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177 | 47.20% |
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OwlFancier posted:Making other people take their shoes off is odd (though it is polite, I think, to do so if you're stopping) but taking your own shoes off when you come in is definitely the done thing. Oh I agree with this, though because shoelessness is more comfy*, not because it is the approved behaviour. I was assuming the green countries were where visitors have to unshoe. *On carpets. Wearing only socks on lino was a health hazard. E: eleven is the coolest sounding number Oh dear me fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Cool, playing up to that “England are all loving zombies” in a thread full of English socialists, very cool, extremely normal. England are not all loving Zombies, but a majority aren't socialists and aren't going to be on-board with your ideology anytime soon and no amount of insulting me is going to change that fact, so go ahead and keep advocating for Wales, Northern Ireland, Northern England and Scotland to stay in a toxic relationship I'm sure the decades of uninterrupted neoliberalism and rapacious corporatism will end anytime soon if we just keep fording ahead with the status quo, which is clearly working so well for all of us, the english included, who are bearing the brunt of it.
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You'd think dunking on the telegraph would be low hanging fruit but leave it to lib in chief jobby o briain to completely gently caress it lol https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1234603452187205633?s=19 E: Ash Crimson posted:England are not all loving Zombies, but a majority aren't socialists and aren't going to be on-board with your ideology anytime soon and no amount of insulting me is going to change that fact, so go ahead and keep advocating for Wales, Northern Ireland, Northern England and Scotland to stay in a toxic relationship I'm sure the decades of uninterrupted neoliberalism and rapacious corporatism will end anytime soon if we just keep fording ahead with the status quo, which is clearly working so well for all of us, the english included, who are bearing the brunt of it. With the precedent Ireland set I'm sure this will go fully according to plan
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Ash Crimson posted:England are not all loving Zombies, but a majority aren't socialists and aren't going to be on-board with your ideology anytime soon and no amount of insulting me is going to change that fact, so go ahead and keep advocating for Wales, Northern Ireland, Northern England and Scotland to stay in a toxic relationship I'm sure the decades of uninterrupted neoliberalism and rapacious corporatism will end anytime soon if we just keep fording ahead with the status quo, which is clearly working so well for all of us, the english included, who are bearing the brunt of it. *Peepin that strong record of socialist governments in holyrood and then looking south and scoffing at repeated neoliberalisms* 
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Mar 3, 2020 14:48
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Sanitary Naptime posted:*Peepin that strong record of socialist governments in holyrood and then looking south and scoffing at repeated neoliberalisms* Who's being a defeatist now? Do you seriously believe this poo poo that we can make any sort of noticeable change by clinging together in an unequal union, compared to actually splitting from it? ThomasPaine posted:With the precedent Ireland set I'm sure this will go fully according to plan Aren't Sinn Fein almost in power there? We couldn't even get a genial socialist in power over here
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Mar 3, 2020 14:50
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Oh dear me posted:Oh I agree with this, though because shoelessness is more comfy*, not because it is the approved behaviour. I was assuming the green countries were where visitors have to unshoe. I don't know what's going on in Malaysia.
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Mar 3, 2020 14:52
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Ash Crimson posted:Who's being a defeatist now? Not recognising the borders on the Isle of Great Britain as anything other than anachronistic yet useful ways to divide out sections of the working class and pit them against each other helps me to think we’re better off without the borders actually, and any real change will only come when we’re in a position to erode them to complete irrelevance. You’re being defeatist for shying away from the goal of no borders, comrade.
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Mar 3, 2020 14:53
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Ash Crimson posted:England are not all loving Zombies, but a majority aren't socialists and aren't going to be on-board with your ideology anytime soon and no amount of insulting me is going to change that fact, so go ahead and keep advocating for Wales, Northern Ireland, Northern England and Scotland to stay in a toxic relationship I'm sure the decades of uninterrupted neoliberalism and rapacious corporatism will end anytime soon if we just keep fording ahead with the status quo, which is clearly working so well for all of us, the english included, who are bearing the brunt of it. Ah yes Scotland, the country pulling so hard to break away from the union that it's only natural that the release and recoil will send it hurtling into full left socialism and not at all just into a smaller capitalist shitbin and the arms of every other neoliberal vulture waiting to make bank off permanent austerity.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Not recognising the borders on the Isle of Great Britain as anything other than anachronistic yet useful ways to divide out sections of the working class and pit them against each other helps me to think we’re better off without the borders actually, and any real change will only come when we’re in a position to erode them to complete irrelevance. Barring some sort of catastrophe or country uniting the entire earth by conquering every other country, I don't think borders will be disappearing within any of our lifetimes.
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ThomasPaine posted:You'd think dunking on the telegraph would be low hanging fruit but leave it to lib in chief jobby o briain to completely gently caress it lol Guess he forgot stealing other cultures poo poo is the most British thing possible.
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Mar 3, 2020 14:56
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Love too gargle out god save the queen with a mouthful of baked beans while saluting the flag and crying.
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Mar 3, 2020 14:57
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Ash Crimson posted:Barring some sort of catastrophe or country uniting the entire earth by conquering every other country, I don't think borders will be disappearing within any of our lifetimes. Not with that attitude, pessimism will get you nowhere
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Mar 3, 2020 14:57
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Has anyone read The Making of the British Working Class (1963) by EP Thompson? I'm wondering if it still holds up almost sixty years later.
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Mar 3, 2020 14:58
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Not with that attitude, pessimism will get you nowhere My friend, I wish i had your optimism.
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Mar 3, 2020 14:59
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Ash Crimson posted:My friend, I wish i had your optimism. I wish you did too, because the constant negativity and doomsaying is relentlessly tiring, and if that’s how I feel about it, gently caress knows how badly it’s affecting you. Are you getting help for how you’re feeling?
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Ash Crimson posted:
Sure the last election was a good result but don't pretend that Ireland didn't swap poo poo British domination for poo poo Catholic domination for poo poo neoliberalism with Catholic characteristics in the century since independence.
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Mar 3, 2020 15:06
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I just wanna say two things: 1) atomisation of nations is a good socialist method towards breaking down the westphalian nation state model and moving us closer to a border transcending internationalist paradigm, 2) it is healthy for english people, whether socialists or not, to occasionally encounter harsh socio-cultural and political criticism from their neighbours in these blighted isles, even when hyperbolic. Even the most empathic of lefty anglos suffers from a touch of chronic tannery.
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Mar 3, 2020 15:08
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Bardeh posted:My boss came in this morning (small business, he owns it) and told us flat out that if we have to self-isolate 'you can gently caress off if you think I'm paying you.' how many people work there? try talking to a few of them and seeing if they're willing to think about organising, one of the benefits of a small business is you don't need to get too many people onside before the threat of striking becomes incredibly effective
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Sanitary Naptime posted:I wish you did too I wish you had Ash on ignore
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Mar 3, 2020 15:09
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ThomasPaine posted:Sure the last election was a good result but don't pretend that Ireland didn't swap poo poo British domination for poo poo Catholic domination for poo poo neoliberalism with Catholic characteristics in the century since independence. I mean kinda but phrasing it like that makes it seem like those three phases are all equally morally condemnable, which is a highly questionable and probably disrespectful implication to make. As bad as a the rent situation in Dublin or Galway is I'm not sure it's quite as bad as what was inflicted on Ireland by British rule.
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ThomasPaine posted:Demanding someone remove their shoes when they come into your house is a 10/10 power move imo It kinda depends where you live I think. We live in the countryside so your shoes end up muddy quite often so obviously you remove them. Maybe in the clean dry streets on England you keep them on.
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Mar 3, 2020 15:11
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Sanitary Naptime posted:I wish you did too, because the constant negativity and doomsaying is relentlessly tiring, and if that’s how I feel about it, gently caress knows how badly it’s affecting you. I'm transitioning in a country that at best, views me as a sexual deviant and at worst equates me to a paedophile wanting to enter women's safe spaces, when all i want to do is just live my life like a "normal" person. It doesn't matter how i feel, I will continue to live and exist, if only to spite those that dislike me
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^ gently caress terfs, you’ve got as much right to be who you are as any of us. I hope you can find more to live for than just pure spite, you deserve more than just that, as we all do. If you can reach out to anyone or a service for more support than you’re getting then I really encourage you to, it’s not a healthy way to feel. Julio Cruz posted:I wish you had Ash on ignore I will never Sanitary Naptime fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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VideoGames posted:Who are these monsters wearing shoes in the house?! Yeah. Maybe I'm biased because we first lived in India, and then in the countryside, but we've always been a shoes-off family. Though some of my friends do look confused when I ask
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Ash Crimson posted:I'm transitioning in a country that at best, views me as a sexual deviant and at worst equates me to a paedophile wanting to enter women's safe spaces, when all i want to do is just live my life like a "normal" person. You might be happy to know that Joanna Cherry seems to be trying to use "SNP endorses the nasty abuse I get from trans people for my Completely Normal views" as a way of winning the selection process against Angus Robertson and I fully expect it will backfire, hopefully expelling or at least reducing the TERF presence within the party. McAlpine has been very quiet about it recently, if Cherry tries to weaponise it and loses I think that's game set and match for the youth wing and trans rights in the snp. Hopefully. Also stuart campbell might launch his own party, especially for terfs and twitter check marks.
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Coohoolin posted:You might be happy to know that Joanna Cherry seems to be trying to use "SNP endorses the nasty abuse I get from trans people for my Completely Normal views" as a way of winning the selection process against Angus Robertson and I fully expect it will backfire, hopefully expelling or at least reducing the TERF presence within the party. The rhetoric used by terfs isn't much different from those used against gay, lesbian or bi people; that they're somehow going to target children if they're allowed to exist within the same space, be it physically or via through their "ideology". I just want to take the time and apologise not only to Sanitary Naptime but also to you, I just wish we weren't in this situation I'm so close to just ignoring politics, disengaging from it and getting on my with my own poo poo but i still hold out hope that things change, even incrementally, for the better even if it's naive at this point
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Chuka Umana posted:Has anyone read The Making of the British Working Class (1963) by EP Thompson? It is a great and readable book full of interesting information. I have not kept up with recent academic criticism of it, but twenty years ago it was still respected, though generally agreed to be too harsh on Methodism.
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Julio Cruz posted:how many people work there? try talking to a few of them and seeing if they're willing to think about organising, one of the benefits of a small business is you don't need to get too many people onside before the threat of striking becomes incredibly effective Less than 20. The majority of the employees are either related to the owner, friends of the owner, or in-laws of the owner. It's incestuous as gently caress.
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Ash Crimson posted:The rhetoric used by terfs isn't much different from those used against gay, lesbian or bi people; that they're somehow going to target children if they're allowed to exist within the same space, be it physically or via through their "ideology". It’s shite and none of us deserve it. The doomposting gets my hackles up and I think it’s important to counter it, which is why I give you or anyone else that does it a rough time, but I only wish the best for you like I do for anyone else being shat on from above. Rather than fully disengage, try and set some time aside for self care and see if you can find some support around you.
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I’m sorry but this is amazing https://twitter.com/peterliakhov/status/1232935546072293376?s=21
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Coohoolin posted:I just wanna say two things:  it is at the whole nationalism thing. And one of the most important things about the Westphalian concept of nationhood was the right to choose a state church. The UK had four, although one of those denied being a state church from the very start because gently caress bishops and two of the others disestablished, leaving one remainder that can't decide if it's Catholic or Protestant, has 4% attendance, and mostly exists to make lovely comments about civil partnerships and venerate citrus.
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Ash Crimson posted:Aren't Sinn Fein almost in power there? (Warning: knowledge of Irish politics comes entirely from Simpsons memes) FF & FG will never allow a Sinn Fein government or any other socialist government so no, no they're not "almost in power". And FWIW Labour got a larger share of the vote in fascist hellscape England (34%) than Sinn Fein got in noted socialist utopia Ireland (24.5%). Obviously the very different electoral systems make a comparison basically pointless, but at this point comparing Scottish and English electoral results as a method of proving the righteousness of one side or the other is equally pointless. The SNP have no equivalent in rUK politics (unless you're feeling *extremely* uncharitable and compare them to UKIP/BXP), and the effective freedom afforded to them to say "Everything will be better after independence" while never actually having to explain how this is the case means that they pull from all points of the political spectrum. Expecting them to seamlessly transition post-independence to something even as left-wing as 2015 Labour instead of just another bland, wonkish neoliberal party is being optimistic almost to the point of delusion.
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Ash Crimson posted:The rhetoric used by terfs isn't much different from those used against gay, lesbian or bi people; that they're somehow going to target children if they're allowed to exist within the same space, be it physically or via through their "ideology". In all seriousness this would almost certainly be a good thing for you. I completely blotted out politics for a few weeks after the election because I realised it was only damaging my ability to function as a human being, and you *have* to put your own health and wellbeing first otherwise you leave yourself in no position to actually improve matters for anyone. To borrow the horrible American phrase, "tend your own garden". Once you've got yourself back on your feet, feel free to come back swinging into the fray.
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Aidan_702 posted:Also, on the importance of hand washing is that clever maths person from those numberphile YouTubes So what she is saying is that Carlisle would be ok if nobody washed their hands? On the subject of splitting up the union, can Carlisle be an independent city in free association with Scotland and England? I mean we have the West Coast mainline and the M6 to toll so we should be well funded. Collateral fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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Guavanaut posted:Not even as cheque guarantee cards? It was in Egypt - most people didn't have the same kind of banking things we have here and shops were mostly strictly cash only and a deposit account at the bank. Things have changed in the last few years, but many still deal in cash only. Shoes chat: I think it's probably a pre-boomer thing. It's only in the last few years of his life that my dad thought wearing slippers in the house when you are otherwise dressed for the day instead of shoes was acceptable. I remember my nans always wearing shoes in the house, though women were allowed things called 'house shoes' - not necessarily slippers. They might be high heeled things with a sort of fur trim (great for catching spilt marmalade in). Also in the days when a lot of cooking was done from scratch, it was safer in the kitchen! I believe it was Mrs Beeton who thought 'stout boots' should be worn in the kitchen! I don't ask visitors to take shoes off usually (except muddy trainers) but most do. Guavanaut posted:
Obviously our nans were from different universes! Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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Mar 3, 2020 15:53
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 One of today's YouGov questions. 
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Be violent, get famous
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Make all SA posters use their own name. It's the only way forward.
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Junior G-man posted:Make all SA posters use their own name. It's the only way forward. A smug grin spreads across Mike Crotch's face
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