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stevewm posted:Wonder if that's why a lot of them are in the trunk now.. The last 3 GM vehicles I've owned, they where all in the trunk.
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The OEM battery in my s2000 made it 12 or 13 years but it also only has 13k miles on it now.
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# ? Feb 25, 2020 20:32 |
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Our Buick Enclave has the battery under the passenger side second row floor. That's not much of a problem (you can still jump it from the engine bay) except now you have to lift a 40lb battery straight up without any leverage. And before you say there are tools for that, I watched my mechanic use one of those tools and curse the whole time. And then there were the headlights that cost about $800 to replace at the dealership ($300 for the HID and $500 in labor to remove the front bumper). Those are BMW prices for a Buick.
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# ? Feb 25, 2020 20:48 |
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I like that the rear battery in my volvo is twice as big as it would be in the engine compartment, and a huge volume is recovered around the engine so working on things is easier.
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# ? Feb 25, 2020 20:49 |
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wolrah posted:The thing about having to code the car specifically for a battery though, that's the part I'd like to hear someone actually justify. Supposedly it's an emissions thing. The car has to know how old the battery is, so it can figure out how many amps to throw at it to keep it charged. More amps thrown means more torque used turning the alternator. More torque means more gas used, etc, so a company trying to reduce emissions as much as possible is going to try getting away with charging it the least it can.
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# ? Feb 25, 2020 23:23 |
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NoWake posted:Supposedly it's an emissions thing. My suspicion is that it's done to keep you going back to the dealer, as is the case with many unique maintenance items that require special tools for absolutely no reason.
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# ? Feb 25, 2020 23:45 |
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When the battery in my 2016 Golf R went out I replaced it with a larger AGM battery. The car originally came with a standard small lead acid in the NA market that went out (decided not to go warranty route because of this) which caused a no crank disco light show in the process. In doing this, I had to go into the ECU and change the type of battery and size so the car's charging regulator knew what to do. Not too big of a deal with VAGCOM, but not something a regular user would want to deal with.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 00:16 |
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Holy crap I'm just going to buy manual econoboxes until I die, I could not deal with all this automotive internet-of-things nonsense. My parents just got a mid-tier Honda Passport and there are all kinds of weird things they did to make it meet government emissions standards. It's got that thing where the engine shuts off if you stop moving for more than 5 seconds, and the gas... port? has this weird rubble membrane thing that you just jam the fuel nozzle through at the pump. They had to include some long funnel thing so you could pour fuel in from any source other than a gas station
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 02:26 |
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Takes No Damage posted:Holy crap I'm just going to buy manual econoboxes until I die, I could not deal with all this automotive internet-of-things nonsense. My parents just got a mid-tier Honda Passport and there are all kinds of weird things they did to make it meet government emissions standards. It's got that thing where the engine shuts off if you stop moving for more than 5 seconds, and the gas... port? has this weird rubble membrane thing that you just jam the fuel nozzle through at the pump. They had to include some long funnel thing so you could pour fuel in from any source other than a gas station
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 02:43 |
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Takes No Damage posted:and the gas... port? has this weird rubble membrane thing that you just jam the fuel nozzle through at the pump. They had to include some long funnel thing so you could pour fuel in from any source other than a gas station Ford has been doing this for a while.. No gas cap, just a spring loaded metal flap. There is a little compartment in the trunk somewhere that usually contains a little long and narrow funnel you can use if you need to fill it up without a gas pump.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 02:43 |
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I haven't driven a Passport lately, but Ford certainly has capless gas systems and auto start-stop down and they seem like really weird things to get mad about. You can usually disable auto start-stop if it's something that really bothers you and you think contributing to global warming a little bit more is better than a car having a couple of extra noises but otherwise behaving in exactly the same way. The fuel system thing - sure, needing a tool for a gas can bites, but how often are you filling up from cans? More pointedly, how often are your elderly parents filling up from anything except a gas station? The convenience of not having the check engine light concern of a fuel cap, not having to remember to put it on, and presumably problem some kind of emissions benefit over thousands of fillups probably outweighs needing a tool twice, ever, in your ownership of the car. The only real argument there that I can see is "what if you don't have the tool", but they're a lot more ubiquitous than you thing - I've seen a bunch in the wild without even realizing what they are, and only connected it when I just looked up a youtube video on whether Fords use it (they do). (I've literally never run out of gas in the 20 years I've been driving so maybe my perspective is off on that one.) stevewm posted:Ford has been doing this for a while.. No gas cap, just a spring loaded metal flap. There is a little compartment in the trunk somewhere that usually contains a little long and narrow funnel you can use if you need to fill it up without a gas pump.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 02:47 |
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Nitrox posted:My suspicion is that it's done to keep you going back to the dealer, as is the case with many unique maintenance items that require special tools for absolutely no reason. There's another BMW model where you have to replace the battery every 2-3 oil changes cause they didn't take into account American driving styles and instead of reprogramming the ECU, which would mean recertification, they just made the cost of the battery part of the warranty.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 04:23 |
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Krakkles posted:I haven't driven a Passport lately, but Ford certainly has capless gas systems and auto start-stop down and they seem like really weird things to get mad about. You can usually disable auto start-stop if it's something that really bothers you and you think contributing to global warming a little bit more is better than a car having a couple of extra noises but otherwise behaving in exactly the same way. The fuel system thing - sure, needing a tool for a gas can bites, but how often are you filling up from cans? More pointedly, how often are your elderly parents filling up from anything except a gas station? The convenience of not having the check engine light concern of a fuel cap, not having to remember to put it on, and presumably problem some kind of emissions benefit over thousands of fillups probably outweighs needing a tool twice, ever, in your ownership of the car. The only real argument there that I can see is "what if you don't have the tool", but they're a lot more ubiquitous than you thing - I've seen a bunch in the wild without even realizing what they are, and only connected it when I just looked up a youtube video on whether Fords use it (they do). All fair points, however capless can have the same exact issues with EVAP leaks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHrKwR1KJgY
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 16:44 |
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Can, but probably an order of magnitude less often than people forget to tighten the cap.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 21:20 |
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IOwnCalculus posted:Can, but probably an order of magnitude less often than people forget to tighten the cap. Oh for sure.
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# ? Feb 26, 2020 22:15 |
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I got a lot of use out of my OBD2 code scanner with my daughter’s first car. Since she got one with a capless cap, not so much. They do look flimsy as hell. I’m sure they’re better, but I’m positive they will not last as long as a traditional screw on gas cap, which is effectively forever.
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# ? Feb 27, 2020 03:40 |
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In the Honda you can disable the auto shutoff thing when you first get in, but you have to remember to do it every time, and you can't do it once you start driving. I'm all for lower emissions, but sack up and build better engines, but don't tack this half-measure hippie bullshit onto existing tech One of the main This Is Not OK things with the auto shutoff seems to be that while the engine is off, everything is running off the battery. When my parents were buying the Passport, the warranty guy at the dealership tried to tell my dad that if they're in heavy traffic in the summertime (in Texas) and they didn't turn the AC off and burned up the battery, that it wouldn't be covered by the warranty. That would have been a dealbreaker for me, but pops thinks he'll be able to win that argument if it ever comes up. Krakkles posted:The fuel system thing - sure, needing a tool for a gas can bites, but how often are you filling up from cans? More pointedly, how often are your elderly parents filling up from anything except a gas station? Putting gas in your car from a can is like using a multi-meter to check voltage. You don't need to do it very often, but when you do, you need to do it real bad
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Takes No Damage posted:One of the main This Is Not OK things with the auto shutoff seems to be that while the engine is off, everything is running off the battery. When my parents were buying the Passport, the warranty guy at the dealership tried to tell my dad that if they're in heavy traffic in the summertime (in Texas) and they didn't turn the AC off and burned up the battery, that it wouldn't be covered by the warranty. That would have been a dealbreaker for me, but pops thinks he'll be able to win that argument if it ever comes up. That's....not really a thing, I believe? In the few cars with auto-shutoff I've driven, certain conditions have to be met before the engine shuts off - i.e. it can't be below freezing, the engine has to be warm, the battery voltage has to be at a certain level, and other things. My Jeep keeps the AC running but if you sit there for more than a couple minutes without the engine going, it will eventually automatically restart. If the AC is set to max, the engine will not shut off at all. TotalLossBrain fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Feb 27, 2020 |
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Takes No Damage posted:
99% certain it has an engine driven compressor. It'll probably kick the engine back on when the evaporator gets warm enough, it can't actually run the AC off the battery.
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# ? Feb 27, 2020 05:13 |
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Huh, that's what I remember, but it was 2nd hand info so maybe something got telephone'd before I heard it. Either way I think just the delay of having the engine start up again before I could drive forward from every stoplight would annoy me forever.
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# ? Feb 27, 2020 05:30 |
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The restart is drat near instant on modern auto stop/start; the ECU knows exactly where the engine stopped, and knows how to fire it back up again quickly. Some don't even need to spin the starter (they fire an injector just before the engine stops, then fire the plug on that cylinder when it needs to start), some use an alternator that doubles as a starter once the engine is warm. Others just have a beefier starter. Either way, it restarts as you release the brake pedal. Annoyingly, the batteries are almost always more expensive. Keeping the AC cranked up will sometimes defeat the stop/start.
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# ? Feb 27, 2020 06:39 |
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Here's the thing, auto stop-start saves emissions and increases your driving range in city driving measurably. The average time you need to be stopped with the engine off to save idling emissions is something like under 6 seconds, you might not think you're stopped for that long very often but you'd be surprised. It's absolutely worth it in 95%+ of the scenarios it activates in.
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Budgie posted:Here's the thing, auto stop-start saves emissions and increases your driving range in city driving measurably. The average time you need to be stopped with the engine off to save idling emissions is something like under 6 seconds, you might not think you're stopped for that long very often but you'd be surprised. It's absolutely worth it in 95%+ of the scenarios it activates in. And in the summer here in Vegas the passengers can easily start to bake in that 90 seconds the AC shuts off at a stop light, which is straight stupid in an expensive Mercedes.
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# ? Feb 28, 2020 00:25 |
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BitBasher posted:And in the summer here in Vegas the passengers can easily start to bake in that 90 seconds the AC shuts off at a stop light, which is straight stupid in an expensive Mercedes. Never made that mistake again. Every time I've been there since has been in the spring or late fall.
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# ? Feb 28, 2020 18:52 |
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AC trickery is annoying, but my main concern would be something like waiting to make an unprotected left turn and having the delay to get rolling cause issues if you're trying to make a tight gap. Sure in a perfect world you wouldn't ever have to cut it that close, but I think some roads and intersections were designed with active malice...
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# ? Feb 28, 2020 19:40 |
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wolrah posted:The first time I ever went to Vegas was in late July IIRC, we pulled in to the parking garage at the Mirage in the rental car with the AC cranked. Literally the moment the car was shut off it felt like the temperature rose by 20 degrees. My cousin got married in Vegas last year in June or July. Based on reports from my parents, it was quite warm. I did not attend.
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# ? Feb 28, 2020 20:21 |
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Takes No Damage posted:AC trickery is annoying, but my main concern would be something like waiting to make an unprotected left turn and having the delay to get rolling cause issues if you're trying to make a tight gap. Sure in a perfect world you wouldn't ever have to cut it that close, but I think some roads and intersections were designed with active malice... It's really not that big of a deal.
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# ? Feb 28, 2020 20:47 |
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Takes No Damage posted:AC trickery is annoying, but my main concern would be something like waiting to make an unprotected left turn and having the delay to get rolling cause issues if you're trying to make a tight gap. Sure in a perfect world you wouldn't ever have to cut it that close, but I think some roads and intersections were designed with active malice... Eh, there is no delay in my Wrangler. My foot isn't even touching the gas pedal yet before the engine is already restarted. (Remember, the restart trigger is letting go of the brake - not pressing on the gas.)
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# ? Feb 28, 2020 20:53 |
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STR posted:The original battery in my first Saturn died right around the 10 year mark, and it was a plain ol' lead acid battery. poo poo, my mazda 2 battery lasted like 7 years (slightly under) under the hood, living in the IE and central california with plenty of 110F days.
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# ? Feb 29, 2020 09:08 |
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All these horror stories and I'm just smiling and happy with my '14 impreza that has none of these features. That said, I did replace the battery last year due to a hard start as I had transitioned from a 40 minute commute to a 5 minute commute. I also had to replace the headlight bulbs several months ago. But both I did easily. A goon in world of tanks made me aware of these issues back in the day. Earlier vw beetle models from the 2000s had a funny story with their headlights. Cost like 1k to change because you needed to yank the motor out to have room to access the units.
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# ? Feb 29, 2020 16:48 |
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JuffoWup posted:A goon in world of tanks made me aware of these issues back in the day. Earlier vw beetle models from the 2000s had a funny story with their headlights. Cost like 1k to change because you needed to yank the motor out to have room to access the units. My wife had a 99 or 00 when she was in college and you could pull the entire assembly out without tools. Throw a locking lever on the back of the headlight assembly and the entire unit slid out the front of the car. Possibly the easiest bulb replacement I've experienced in a modern vehicle and possibly one of the only positives in maintaining that car.
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# ? Feb 29, 2020 19:23 |
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JuffoWup posted:
Umm, nope. You had to pull the headlight out of the bumper, and it's about a 5 minute job to do both. https://youtu.be/ALcVKiHmn9Q
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sharkytm posted:Umm, nope. You had to pull the headlight out of the bumper, and it's about a 5 minute job to do both. Yeah, I had a '99, and it was this easy. What I do remember is that the driver-side assembly was something like twice as expensive as the passenger-side because reasons, and that quantum mechanics dictated that if one was functioning, the other was burnt out. I must have replaced the bulbs every year over 5 years of owning it.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 16:12 |
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I can't find it now, but there was a car column where the author was agonizing over buying a cheap used Audi A4 wagon manual transmission. I could be getting the exact issue wrong, but I think this model Audi had a plastic timing belt tensioner that was guaranteed to fail and was buried so deep into the engine that the whole thing had to be removed to get to it. Car engineers can be real assholes.
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Krispy Wafer posted:I can't find it now, but there was a car column where the author was agonizing over buying a cheap used Audi A4 wagon manual transmission. I could be getting the exact issue wrong, but I think this model Audi had a plastic timing belt tensioner that was guaranteed to fail and was buried so deep into the engine that the whole thing had to be removed to get to it. IIRC you're thinking of the 4.2L V8, which for whatever fucktarded reason has the timing chains on the back instead of the front, meaning that servicing them is an engine-out job, and of course in true German fashion they used plastic that disintegrates over time for the chain guides.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 19:48 |
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I think you’re thinking of this article. Station wagons are rad, and it’s a shame they don’t seem to make sporty versions for less than 100k. Audi is at least releasing the RS6 Avant in the US but not the RS4, for some reason, or sedan only for the RS3.
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Yes, that's the article. For some reason I remembered the repair being less than $8k. Like maybe a reasonable $2k. But no, it's $8k. What a miserable vehicle.
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Toe Rag posted:I think you’re thinking of this article. Station wagons are rad, and it’s a shame they don’t seem to make sporty versions for less than 100k. Audi is at least releasing the RS6 Avant in the US but not the RS4, for some reason, or sedan only for the RS3. There's always the V60 polestar. If you can find one. There aren't really any cheap non-performance wagons either. I feel like they only sell to people rich enough to not care that people are judging them for driving a wagon.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 22:56 |
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Has anyone bought their cam from elsewhere and had Best Buy install it? I'm not mechanically inclined and really don't want to install a dashcam myself, but I don't know where else to take my car. I'm in Las Vegas and there's some not very user friendly websites that say to order a certain $$$ cam off Amazon and then they install it, but I just want to see demos of different cams, pick a decent one and have it installed. I found a model that looked good, emailed the link to a local place about installing it and they gave me that "Well..I guess so, but it's not as good as this $400 one we recommend". I figured giving money to someone for a service would be easier than this. /rant.
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nm posted:There's always the V60 polestar. If you can find one. Buick Regal TourX starts just under $30k. Nice car for an Opel.
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