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Fojar38 posted:China, noted for it's extremely competent and grounded approach to public health like *checks notes* ignoring a pandemic for two months and arresting doctors who tried to tell people about it As opposed to what the US is doing and pretty much ignore it and not test anyone. China hosed this up as well but we had two months to get ready for it and we did gently caress all and had broken tests to start with. The reason we are seeing the most cases out of WA is because they developed their own test.
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Plant MONSTER. posted:Don't know about that. In buttfuck Northern Ontario, we were taught to notate numbers with a period when writing in French and a comma when writing in English and if we spoke English outside of English class we got recess taken away Weird, in Quebec we frenchies put a space, no periods.
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MarcusSA posted:As opposed to what the US is doing and pretty much ignore it and not test anyone. I don't think the word "ignore" means what you think. Or will you only be satisfied that it's being taken seriously if the draconic Chinese quarantine measures are mimicked?
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Like, the current infections in the US right now are about 105 which is actually more than Hong Kong is reporting and almost as much as Singapore. Is the implicit assumption here that there are actually thousands of active cases and/or deaths that are being covered up? Or is the assumption that tons of people have gotten it and survived it without any significant medical intervention at all, which would seem to run counter to all the apocalyptic rhetoric? Or is the idea that the virus is some sort of ninja-like assassin that is just biding its time and laying dormant in the infected until it can activate and kill a bunch of people at once, ideally <insert demographic I don't like> people?
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Mar 4, 2020 02:16
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Fojar38 posted:Like, the current infections in the US right now are about 105 which is actually more than Hong Kong is reporting and almost as much as Singapore. Is the implicit assumption here that there are actually thousands of active cases and/or deaths that are being covered up? Or is the assumption that tons of people have gotten it and survived it without any significant medical intervention at all, which would seem to run counter to all the apocalyptic rhetoric? Settle
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I’m not sure how to reply to that. Doctors were begging to test people and the CDC said Na bro it’s all good. Also the tests they did have were faulty.
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It’s a pretty apparent fact that if this thing is left unchecked it rips and tears pretty drat good.
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Burt Sexual posted:Settle Okay Burt, but you of all people should know that it's probably bad to have threads where people unironically encourage each other to panic about stuff, especially considering anxiety problems are common among goons and have caused IRL harm before.
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Mar 4, 2020 02:22
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US gov shows its complete disdain for health and well-being of its citizens yet again but not unlike beaten children they choose to view it as a freedom and independence of sorts
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Mar 4, 2020 02:23
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Fojar38 posted:Or is the idea that the virus is some sort of ninja-like assassin that is just biding its time and laying dormant in the infected until it can activate and kill a bunch of people at once, ideally <insert demographic I don't like> people? As an internet virology expert with many MANY hours in Plague Inc I can assure you that the virus is just waiting until it reaches a high enough infection level before it mutates any of the deadlier symptoms
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This is from the other thread. Nodelphi posted:I can confirm that the 12 hospitals in my network have no tests either. We also have no process in place to get tests. Also people aren’t really panicking but this is definitely something people need to take seriously (the CDC has even said this) and it’s not just the flu.
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Mar 4, 2020 02:26
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it's just the superflu, bro
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Fojar38 posted:Is it a Goon thing or an American thing to be loving terrified of absolutely everything beyond all reason Just try to think of it as you being weirdly scared of China at all times, even though it's irrational. MarcusSA posted:This is not correct. Fojar not knowing something but still speaking with authority about it? Whoa.
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Bronze Fonz posted:Weird, in Quebec we frenchies put a space, no periods. ...You're totally right, it was spaces not periods. What the hell was I smoking? It was marijuana. I was smoking marijuana.
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I didn't say it was "just the flu." It is a particularly nasty and virulent strain of the flu, one that puts people with pre-existing conditions at high risk and if someone falls into a vulnerable demographic, they should absolutely be considering serious precautions. But they definitely shouldn't be getting advice on how to do so from internet forums. If you are a relatively healthy adult and you contract this, it will be like an extremely lovely and disruptive flu and will ruin several weeks, but it won't kill you even if you might wish it did while you were dealing with it. Stay informed (not by twitter, but by medical professionals), wash your hands frequently, cough in your sleeve, stay home if you're sick. If you know vulnerable people check up on them to see how they're doing and if they need help. There is absolutely nothing about this right now that warrants panic-buying or stocking up on canned goods for your average person. That's all.
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Fojar38 posted:Like, the current infections in the US right now are about 105 which is actually more than Hong Kong is reporting and almost as much as Singapore. Is the implicit assumption here that there are actually thousands of active cases and/or deaths that are being covered up? Or is the assumption that tons of people have gotten it and survived it without any significant medical intervention at all, which would seem to run counter to all the apocalyptic rhetoric? The US has a population of 330 Million, Hong Kong has a population of 7 Million, Singapore has a population of 5 Million. Reporting more than either Hong Kong or Singapore is to be expected. What the US is doing is simply not testing people and calling the whole worry about it a "hoax". Lambert fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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Fojar38 posted:I didn't say it was "just the flu." It is a particularly nasty and virulent strain of the flu, one that puts people with pre-existing conditions at high risk and if someone falls into a vulnerable demographic, they should absolutely be considering serious precautions. But they definitely shouldn't be getting advice on how to do so from internet forums. You're neither a doctor nor is it a flu. Just shut up for once. You can do your usual moronic China bashing in the containment threads.
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Fojar38 posted:Like, the current infections in the US right now are about 105 which is actually more than Hong Kong is reporting and almost as much as Singapore. Is the implicit assumption here that there are actually thousands of active cases and/or deaths that are being covered up? Or is the assumption that tons of people have gotten it and survived it without any significant medical intervention at all, which would seem to run counter to all the apocalyptic rhetoric? Nah the implicit assumption is that Hong Kong is testing gently caress loads of people so the number of confirmed positive cases there is more likely to be close to the overall number of people in the population that have it. The US is testing a very narrow spectrum of patients (very sick and just got back from a major infection zone) so the testing is very unrepresentative of what may or may not be happening in the general population. Combine that with people not asking to be tested because it’s ‘just the flu’, people not getting tested because they don’t meet the CDC criteria, and Americans’ fear of going to the doctor and it’s not unreasonable to assume the number of actual cases in the US is much much higher than the test results we do have would indicate.
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gay picnic defence posted:Nah the implicit assumption is that Hong Kong is testing gently caress loads of people so the number of confirmed positive cases there is more likely to be close to the overall number of people in the population that have it. This is true, and it's also something that epidemiologists account for. As someone noted in the D&D thread, this is called "under-ascertainment" and it's a staple of the field.
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Fojar38 posted:This is true, and it's also something that epidemiologists account for. As someone noted in the D&D thread, this is called "under-ascertainment" and it's a staple of the field. Maybe you should read your previous post. Also, the Trump administration obfuscating numbers and deliberately not testing people isn't "under-ascertainment". It's not a "staple of the field", but a situation brought about by the incompetence of the US government trying to sweep things under the rug.
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Burt Sexual posted:Settle I believe its spelled Seattle 
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Considering this virus' similarity to SARS (in fact IIRC it's basically a mutation of the virus, yes?) it'll be interesting to look back on the data and see just how much of its virulence was due to the virus itself versus China's extreme bungling of the outbreak. SARS had a similar r0 and a longer incubation period yet infected fewer people overall. In fact China sat on the epidemic for a similar amount of time back then (November to February) but the origin of the outbreak that time was rural, so it probably had less opportunity to spread.
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I'm Fojar, and everything I write is about my weird beef with China and my undying love for the Trump administration.
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Fojar38 posted:This is true, and it's also something that epidemiologists account for. As someone noted in the D&D thread, this is called "under-ascertainment" and it's a staple of the field. Which you might be able estimate with reasonable accuracy if anything approaching a systematic testing regime was taking place, but lol America
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gay picnic defence posted:Which you might be able estimate with reasonable accuracy if anything approaching a systematic testing regime was taking place, but lol America Considering how quickly new cases are being confirmed it seems clear that they are getting more data to work with by the hour.
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Too bad we're not able to tell how much more data, because those numbers have been removed from the CDC website. Also, the CDC isn't sending out many test kits, so new cases speak to the virus being everywhere, not testing kits getting out there.
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Lambert posted:Too bad we're not able to tell how much more data, because those numbers have been removed from the CDC website. And the states had to do the tests since the cdc was loving it up
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Fojar38 posted:ideally <insert demographic I don't like> people? Fojar38 posted:Okay Burt, but you of all people should know that it's probably bad to have threads where people unironically encourage each other to panic about stuff, especially considering anxiety problems are common among goons and have caused IRL harm before. ... But outside whatever weird gross you got going on with those posts, I do agree it's good to not incite panic, which is arguably what the US CDC is trying to do. Masks & bleach are basically sold out in all of the PNW, as well as a random assortment of meds. People are hoarding up food even in this thread. That's all happening despite the gov't trying to repress panic as much as possible. As far as testing, it's a new test and an extremely limited supply, choices have to be made about who gets to use them. Yes #45 might be putting pressure on to restrict info for his own reasons AND the CDC could be wanting to not cause panic, meaning they're in alignment about what to do, for different reasons. Not like any of us have enough information to know.
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Because it's literally a novel flu. Everyone is susceptible. It doesn't matter that mortality is relatively low this is gonna hit and incapacitate so much. Literally not a flu Fojar38 posted:I didn't say it was "just the flu." It is a particularly nasty and virulent strain of the flu, It's not a flu
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Trump literally called it a "hoax", why the equivocations? And why would hiding the numbers of people tested and people dead be in service of trying to "not cause a panic"? If anything, it does the opposite. The government isn't trying to prevent a panic, it's trying to prop up the stock market. And the CDC is under the direction of Pence at the moment, whether they're "in alignment" or not literally doesn't matter, they have no choice. The White House also put out a press release collecting tweets praising Trump's reaction to the coronavirus, which pretty clearly shows where their priorities lie. The the US test being in limited supply is a direct cause of the CDC being incompetent. Lambert fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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Illuminti posted:Literally not a flu "Flu" in this sense is usually used as a shorthand to describe the symptoms rather than if the actual virus itself is an influenza virus. People commonly call Norovirus the "stomach flu" even though it isn't a flu.
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Fojar38 posted:"Flu" in this sense is usually used as a shorthand to describe the symptoms rather than if the actual virus itself is an influenza virus. Yeah, that's for sure what you actually meant.
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Fojar38 posted:"Flu" in this sense is usually used as a shorthand to describe the symptoms rather than if the actual virus itself is an influenza virus. Fojar38 posted:It is a particularly nasty and virulent strain of the flu you are always wrong about everything. i put you on ignore a couple days after you first started posting and everyone else's failure to do so has tainted everything you touch, you miserably terrible and stupid person
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Yeah that’s probably not good at all. https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235021491659395073
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I don't really wanna go down this rabbit, so I'll reply just to this one: Trump didn't call it a hoax. He called the media coverage of it a hoax, which I'll grant he knew meant media/social media would run with and say it's a hoax. It's an important distinction. Pence is not directly in charge of the CDC. I won't say I'm not concerned he's involved at all, but again, not actually what's going on. The white house media exists to praise the president, that's been true for a long time. "It does the opposite" - that's subjective as hell, but I would think that the lack of numbers removes the number reporting from most news sources, or at least that's the idea. Whether it works or not is different then the intent, and again we don't actually know what either the CDC or Trump want to happen here regarding that data. The issue is we're in the dark and have no way to change that.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Yeah that’s probably not good at all. Na. I’ll put $100 that they say “it’s not a big deal, stay the course, and wash your hands.”
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:I don't really wanna go down this rabbit, so I'll reply just to this one: He did call it a hoax. Claiming worry about it was overblown and some kind of Democratic operation to taint his presidency amounts to the same thing, it's not an "important distinction" at all. Pence is in charge of all communications the CDC is allowed to present to the public, the CDC can't independently present any findings. It's why they censored their website; the CDC's mission at this point seems to be to make president Trump look good, not inform and protect the public. Lambert fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:I don't really wanna go down this rabbit, so I'll reply just to this one: it literally doesn't matter that dude has had that pointed out to him already and he keeps saying it e- see
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