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Regalingualius posted:Yeah, I really want to see the inevitable final duel between her and Incubus, if only because there’s a non-zero chance that it involves Throne itself getting cleaved in half this time around. It's something that would be awesome so it's probably bound to happen
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Mar 3, 2020 20:43
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Rotten Red Rod posted:It's something that would be awesome so it's probably bound to happen On the other hand, it is “the Sword of Maybe”.
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Mar 3, 2020 20:48
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Mr. Lobe posted:https://twitter.com/Orbitaldropkick/status/1234899769073586178 https://twitter.com/BahuWrites/status/1234918183544352768?s=19
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Mar 3, 2020 21:10
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Mar 3, 2020 21:13
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Maya can't beat Incubus. He has a key, she doesn't, and those with that kind of power simply can't be fought.
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Mar 3, 2020 22:03
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wiegieman posted:Maya can't beat Incubus. He has a key, she doesn't, and those with that kind of power simply can't be fought. Didn't Clo steal a key from Mammon?
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Mar 3, 2020 22:09
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Potato Salad posted:Didn't Clo steal a key from Mammon? Cio stole a little bit of power, through trickery, from a senile old dragon.
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Mar 3, 2020 22:11
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wiegieman posted:Maya can't beat Incubus. He has a key, she doesn't, and those with that kind of power simply can't be fought. Well certainly not with that attitude they can't
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Mar 3, 2020 22:15
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wiegieman posted:Maya can't beat Incubus. He has a key, she doesn't, and those with that kind of power simply can't be fought. Solomon loving ripped a key out of a dude's head because he was so good at punching Zoss doesn't currently have a key and appears to have ignored his own death Maya doesn't currently have a key and can take on angels. That, and she managed to get a key in the first place, and clearly Incubus managed to take it without having a key himself, so... It's clear a key is powerful but not the be-all-end-all. That said, it's clear she has some sort of plan involving Allison that she hasn't enacted yet.
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Mar 3, 2020 22:18
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wiegieman posted:Maya can't beat Incubus. He has a key, she doesn't, and those with that kind of power simply can't be fought. Not with that attitude
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Mar 3, 2020 22:18
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Well certainly not with that attitude they can't
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Mar 3, 2020 22:27
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Mar 3, 2020 22:27
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Well certainly not with that attitude they can't It's this. Also, having a key doesn't make you any harder to sneak up behind and shiv to death if you're not prepared for it. What makes the Demiurges so terrifying is that they're not the strongest, most capable, or most mystically aware demiurges from the Universal War. They're the ones who, despite everything, survived and won. If anything, they're weaker than plenty of the demiurges who died hard in the war, but they're survivors. They also were strategic enough to make the Pact when there were just seven left. Imagine being the eighth remaining demiurge, a star-browed god in the flesh who has conquered countless worlds, and realizing that you're surplus to requirements for the Pact of the Seven Part World.
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Mar 3, 2020 22:31
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wiegieman posted:Maya can't beat Incubus. He has a key, she doesn't, and those with that kind of power simply can't be fought. And this is why you will be a pawn and will never achieve royalty. no matter how much power or keys Incubus has he can't never beat Maya. Its not because Maya is more powerful, its because he cares too much and she cares too little.
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Mar 3, 2020 22:32
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ElMaligno posted:And this is why you will be a pawn and will never achieve royalty. Nah, he beat her incredibly hard. He shook her so much she has spent centuries at minimum thinking about how much she wants to kill him, and he's still alive.
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Mar 3, 2020 22:54
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Joe Slowboat posted:Nah, he beat her incredibly hard. He shook her so much she has spent centuries at minimum thinking about how much she wants to kill him, and he's still alive. Did he? I haven't kept up with all the backstory and side stories but it seems like she just left the middle army after becoming disillusioned with all of it.
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Mar 3, 2020 23:00
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Incubus never beat Maya, she just gave him the key and hosed off, denying him the victory he so desperately needed to fix his crippling self image problem. Maya wants to brutally murder him because he murdered Meti.
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Mar 3, 2020 23:04
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Joe Slowboat posted:Nah, he beat her incredibly hard. He shook her so much she has spent centuries at minimum thinking about how much she wants to kill him, and he's still alive. If Incubus had taken Maya's key through combat he'd be acknowledged as an equal by the other demiurges, but he isn't, because he didn't. She left it behind. She later realized what she had enabled by doing so, and now lives in regret of allowing him access to such power.
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Joe Slowboat posted:Nah, he beat her incredibly hard. He shook her so much she has spent centuries at minimum thinking about how much she wants to kill him, and he's still alive. If he beat her that hard she'd be dead. M_Gargantua posted:Incubus never beat Maya, she just gave him the key and hosed off, denying him the victory he so desperately needed to fix his crippling self image problem. Maya wants to brutally murder him because he murdered Meti. If she hated him that much she never would have given him the key (unless he acquired the key before he killed Meti). The other demiurges seem to consider him as having "stolen" the throne. I think it's likely he found some way to trick her and steal it - maybe she intended to give it to someone else, or destroy it, and he managed to take it instead. All that said, he IS blind and covered in scars. Maybe from a battle with Maya?
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UNLESS: maya didn't want the key anymore and knew incubus well enough that the worst thing she could do to him would be to give him power everyone would know he hadn't earned
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Mar 3, 2020 23:22
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I doubt Incubus tricked the key out of anyone - that would be too close to legitimately earning it; seizing it in a battle of will. Most likely Maya discarded it and Incubus just took it before anyone else got the chance. Meti would be horribly disappointed in them both though. They hate each other, yet they have both survived for eons.
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Incubus didn't beat Maya, he beat Meti, one of the most Royal people we have seen in this setting, and fed her body to the dogs. If Incubus had ever beaten Maya she would be dead. Also rereading that section I don't think I realized that Maya's flashback happened at literally the same spot. Or those bells are fairly common I guess. Dr Subterfuge fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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Mar 3, 2020 23:28
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Mr. Lobe posted:https://twitter.com/Orbitaldropkick/status/1234899769073586178 Kill Six Billionaires
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Mar 3, 2020 23:29
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Fister Roboto posted:Kill Six Billionaires that's it??
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So, cool thing: This comic and its attached text retroactively make the absolute steaming, radiating impatience in this comic from six years prior significantly more cool and makes the pose being struck significantly more emotionally coherent.
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Mottom "earned" her key by killing her husband in his sleep, trickery would probably be considered a respectable way of seizing the power. I would assume that Maya let Incubus have the key and that for that matter Meti let him kill her.
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My point is that Maya did not get the better half of that interaction; I've been a loud supporter of the 'Maya hosed off' theory. But Incubus being illegitimate has nothing to do with the demiurges having a genuine set of criteria for a Real Demiurge, and everything to do with his own psychological issues. I'm on record saying Maya ding-dong ditching Incubus and leaving the key behind after he killed Meti (who is strongly implied to have trained him to be good enough to genuinely kill her, on purpose, for Maya's education) did a huge number on him... but it also hosed up Maya. She's spent centuries in bitterness, stewing. "God will never forgive me for the hate I feel for that man." But Incubus is still alive. Hence, Incubus beat her - she retreated, she flinched, she hesitated.
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I don't think Maya understood what a monster Incubus was until after he killed Meti, and she sure as poo poo wouldn't have let him get the key after that, so the order of events was probably Maya gives up the key -> Incubus takes it and kills Meti (who probably let him because gently caress you Incubus)
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Joe Slowboat posted:Hence, Incubus beat her - she retreated, she flinched, she hesitated. This is just the universal war in microcosm. Nobody actually won because the last people standing are just in a holding pattern until it all comes crashing down. Difference is that this time Incubus has more to lose than Maya since he still has his inflated ego and aspirations of attaining true victory.
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Also rereading that section I don't think I realized that Maya's flashback happened at literally the same spot. Or those bells are fairly common I guess. Yeah it's the same place, it's much more obvious on a previous page: https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/king-of-swords-6-56/
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Patware posted:UNLESS: maya didn't want the key anymore and knew incubus well enough that the worst thing she could do to him would be to give him power everyone would know he hadn't earned I think so. This also makes her a very good swordswoman
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Yeah it's the same place, it's much more obvious on a previous page: https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/king-of-swords-6-56/ lol I glanced through that page too fast it seems
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Shoehead posted:I think so. This also makes her a very good swordswoman a cut that never stops cutting
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Patware posted:that's it?? Gotta start somewhere.
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Do we know what happens if you fall off the edge of Throne?
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Joe Slowboat posted:
Mottem literally calls him an illegitimate usurper and he immediately has an outburst that they all constantly remind him that he didn't earn his position. He absolutely is not considered a legitimate demiurge, that isn't all in his head.
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Who What Now posted:Mottem literally calls him an illegitimate usurper and he immediately has an outburst that they all constantly remind him that he didn't earn his position. He absolutely is not considered a legitimate demiurge, that isn't all in his head. Yeah, Jaggs even dunks on him in his own kingdom with the whole "this was never your throne, little king" line.
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Paramemetic posted:Yeah, Jaggs even dunks on him in his own kingdom with the whole "this was never your throne, little king" line. Even Jadis got in on it, and she's an entombed corpse who rarely speaks above an unintelligible whisper!
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