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Seams posted:When people say such-and-such is a mark for them self, doesn’t that just mean they know their own value as a performer? There's obviously a lot of narcissists in wrestling, but the whole "mark for himself" thing has always been anti-labor messaging weaponized to turn fans and co-workers against a wrestler trying to get what he feels he's worth. We've seen it as recently as the Elite, who felt they were lowballed by NJPW and turned around and formed their own promotion, got labeled marks for themselves and just a T-shirt company, and are now making a handsome living killing NXT in the ratings every week.
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I kinda looked at it from a carny perspective as in don't let anyone know the business is fake/rigged, even when you're retired you keep playing the act.
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Feb 29, 2020 04:03
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Cavauro posted:does anyone remember that weird match wwf had in the dungeon and it was a 6x6 room made out of cardboard with exactly one of this on the floor Yeah Owen vs Shamrock and refereed by Dan Severn. It was good from what I remember.
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Feb 29, 2020 04:15
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i meant to say particle board instead of cardboard. Thank you
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Feb 29, 2020 04:33
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Kevin Nash is an example of knowing your own worth. Hulk Hogan is a mark for himself. The Elite are examples of guys who know their own worth. Enzo is an example of a mark for himself. Its fine to "know your own worth" if your evaluation is somewhere within the ballpark of reality. Its even ok to play hardball and fight for what's best for you and yours even if it burns some bridges. But like, if you think you're worth more than you are and if you just step on people to get ahead then that's different. There's a line somewhere and you probably know it when you see it. Bret always struck me more of the former. He was very good and very popular and he knew he was worth more than what WWF was giving him. And for that they screwed him over and then wrote him as a petulant diva. HBK and Vince were probably more of the latter. They thought they were better and that they could gently caress around with Bret and his people and blame them for it. But like... he still kinda seemed like a jerk with a weird piss fetish.
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Feb 29, 2020 04:44
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I'm struggling to think of wrestlers I've watched who aren't horrible jerks in one way or another.
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Feb 29, 2020 04:56
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If Bret didn't actually think he was the best he never would have become a top guy. How good he was and the way he carried himself is what made him a star.
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Whenever I think of Bret being "a mark for himself" I think less of it being a money/value as a performer thing and of more along the lines of how he takes everything so deadly serious and seemingly has no sense of humor about anything. And like, fair enough, dude's had a hard life, but at some point you gotta lighten up a bit. He comes across as completely joyless even in the early 90s.
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Feb 29, 2020 05:01
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Bret and Shawn also had to be advocates for themselves at a time when a lot of the management was even more obsessed with size than they are now.
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Feb 29, 2020 05:02
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TriffTshngo posted:Whenever I think of Bret being "a mark for himself" I think less of it being a money/value as a performer thing and of more along the lines of how he takes everything so deadly serious and seemingly has no sense of humor about anything. And like, fair enough, dude's had a hard life, but at some point you gotta lighten up a bit. He comes across as completely joyless even in the early 90s. But like "being kind of a depressed guy" only becomes "being a mark for yourself" in the weird rear end world of wrestling and "carnie speak." I mean, you could tell your random buddy to "get over himself" if he was depressed about the bad poo poo that happened to him. But then you might be a jerk.
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Feb 29, 2020 05:04
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STAC Goat posted:That's probably like asking where the line is between confidence and arrogance. You obviously CAN just think you're better than you are and be a selfish deluded rear end in a top hat. People are everywhere. That's easy. It's not confidence, it's all ego.
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Feb 29, 2020 05:09
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Cavauro posted:does anyone remember that weird match wwf had in the dungeon and it was a 6x6 room made out of cardboard with exactly one of this on the floor Ah, the precursor to Gatoh Move, Vince ahead of the times once again.
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What are some examples of a later naming of a move becoming the genericized name? The only ones that come to mind immediately are the Belly-to-Belly Piledriver becoming the Tombstone and Kudome Valentine becoming the Vertebreaker. I guess also Yoshi Tonic/Code Red but that just seems to be a regional difference.
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Feb 29, 2020 14:06
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a lot of people refer to the Asai moonsault/quebadra as a Lionsault also uranage/Rock Bottom
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The ones that sprung to mind are Cutters and Stunners.
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Feb 29, 2020 14:26
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Ace crusher became a cutter I dont know when it took off but poisonrana is now more common than reverse/inverted hurricanrana And hurricanrana referring to all headscissors is one itself as hurricanrana used to mean a rana into the pin. A release was the frankensteiner. Sharpshooter took over scorpion hold. All argentine backbreakers being called The Rack because of Lex Luger.
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The Spear, which is really just a football tackle The Stunner. Variations of it were just called jawbreakers or ace crushers before that.
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Feb 29, 2020 14:32
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Belly-to-Back Suplex becoming the German Suplex
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Lid posted:All argentine backbreakers being called The Rack because of Lex Luger. This isn't true. Davros1 posted:Belly-to-Back Suplex becoming the German Suplex Nor is this. German Suplex is a variety of belly-to-back suplex but there is a difference. I went on Youtube to find an example of the two and the first video was Kurt Angle doing an overhead belly-to-belly suplex and people insisting that it was a belly-to-back & now I'm really mad. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Feb 29, 2020 |
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Feb 29, 2020 15:48
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Why is a Northern Lights Suplex called such?
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Why is a Northern Lights Suplex called such? Aurora Borealis. More specifically, Hase named it when he was wrestling in Canada
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Feb 29, 2020 16:21
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Black Gordman was doing the DDT by the late 60s, calling it the Diamond Twist.
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Why is a Northern Lights Suplex called such? Used to be Skinner’s finisher
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TriffTshngo posted:Whenever I think of Bret being "a mark for himself" I think less of it being a money/value as a performer thing and of more along the lines of how he takes everything so deadly serious and seemingly has no sense of humor about anything. And like, fair enough, dude's had a hard life, but at some point you gotta lighten up a bit. He comes across as completely joyless even in the early 90s. Part of it is that he played that character, so he was never really happy-go-lucky or anything. But his heyday was also in an era where you really needed to play the backstage politics game to get ahead, and he pretty much lost that fight anytime it happened. Vince would push him to the top, but then almost immediately pushed him aside for Hogan or Michaels and Nash. Then he gets screwed, goes to WCW, and is mostly wasted because of...Hogan and Nash. I'd probably be pretty miserable after all that, and it's not even mentioning all the other things he's gone through 
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This isn't a question exactly, but I'll make it one, but I think about thisGyro Zeppeli posted:I have no doubt that Ambrose could sell for a hologram. post from 2013 regularly. How did he get a job at WWE? Gambit from the X-Men fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Feb 29, 2020 |
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jesus WEP posted:Used to be Skinner’s finisher May I see it?
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Shine posted:May I see it?
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Billy Gunn’s famasser gets called with the same name when other people do it. Was the move originally called the Famouser and got an rear end Pun attached? Did someone else name it?
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keithy george posted:Billy Gunn’s famasser gets called with the same name when other people do it. Was the move originally called the Famouser and got an rear end Pun attached? Did someone else name it? It's a rocker dropper, Marty and Shawn both used to do it
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Gambit from the X-Men posted:This isn't a question exactly, but I'll make it one, but I think about this are you talking about jon moxley? his episode on this https://www.radio.com/media/podcast/aew-unrestricted is a super good and recent explanation of everything career-wise, pre-wwe and how he got into it. basically getting called by gabe one day set him on the path to getting real hot on the indy scene. gabe the fucker idiot.
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STAC Goat posted:I have a truly random wrestling question that just came to mind as I was trying to fall asleep. i wish i could find the posts from around that time where we were blessed with "tommy dreamer doing all of these jobs is tarnishing the legacy that ECW left behind"
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Cavauro posted:are you talking about jon moxley? his episode on this https://www.radio.com/media/podcast/aew-unrestricted is a super good and recent explanation of everything career-wise, pre-wwe and how he got into it. basically getting called by gabe one day set him on the path to getting real hot on the indy scene. gabe the fucker idiot. No the guy who figured Mox could sell for a hologram several months before it happened I am honored to receive a Cavauro response
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Feb 29, 2020 22:24
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I thought you were talking about Jon Moxley
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It's okay, you work hard and play harder
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SG Bamboo posted:What are some examples of a later naming of a move becoming the genericized name? The only ones that come to mind immediately are the Belly-to-Belly Piledriver becoming the Tombstone and Kudome Valentine becoming the Vertebreaker. I guess also Yoshi Tonic/Code Red but that just seems to be a regional difference.
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davidbix posted:The tombstone name predates The Undertaker by decades. It became his finisher because it was already named that. From my brief research it seemed like Jack Pallo called it the Belly-to-Belly when he used it in the 60's before it was called the Tombstone by the WOS guys in the 80's, but I'll defer to your knowledge on the subject
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sling blade's another one but i'm not completely sure that the name doesn't predate tana edit i guess canadian destroyer may not count as i missed the "later renaming part" Thauros fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Mar 1, 2020 |
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SG Bamboo posted:From my brief research it seemed like Jack Pallo called it the Belly-to-Belly when he used it in the 60's before it was called the Tombstone by the WOS guys in the 80's, but I'll defer to your knowledge on the subject I think Andre used it when he still had knees and they called it that?
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Two questions about COLT CABANA 1) Did he start the wrestling podcast boom? 2) Did he start Pro Wrestling Tees? jesus WEP posted:Used to be Skinner’s finisher A Northern Lights suplex? At this point in the match, at this point on the card, localized ENTIRELY within the center of the ring? ... May I kick out of it?
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