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ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?
Eager for the mods to pop in and comment on a million reports coming up again

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motedek
Oct 9, 2012
Not really that bad, probability is hard

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

TacoNight posted:

No need to act smug
need I remind you what thread you are in

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!
I prefer to play a round of the Monty Hall problem with my opponent as the host to determine who goes first.

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

Pistols at dawn to determine first.

PleasantDirge
Sep 7, 2009
ASK ME ABOUT HOW NOT BEING A FUCKING ASSHOLE ON THE ROAD IS JUST LIKE BEING A JEW AT A NAZI GATHERING BECAUSE I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO NOT BE A FUCKING ASSHOLE AND WHEN PEOPLE TREAT ME LIKE I'M A FUCKING ASSHOLE THAT IS JUST LIKE GENOCIDE

Count Bleck posted:

Pistols at dawn to determine first.

Pugil sticks plz&Ty

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
The match slip should assign first player and it's incredibly loving stupid that in TYOOL 2020 that it does not.

kalvanoo
Apr 29, 2018

look at this lil perv
i use 3 dice and always choose odd

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006

"Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.


kalvanoo posted:

i use 3 dice and always choose odd

How does it feel. To be a cheater.

kalvanoo
Apr 29, 2018

look at this lil perv

suicidesteve posted:

How does it feel. To be a cheater.

an_mutt
Sep 29, 2010

I was,
I am,
and I remain a soldier!

Sworn to dedicate my heart and soul to the restoration of human kind!

I want to die now :negative:

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
but how many die

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

motedek posted:

Not really that bad, probability is hard

found the arts major

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006

"Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.


flatluigi posted:

but how many die

An odd number so it's fair.

an_mutt posted:

I want to die now :negative:

Everyone says dumb things. Except for me. The important thing is to learn from your mistakes. Again, except for me.

I played against a guy who absolutely refused even/odd with 2 dice because even is more common. I went through the whole "it's not and here's why" explanation, demonstrated with dice, and he still made me high roll. We tied obviously.

drainpipe
May 17, 2004

AAHHHHHHH!!!!
I know we should put this to bed, but I just can't resist.

There's another reason why even/odd is better. It'll still give you 50/50 odds as long as just one of the dice is fair. So as long as you bring a fair dice, you don't have to worry about your opponent bringing a loaded one.

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream
I have strong opinions about the 30 second period before playing magic,

drainpipe
May 17, 2004

AAHHHHHHH!!!!
I mean, I don't have to worry about that since Arena just chooses for me.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

drainpipe posted:

I mean, I don't have to worry about that since Arena just chooses for me.

it doesn't let the "winner" choose, right? it's automatic

Papa Was A Video Toaster
Jan 9, 2011





Rinkles posted:

it doesn't let the "winner" choose, right? it's automatic

I think in Bo1 it automatically gives you the play and Bo3 you can choose to draw. Don't quote me.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



TacoNight posted:

Oh, be nice people. It’s an easy mistake to make if you don’t view the problem correctly (looking at last die or listing all possibilities). Just give an explanation to the person who needs it. No need to act smug

It's Sickening.

Mezzanon
Sep 16, 2003

Pillbug

motedek posted:

Not really that bad, probability is hard

I definitely hosed this up the first time it came up, but now I understand it even though I went to school for fukkkin English and broadcast journalism.

In magic notes I’m gonna test a weird version of bant spirits over the next few weeks because I hate aether vial.



Creature (30)
4 Drogskol Captain
4 Mausoleum Wanderer
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Phantasmal Image
2 Rattlechains
2 Deputy of Detention
2 Selfless Spirit
4 Spell Queller
4 Supreme Phantom
3 unsettled mariner

Instant (10)
4 Collected Company
2 Path to Exile
4 Once Upon a Time

Land (20)
2 Botanical Sanctum
1 Breeding Pool
1 Cavern of Souls
2 Flooded Strand
1 Forest
2 Hallowed Fountain
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Island
3 Misty Rainforest
1 Moorland Haunt
1 Plains
1 Temple Garden
2 Windswept Heath
1 Waterlogged Grove
60 Cards

Sideboard (15)
2 Geist of Saint Traft
2 Knight of Autumn
2 Rest in Peace
1 Kataki, wars wage
1 stony silence
1 Settle The Wreckage
2 Damping Sphere
2 Eidolon of Rhetoric
1 Worship
1 Aven mindcensor


lmao at posting a decklist in the regular thread but hopefully that weird guy who flips out about bant spirits sees it!

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat
I mean I can see being confused by even/odd if you're thinking about high roll where the specific value of each die matters. I try to tell people it's more like flipping two coins, where each coin only has two sides and you care about whether they came up the same side or different sides.

Mezzanon posted:

lmao at posting a decklist in the regular thread but hopefully that weird guy who flips out about bant spirits sees it!

Tubgoat hasn't posted here in a while, you're safe now.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

TVsVeryOwn posted:

I think in Bo1 it automatically gives you the play and Bo3 you can choose to draw. Don't quote me.

Bo3 lets you choose to draw yes

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010

drainpipe posted:

I know we should put this to bed, but I just can't resist.

There's another reason why even/odd is better. It'll still give you 50/50 odds as long as just one of the dice is fair. So as long as you bring a fair dice, you don't have to worry about your opponent bringing a loaded one.

but what if you both bring loaded die!!

Mouth Ze Dong
Jan 2, 2005

Aint no thing like me, 'cept me.
I never worked it out past

Odd + odd = even

Even + even = even

Therefore 2 dice made it probably not 50/50 than just a provably 50/50 roll of a single die, and theres no need to think about it any further.


Then my brain exploded 20 posts ago with the results table.

Does 3 dice still keep it 50/50?

PJOmega
May 5, 2009

StrugglingHoneybun posted:

I never worked it out past

Odd + odd = even

Even + even = even

Therefore 2 dice made it probably not 50/50 than just a provably 50/50 roll of a single die, and theres no need to think about it any further.


Then my brain exploded 20 posts ago with the results table.

Does 3 dice still keep it 50/50?

If 1 die has 50/50 chance of odd/ecen, and 2 dice has 50/50 chance, look in your heart and think what 3 dice has.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

StrugglingHoneybun posted:

I never worked it out past

Odd + odd = even

Even + even = even

Therefore 2 dice made it probably not 50/50 than just a provably 50/50 roll of a single die, and theres no need to think about it any further.


Then my brain exploded 20 posts ago with the results table.

Does 3 dice still keep it 50/50?

What you’re missing is even + odd = odd and odd + even = odd

Even/odd and odd/even are two different results but people occasionally get tripped up by that and think it’s one.

Katana Gomai
Jan 14, 2007

"Thus," concluded Miyamoto, "you must give up everything you have to be my disciple."

StrugglingHoneybun posted:

I never worked it out past

Odd + odd = even

Even + even = even

Therefore 2 dice made it probably not 50/50 than just a provably 50/50 roll of a single die, and theres no need to think about it any further.


Then my brain exploded 20 posts ago with the results table.

Does 3 dice still keep it 50/50?

It's 50/50 no matter how many dice you roll.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

StrugglingHoneybun posted:

I never worked it out past

Odd + odd = even

Even + even = even

Therefore 2 dice made it probably not 50/50 than just a provably 50/50 roll of a single die, and theres no need to think about it any further.


Then my brain exploded 20 posts ago with the results table.

Does 3 dice still keep it 50/50?

Any number of dice is 50/50.

Imagine you rolled all the dice except for one, then you rolled the last one separately.

If the sum of every other dice was odd:
- there's a 50% chance of the last die being odd, making the total even
- there's a 50% chance of the last die being even, making the total odd

If the sum of every other dice was even:
- there's a 50% chance of the last die being odd, making the total odd
- there's a 50% chance of the last die being even, making the total even

As long as there's at least one die in the mix that's 50/50 even/odd, the overall sum will also be 50/50 even/odd.

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006

"Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.


Katana Gomai posted:

It's 50/50 no matter how many dice you roll.

As long as one has an even number of sides.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
It's also just loving simpler to just roll a single die for odd or even rather than explain that with two d6 it's the same odds.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
If your opponent is convinced that even is more likely, just let them call even.

mossyfisk
Nov 8, 2010

FF0000

drainpipe posted:

I know we should put this to bed, but I just can't resist.

There's another reason why even/odd is better. It'll still give you 50/50 odds as long as just one of the dice is fair. So as long as you bring a fair dice, you don't have to worry about your opponent bringing a loaded one.

Even with a single loaded die it's still 50/50, you don't need a second one.

Are we imagining that you swap the die out depending on what the opponent picks or something?

freeman
Aug 14, 2018
I just do high roll out of habit. I might lose 20 seconds in a tournament due to my poor time management but oh well, rolling dice rules.

The Klowner
Apr 20, 2019

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Flip a coin!!!

wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!

Star Man posted:

It's also just loving simpler to just roll a single die for odd or even rather than explain that with two d6 it's the same odds.

If you are rolling for odd/even why is rolling two dice even a consideration? What does it add?

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

wizzardstaff posted:

If you are rolling for odd/even why is rolling two dice even a consideration? What does it add?

You get to pretend you're so smart for explaining how actually any number of six-sided dice has the same odds of rolling odd or even as just one die does. I'm a mouth-breathing English major and I understand how it works (because I asked how and had it explained to me). It's just easier to do odd or even with a single die and everyone understands it without an explanation.

Squinky v2.0
Nov 16, 2006

Behind you! A three headed monkey!

College Slice
Cut decks and whoever has the lower mana cost goes first, it’s the only fair system

e: this works as long as one of the decks has an even number of cards

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat

wizzardstaff posted:

If you are rolling for odd/even why is rolling two dice even a consideration? What does it add?

More difficult to fudge the roll on two dice simultaneously than on just one.

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Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

If each player rolls one dice then there's no possible way for either player to cheat even if they can perfectly decide the outcome of their own roll.

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