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Next season, the master shows up with a new face and propeller beanie and genocides the Silurians. The Doctor makes a cross face.
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Thinking more about it, I still hate Clara is the most important person in the Doctors life more.
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Mar 2, 2020 22:32
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I saved a few Time Lord bodies for later and I've since turned them all into weeping angels
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Mar 2, 2020 22:32
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Khanstant posted:I had no idea Whofans hated her You know what Doctor Who fans all agree on as a collective whole? Nothing. Not a goddamn thing. Ever. They never have and never will. You're a Doctor Who fan and you liked Clara. I'm a Doctor Who fan and I liked Clara. Other Doctor Who fans didn't like her, others didn't care, and some people hated her with the burning passion of a 1000 suns. Don't search for a collective, authoritative take on anything related to Who because it doesn't exist.
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Mar 2, 2020 22:34
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But that rhino thing is loving stupid. We all agree.
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Mar 2, 2020 22:41
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Andrew_1985 posted:Cripes, what a train wreck. Totally burned up any goodwill they made this season. The last one is the only one that really bothers me, but it bothers me a lot and I am angry about Doctor Who online.
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Mar 2, 2020 22:52
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So was that Shada she was deposited it at the end?
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Mar 2, 2020 22:55
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Davros1 posted:So was that Shada she was deposited it at the end? When the walls fell
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Mar 2, 2020 23:03
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People actually dislike this incarnation of The Master? He's goddamn brilliant.
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Mar 2, 2020 23:08
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not so much hate as he is seriously trying too hard. He really reminds me of ihawk from futurama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdhveixpV24 Horrifically Zany one moment, sad and full of dispare the next. I feel this need to politely tell him to get back on his meds.
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Mar 2, 2020 23:27
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Mameluke posted:So that old woman Rassilon had captive in the End Of Time, she did a lot of medical experiments on the Doctor? this did not get the love it deserved
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Mar 2, 2020 23:28
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AndyElusive posted:People actually dislike this incarnation of The Master? He's goddamn brilliant. I think he's great, he's the best kind of villain: the one that laughs uncontrollably at his own jokes that absolutely nobody else finds funny. 
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Mar 2, 2020 23:38
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I dislike him for the same reason I dislike Jodie's Doctor and the era in general, which is that they all seem to be written and performed on autopilot.
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Mar 2, 2020 23:50
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Alternate take on "The Timeless Child": The Child is actually a future incarnation of The Doctor in a far far future. The Time Lords who create The Matrix see this outcome for The Doctor and consider a much better origin than whatever they might have and tell everyone that that's their origin and leave out how it's actually the Future and the Doctor. Corruption from repeated tampering damaged its record of the Doctor's timeline to the point that, when the Master accesses it, it basically tells part of The Doctor's history in reverse. At some point in the future The Doctor becomes part of The Division, the memories she has are psychic projections backwards. Later from that at some unspecified time, they'll have regenerated into a child and land in some alternate universe to be experimented upon a give the ability of Regeneration to some other species. https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Matrix Just looking here, there seems to be a number of outs that could be concocted quote:The amount of knowledge in the Matrix, though vast, was not complete, and could be tampered with, given access. The unauthorised extraction of a Time Lord's bio-data from the Matrix was an offence tantamount to treason. (TV: Arc of Infinity) So it's also possible the Timeless Child being the Doctor is because a large chunk of its past history was altered as such by a third party or it used its functions meant to predict the future to try and fill in missing gaps of past history. As it stands, it's dumb, but given the less than ironclad nature of Who canon, there's enough holes to make a more reasonable explanation out of it.
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Mar 3, 2020 00:11
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I really like the new Master. Despite my problems with the timeless child poo poo, his performance and characterisation are extremely good. Edit- yeah, the Master himself has a history of loving with The Matrix, in Deadly Assassin. Lots of room for an out. Like bringing back Omega. marktheando fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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Mar 3, 2020 00:14
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Jerusalem posted:You know what Doctor Who fans all agree on as a collective whole? Doctor Who ran off the rails when it stopped being a police procedural and started following some weirdo in a box. 
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Mar 3, 2020 00:25
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you did it you went full lungbarrow you magnificent bastards, you blew it all up
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Mar 3, 2020 01:21
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I didn't know that adult time lords regenerated into children
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Mar 3, 2020 01:25
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I smell a predestination paradox coming in later seasons! e: well I hated this and it's the first thing I've legitimately hated about Doctor Who. 12 regenerations and 50 years before it happened isn't too bad 
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Mar 3, 2020 01:26
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AndyElusive posted:People actually dislike this incarnation of The Master? He's goddamn brilliant.  He's the best part of this season.Another reason he's so good? He's even more pissed off about this fanwank reveal than we are, so pissed he genocided all the Time Lords!  Count me in as another who hated this. It's unnecessary. Even as a fan of the Cartmel Masterplan and LOOMS and the Virgin backstory of Gallifrey and Rassilon and the Pythia and all that, this is poo poo. Like as the Master was dragging out the reveal, I have to give it to Chibnall, I was on the edge of my seat. I wanted this secret knowledge, even as I knew it was bound to disappoint. And it did. The Doctor's "mother" should have been Rassilon. Leaving him out makes no sense. Now if Rassilon was a semi-mythic figure who just was namedropped all the time and showed up for 30 seconds in The Five Doctors, erasing him from mattering to the lore would work. But we saw him, multiple times recently. So he's a real dude who was a Founder of the Time Lords and was resurrected by his people to lead the Time War and hosed off after the Doctor kicked him out...but he doesn't even rate a mention in the infodump? Also LOL Morbius Doctors are canon now I can't even. Props to whoever said a couple pages back that Chibnall probably wrote this entire poo poo based on trying to retcon that one 2 second sequence from 40 years ago. Remember when people would bitch about Moffat being a canon nerd? He got nothin' on Chibs. But I disagree with people who say you shouldn't hand a show to the fans. Our track record here is 1 out of 3 sucked. RTD was pretty good and Moffat had bad moments but when he was on he was loving on. Usually it was his canon nerdery like around the 50th where he shone, and his batshit stupid stuff was his own invention, like "The Wedding of River Song."
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Mar 3, 2020 01:30
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Xelkelvos posted:Alternate take on "The Timeless Child": The Child is actually a future incarnation of The Doctor in a far far future. Sooooo... All You Zombies?
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Mar 3, 2020 01:32
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My only gripe is that it's still difficult to parse where in the Doctors timeline Ruth comes from. If she's a Division Doctor then how and why is her TARDIS also stuck as a police box? If she's a version who takes place after her time (heh) with the Division then why doesn't 13 remember her? I was hoping this finale would at least give some answers that made sense, but I'm not annoyed or anything. I assume it'll be an arc they drag out for most of 13's run.
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Mar 3, 2020 02:19
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The Master wiped out Gallifrey because he hated the twist too
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Mar 3, 2020 03:29
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Stunt Rock posted:The Master wiped out Gallifrey because he hated the twist too And then allied with the Cybermen because he might as well have SOMETHING fun going on in the meantime. I've cooled on The Twist overnight--I still generally approve of it from a 'don't hold back, crazy is better than boring' way, but I think the main problem is that the twist doesn't actually DO anything to justify itself, at least not yet. I'm guessing we'll be seeing more connecting to it, though, for better or worse. But I am disappointed that the Time Lord Cybermen are getting overshadowed, because that's exactly the right formula of 'crazy idea that actually means interesting things'. They just deserved to be a standalone A-plot rather than the B-plot.
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Mar 3, 2020 03:37
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I saw a screenshot of the Time Lord Cybermen and it looked delicious. Reason 2 to check this episode out. Presumably future series will explore where the Doctor actually came from, right?
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Mar 3, 2020 03:41
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That last scene between the master and the doctor. I just wanted the doctor to persuade the cyberium (or whatever wank it was) to leave the master and go back into her. “Sorry mate (master), I wasn’t negotiating with you”. Boom episode fixed. The crappy time child poo poo can be retconned out later. It seems much more satisfying if the timeless child was a random immortal, they even laid the scenes to that in an earlier episode, or even the master I guess. I guess I’m like everybody else , the doctor is special because of the adventures we’ve seen. Adding some born into it specialness that doesn’t matter is just poo poo.
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Mar 3, 2020 05:49
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Jerusalem posted:You know what Doctor Who fans all agree on as a collective whole? We all agree on this episode, apparently!
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Mar 3, 2020 06:12
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fractalairduct posted:We all agree on this episode, apparently! There have been at least some posters who said they liked it just fine and even liked the Timeless Child claim (a claim backed up by nothing that came from an unreliable sociopathic mass-murdering monster with a history of bullshit). There is no such thing as consensus among Doctor Who fans, some people liked Adric! ADRIC!
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Mar 3, 2020 06:59
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Previous versions of the Doctor Who thread said in the OP that the first rule of Doctor Who fandom is that there's absolutely nothing all fans can agree on. I'm sad that's not in the OP anymore, it was always a good reminder for me.
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Mar 3, 2020 07:55
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Eh I m over doctor who. Or should I say this series. I like the Audio dramas just fine. I didnt like when the doctor became his own legend and the saving all of creation over and over again. I was disapointed with capaldi, I was later told that its less his fault and more they had a bunch of matt smith scripts they reused which explains the tonal whiplash.
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Mar 3, 2020 07:57
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AndyElusive posted:My only gripe is that it's still difficult to parse where in the Doctors timeline Ruth comes from. The best part is how the Timeless Child presumably didn't have regeneration limits since they were artificially added later but eleven was clearly on his last legs and dying of old age until Gallefrey stepped in and I just hate all of this so very much. Is it really so bad that a regular dude/gal from his/her planet with an extraordinary sense of compassion has accomplished incredible things? Must she be some goddess among time lords to justify having a 50 year show about him? I'm really hoping this is something like classic who where we politely never discuss it again and chalk it up to the Master's usual bullshit until 20 years later it gets brought up as a self aware running joke in the series.
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Mar 3, 2020 08:43
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Carbon dioxide posted:
I disagree!
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Mar 3, 2020 08:44
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Chokes McGee posted:Is it really so bad that a regular dude/gal from his/her planet with an extraordinary sense of compassion has accomplished incredible things? Also, and I cannot stress this enough, that extraordinary sense of compassion was born out of exposure to humans softening his initial grumpy, "My Granddaughter and I first, everybody else a distant second" approach to everything. He went from arrogant and high-handed (and willing to smash in the head of an injured man slowing them all down) to a charming old softy who followed in the lead that Ian and Barbara set for him of helping people in need and stopping assholes from taking advantage/hurting others, and that only grew with each new regeneration along the same vein of,"Let's all be friends and have fun and put a stop to anybody being a total dick". I mentioned it before, but I'm certain this is all going to end up being a misdirection, and I'm not even against the idea of the show doing that type of thing, but not when there is a year or possibly more between episodes. I really don't want this bullshit hanging over the show this long before I can figure out if it is something stupid to be ignored or just the first part of a longer story that will ultimately show it to be the Master just making up bullshit to be an rear end in a top hat.
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Mar 3, 2020 09:24
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Jerusalem posted:You know what Doctor Who fans all agree on as a collective whole? Counter Point Love and Monsters. Everyone hates that. I hope so at least
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Mar 3, 2020 11:19
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There have been so many people defend that episode over the years, it's like the perfect example of how there is no consensus view on Doctor Who!
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Mar 3, 2020 11:29
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Love and Monsters is bad, but it's entertainingly bad. Technically, yeah, it's probably one of the worst episodes of modern Who and the worst episode of its season. In practice, there's stuff that's like more competent but actively worse because it just does nothing or has worse characters or what have you. Like, even in season 2 alone, I would not call Love and Monsters worse than the 45 minute long waste of everyone's time that was Fear Her.
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Mar 3, 2020 11:33
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To be fair, the 10/Rose smugfest made a lot of episodes unbearable.
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Mar 3, 2020 11:34
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I thought Love and Monsters was quite good apart from the terrible sex gag at the end.
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Mar 3, 2020 11:44
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Jerusalem posted:There have been so many people defend that episode over the years, it's like the perfect example of how there is no consensus view on Doctor Who! I don't want to live on this planet anymore
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"Love and Monsters" owns. ELO owns.
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