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if biden wins against trump that's a solid hedge against an important part of the left's critique of the democratic party's project, namely that neoliberal managerialism is a dead ideology and will not be able to win. if the left turns out for biden, it's asserting its own irrelevance. nobody on the left should countenance a vote for joe biden in 2020
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Mar 4, 2020 15:58
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Well, no. But people who were talking about a general strike before? It might be time to seriously revisit that.
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Mar 4, 2020 15:58
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bobjr posted:Does Biden 2020 have a slogan yet? Friend of Republicans Everywhere
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Mar 4, 2020 15:58
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bobjr posted:Does Biden 2020 have a slogan yet? "Vote for Bernie while there's still time"
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bobjr posted:Does Biden 2020 have a slogan yet? You Can’t Teach An Old Dog New Tricks
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Mar 4, 2020 15:58
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evilweasel posted:You’re advocating losing the 2020 election, which will all but ensure climate change can not be stopped. It's too bad the guy who's got the worst chance of winning the election has the full weight of the Democratic establishment behind him
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Mar 4, 2020 15:58
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Nocturtle posted:Is there any indication of Warren and/or Bloomberg dropping out? IMO if there's a path for Sanders to win it includes some one-on-one primary debates where Biden's sadly growing incoherence becomes impossible to ignore. Bloomberg was supposed to be meeting with his advisors today. I would not be shocked if he is done now that his goal of denying Bernie the nomination is almost complete
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Mar 4, 2020 15:59
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CubanMissile posted:And what is Joe Biden gonna do to stop either of those things? Oh, he's gonna let the upper-middle class white people (who are actually the real underprivileged minority) go back to brunch and stop thinking about politics for a while. That's the solution, right? evilweasel posted:You’re advocating losing the 2020 election, which will all but ensure climate change can not be stopped. No, I think they should nominate Bernie and win. You think they should nominate a sundowning slightly more decorous Trump who would obviously lose.
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Mar 4, 2020 15:59
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nelson posted:Young people liked going to Bernie’s rallies but didn’t like going to vote: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...016/4947795002/ Maybe we should start blaming young people for not voting instead of blaming olds for always voting.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:00
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Draynar posted:I think it's that no malarkey thing? God it's so bad lol. Oh god, it's like tailor-made for boomers Just gently caress everything Also I want to make it clear that yeah I will crawl over glass to vote against Trump, but I mean Jesus christ for Biden? ...Just loving Really?! Really universe?! I already had to vote for Hillary in 2016. Just come the gently caress on and give me a break TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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Mar 4, 2020 16:00
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bobjr posted:Does Biden 2020 have a slogan yet? Cages4Kids, Not Medicare4All
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Mar 4, 2020 16:00
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evilweasel posted:You’re advocating losing the 2020 election, which will all but ensure climate change can not be stopped. you're advocating basically nothing changing from the status quo which led to the climate change Actually I take that back. 'advocating' implies you actually stand for something, when the truth is more like performative posting of useless non-opinions.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:01
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bobjr posted:Does Biden 2020 have a slogan yet? Nothing Matters, Embrace Death
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Mar 4, 2020 16:01
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Shere posted:It's not even close to over. No, I'm sorry, we've now faced the slightest bit of resistance and therefore must capitulate and give up. It's in the rules.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:01
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Straight White Shark posted:We watched Trump Kool-Aid Man his way through the wall of endorsements against him in 2016 and decided (if we hadn't already) that we needed our own populist insurgent to counter him, but Democrats listen to the establishment in a way that Republicans don't. Our own populist insurgent would have to Kool-Aid Man through the entrenched interests the same as Trump. I don’t know why Bernie can’t seem to do it but he can’t. Trump is a general dumpster fire of a human being but the one thing he’s actually good at showmanship. That’s what Obama was good at too, so maybe that’s what we actually need. People don’t respond to policy or competence. It’s a giant popularity show.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:02
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shadow puppet of a posted:Remember last night when that guy was insisting that all the young people were just still at work which is why exit polling had them barely showing up and Biden swept the early results? Yeah there's always a couple of those. Plus one or two people shouting "the fix is in" when a news network calls a race with 0% reporting, like the guy at the news desk hit the Lie About the Results button a few minutes too early and not just that their exit polling had them confident in the outcome. Not everyone follows elections closely so they're understandable mistakes 
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Mar 4, 2020 16:02
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Flapjack Monty posted:Nothing Matters, Embrace Death Finally, an honest voice in politics.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:02
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nelson posted:Young people liked going to Bernie’s rallies but didn’t like going to vote: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...016/4947795002/ I'm pretty sure young people haven't heard of Public Enemy or Dick Van Dyke though VH4Ever posted:Well, no. But people who were talking about a general strike before? It might be time to seriously revisit that. If the issue is "young people don't show up to vote" then "young people go on general strike" may be a harder sell.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:02
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Every time I hear a campaign has an edge because of young voters I’m just gonna go ahead and assume it’s a lost cause. Young voters wouldn’t show up to vote even if polling locations offered cocaine and $2 White Claws.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:02
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Can't wait to see Anita Hill get brought up by republicans and buried by democrats.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:02
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nelson posted:Young people liked going to Bernie’s rallies but didn’t like going to vote: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...016/4947795002/ We deserve Boomer dominance.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:03
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Kawalimus posted:Why would Warren or her supporters stop at this point? She was clearly done after NV and even more clearly after SC. She doesn't care. They don't care. Like that one report said about her, shes a "team player". Shes happy to do her part to maintain the status quo even if it hurts her reputation in the end. She seems to have gotten 12% in California, a state that was probably more likely than not to support progressives. Lets see, 17% in CO, 16% in Maine where it was 33.9% Biden to 33% Bernie, 15.4% in MN, she still got 10% in NC, ignoring her home state which was 21%, VA was also 10%. I think she typically drew between 10% and 15% of the vote; so the idea that y'know the hundreds of thousands of people that supported her don't care I think is unsubstantiated. The first 3-4 states don't prove whether a candidate or not is viable; Bill Clinton famously iirc lost the early states; I think Obama won thanks mainly to super tuesday as well and so on. So I think there's a lot of reasons, maybe you see them as rationalizations wherein people might be holding onto hope that some sort of upset happens that lets her remain viable, perhaps resulting in a Bernie vs Warren head to head. Any or all hope for such a thing should be well disabused after Tuesday and I think we'll see a steady drop to between 5% to 9% that will swap to Bernie. I am not saying that all 10-15% would move; but that a substantial chunk would. I don't know how likely it is but maybe instead of doom and gloom and nihilism you can try to assess ways of forging ahead, tap old forgotten wells for forgotten treasures.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:03
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Nitrousoxide posted:Man, I'm doomin' even harder than I was last night. Thanks for sharing. My loans are just as bad with a little bit less principal and a lot more interest. I have two doctorates, and the second one was free besides the accrued interest during it. The 6.5% interest on federal loans is criminal. I was really hoping for a Bernie win. Now that I'm post-docing, I can't save money, because it goes to the loan payment that doesn't even cover the interest.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:03
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evilweasel posted:You’re advocating losing the 2020 election, which will all but ensure climate change can not be stopped. Electing Biden also ensures climate change cannot be stopped.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:03
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CubanMissile posted:Every time I hear a campaign has an edge because of young voters I’m just gonna go ahead and assume it’s a lost cause. Young voters wouldn’t show up to vote even if polling locations offered $2 White Claws and cocaine. I'd ordinarily agree with you but back in 2017 Corbyn pulled off a loving miracle off the back of the youth. He then got turbofucked by media coverage and brexit.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:03
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isn't this bad for GE, good economy is a boost for trump lol also lol that no one outside of the left will make the connection between biden doing well and some of the worst scum on earth immideately doing better just on the potential of his primary victory
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Mar 4, 2020 16:03
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warren is dropping today, you got your wish. https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1235217320555032577
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Mar 4, 2020 16:03
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If Biden wins the Primary and Trump wins the GE, then AOC needs to run in 2024 with the help of Bernie.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:03
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Shere posted:It's not even close to over. I don't see how Bernie makes up this delegate lead Biden has short of Biden totally imploding by saying/doing stupid stuff. The latter is completely possible but if Biden somehow avoids that its his nomination to lose.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:03
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Biden 2020: Nothing Will Fundamentally Change
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Mar 4, 2020 16:04
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TulliusCicero posted:Oh god, it's like tailor-made for boomers lol yeah it’s some monkey paw poo poo to have to choose between a fascist and a guy who will set us back decades on several concurrent crises facing young people
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Mar 4, 2020 16:04
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bobjr posted:Does Biden 2020 have a slogan yet? Restore The Soul of America Our best days still lie ahead This is America We are America, second to none Anything is possible No Malarkey! Are all listed as official slogans of Biden 2020. gently caress
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Mar 4, 2020 16:04
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If any thing the past week has taught me, destroying the DNC is as important as voting progressives in. Before I tolerated them, now they must be ripped out of society's positions of power.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:04
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Still going to work for Bernie. Next primary is in less than a week. If I still think he's the right choice I gotta keep working for it.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:05
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Pook Good Mook posted:Despite what this board thinks, lesser of two evils is actually a real thing. Thinking "Biden and Trump same, haha not voting" is a luxury for people who are well-off and will suffer no consequences either way. Being able to say, "I'm isolated from the outcome of federal elections" is a position of immense privilege. What is Biden going to do for poor people that is fundamentally better than Trump?
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Mar 4, 2020 16:05
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Mr Hootington posted:Can't wait to see Anita Hill get brought up by republicans and buried by democrats. I think Dems can bury Biden’s worst stuff now but no way will they be able to in a general.
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Mar 4, 2020 16:05
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:warren is dropping today, you got your wish. so what? she'll endorse biden and she's done her handler's desires already. a round of applause for being a useful pawn? thanks for showing your true colors liz
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Mar 4, 2020 16:05
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Can always hope for the dream of warren dropping and Bloomberg insisting to stay in. That'd be pretty amazing. (OR if they both drop Warren endorsing Bernie) but realistically probably be reverse of that cause gently caress everything. Kind of odd next debate is so far away which sucks as Bernie vs Biden alone might actually possibly help going forward.
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mutata posted:Still going to work for Bernie. Next primary is in less than a week. If I still think he's the right choice I gotta keep working for it. Sincerely: keep up the good fight! 
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