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a fatguy baldspot posted:what happens if we keep fighting and still lose A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. - Wayne Gretzky Being on the right side matters. Doing stuff for your fellow man matters. The world might be poo poo, but it's worth fighting for. Don't let the ballot box make you forget that.
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a fatguy baldspot posted:what happens if we keep fighting and still lose https://youtu.be/AWvRcWDr5y8?t=88
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a fatguy baldspot posted:what happens if we keep fighting and still lose 
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mila kunis posted:yep Spoiler: very badly
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2DCAT posted:Yeah it is; can't change minds of folks with a 20 minute discussion when they listen to MSNBC/CNN 24/7 I don't think it's ever about changing minds. Organizing is more about activating people who are already on your side or predisposed to be on your side. The MSNBC/CNN cohort is lost in most circumstances, but you can still build something with people who care. I think you see that right here on this stupid comedy forum. dex_sda posted:Remember, what you built in the community matters. You are on the right side of history. Solidarity. Right. Being morally correct is going to result in you losing most of the time but there's people who do care and support.
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a fatguy baldspot posted:what happens if we keep fighting and still lose We keep fighting until we win
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A movement takes time. Civil rights took decades before getting concessions. Yes, there will be stumbling blocks, major ones, but the important thing is to dust yourself off and keep fighting. Take a break if you need to, but come back and show those fuckers it's not over.
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a fatguy baldspot posted:what happens if we keep fighting and still lose You persist
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Friday's payday. I'm going to become a dues paying DSA member on Friday Sunday I'm gonna be knockin doors for Bernie. I don't care. I'm done with the demonrat party, but I'm still going to fight for universal healthcare. A lack of access to healthcare will kill almost 200,000 people between now and election day 2024. I have to do something
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Broken Machine posted:with 60% of the votes still to go. And most of the states he won in '16 have already been decided In 13 days 577 delegates are at stake when AZ, FL, OH and IL vote. Bernie lost all of those last time. He's 100% losing Florida again April 28 is 663: CT (Hillary won), DE (Hillary won), MD (Hillary won), NY (Hillary won), PA (Hillary won), and the littlest of all, Rhode Island (at least that one went to Bernie!) The easy part of the road is done, and it resulted in far less youth turnout and minority support than expected a fatguy baldspot posted:what happens if we keep fighting and still lose Bernie is not running again in '24
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It's cool that the christian fascists movement keeps getting stronger off of economic turmoil but the centrists just couldn't give a gently caress because the first line in the the famous poem was "First they came for the Communists."
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I'm really curious what happened to Biden in Iowa. His entire collapse in the polls (and Bernie's rise) seemed pretty closely tied to people suddenly doubting his electability after that. SC obviously reversed that, but how did he get into that position in the first place, and can the effect be replicated?
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republicans got the gift of a president their base hated in 2008-2016 and ran hard to the right and it paid off, owns that the democrats in the same situation use it to also run hard to their right if the ratfuck is completed, hopefully the organized left learns from the tea party movement and throws its weight behind every incumbent D. 2018 was the time for that but 2022 is better late than never
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Entenzahn posted:I'm really curious what happened to Biden in Iowa. His entire collapse in the polls (and Bernie's rise) seemed pretty closely tied to people suddenly doubting his electability after that. SC obviously reversed that, but how did he get into that position in the first place, and can the effect be replicated? Pump Bloomberg.
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Chris James 2 posted:And most of the states he won in '16 have already been decided yeah, the primary is probably now Biden's to lose assuming half of Bernie's movement doesn't just give up and hand it to him. as an outsider I'm not sure I share your certainty Biden won't go and lose it, though.
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Entenzahn posted:I'm really curious what happened to Biden in Iowa. His entire collapse in the polls (and Bernie's rise) seemed pretty closely tied to people suddenly doubting his electability after that. SC obviously reversed that, but how did he get into that position in the first place, and can the effect be replicated?
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Entenzahn posted:I'm really curious what happened to Biden in Iowa. His entire collapse in the polls (and Bernie's rise) seemed pretty closely tied to people suddenly doubting his electability after that. SC obviously reversed that, but how did he get into that position in the first place, and can the effect be replicated? Iowans did a lot more of going out to see candidates at live events instead of watching them on cable, and by and large the people who went to see live Biden walked away thinking "loving hell that guy's a dementia-soaked moron"
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Dolphin posted:I really need to hold back the gag reflex here but.. lol bloomberg will drop out and fund biden/warren
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Chris James 2 posted:And most of the states he won in '16 have already been decided a newly radicalized marianne williamson will use her highly developed abilities to quietly gather and train a militant bene gesserit order of socialist nuns w mind powers
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Dolphin posted:holy gently caress i totally forgot that he's going to have to go on national television and defend hunter getting a multi-million dollar contract with a corrupt company in the ukraine someone at the trump campaign is in charge of reaching out to hunter's stripper baby mama and inviting her to the debate to sit in the front row.
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C-SPAN Caller posted:It is entirely voter suppression efforts and disenfranchisement. no its not young people are idiots they have condemned themselves every bit as much as the boomers have condemned them
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Grey Fox posted:I'm thinking there was a lot of moderate apathy towards whoever the eventual nominee would be, aka the whole "blue no matter who" mantra, which lasted until the moderate wing picked their candidate two days ago. No, voters didn't vote for Biden, but (in their mind) against Trump. Voters prefer Bernies policy, but think Biden is more likely to win.
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Reprisal posted:no its not ok boomer
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Gonna suck real rear end when pudding brains loses to Trump and this country goes full fash, especially as someone dating a non-citizen from a Muslim country.
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rudecyrus posted:A movement takes time. Civil rights took decades before getting concessions. Yes, there will be stumbling blocks, major ones, but the important thing is to dust yourself off and keep fighting. Take a break if you need to, but come back and show those fuckers it's not over. Specific to climate change, we don't have time, it's really now or never. Actually, it's too little too late really, but now any sort of action to slow climate change is effectively dead. Lots of things have more or less been confirmed these last few years: -Democrats are monumental pussies and don't stand for anything. They like the idea of free healthcare, or free college, or raising taxes on billionaires, but would rather pander to republicans than take risks. -All boomers need to die. Now. We're a country ran by them.  -News networks control and influence the narrative. If you don't control them, you can't decisively win. -In this day and age, seems like ground game doesn't matter. Biden's gliding by on name recognition alone, and his lack of funding, offices and advocates on the ground really prove circumstances have changed in this entertainment age. It'll be good to see my generation and the generation before me become fully activated in the next decade or two, but everything Bernie's advocating for is desperately needed now. With ACA on the chopping block for next year, people are going to start dying faster and in higher numbers, and the climate's going to start hitting us hard.
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Pingui posted:No, voters didn't vote for Biden, but (in their mind) against Trump. Voters prefer Bernies policy, but think Biden is more likely to win.
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I live in CT and am gonna show up to vote for Bernie but I'm not sure I've felt like a vote mattered less than this one before, lol I am immediately returning to Unaffiliated party registration after our stupid closed primary ends. Like as soon as I get to work after voting. gently caress the Democrats.
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At least this time my primary vote might actually matter for about a half second before I hurl it into the raging poo poo inferno that is NY dem machine politics.
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Grey Fox posted:47% of Virginia voters made up their mind in the past two days. Moderates in Iowa stayed home. I made a large effort post a few pages back, but it was 100% because voters believed Biden to be the most electable.
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Wamsutta posted:I am immediately returning to Unaffiliated party registration after our stupid closed primary ends. Like as soon as I get to work after voting. gently caress the Democrats. Don't do that. You need to stay Dem to primary every fucker you can from the left.
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I mean we can talk about the establishment and media’s obvious hatred for Bernie, and it is a factor, but we need to stop thinking of the democratic base as temporarily embarrassed socialists. the base is very old and old people are very conservative— not necessarily in the sense of supporting right wing policy (though sometimes that) but more just scared, risk-averse, and preferring the comfortable and familiar over the new and different. the democratic base is fissures even harder than the Republican base. young people reject neoliberalism as hard as old people reject social democracy.
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rudecyrus posted:ok boomer historically young people vote much less than olds
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actionjackson posted:historically young people vote much less than olds Well, yeah. Olds have time and money and can spend 5 hours in line to vote.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I mean we can talk about the establishment and media’s obvious hatred for Bernie, and it is a factor, but we need to stop thinking of the democratic base as temporarily The primary voters have an overall favorable view of socialism (except Tennessee, where fav./unfav. is 50/50). They voted Biden because they think Biden is more electable than Bernie against Trump (see my long effort post a few pages back for details).
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Pingui posted:The primary voters have an overall favorable view of socialism (except Tennessee, where fav./unfav. is 50/50). They voted Biden because they think Biden is more electable than Bernie against Trump (see my long effort post a few pages back for details). It's a good post and it's keeping me from cancelling from going canvassing on Sunday
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Biden not monumentally loving this up at some point and getting buried under universal negative coverage would certainly be a first in his decades of Presidential runs. he will be held by a far higher standard than Trump because he believes he should be held to a higher standard and his campaign will respond to critical coverage in kind Biden will not survive front runner status without coming out extremely damaged goods. best case for him, he manages to hold on to his delegate lead through the convention, comes out the other side even against Trump, and just slowly slips against him for the next 4 months, then there is an extremely blatantly engineered October surprise that energizes Republicans and we nearly lose the House. best case for Biden
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spacemang_spliff posted:It's a good post and it's keeping me from cancelling from going canvassing on Sunday Thank you that means a lot, I was really hoping it would cheer people up :-)
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