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Mel Mudkiper posted:That is a very angry post about a point I wasnt making and maybe you should calm down then perhaps explain what your point was instead of being coy
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ulvir posted:then perhaps explain what your point was instead of being coy I've learned not to engage in good faith with people already determined to angrily disagree
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I've learned not to engage in good faith with people already determined to angrily disagree i’m wondering in earnest though
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ulvir posted:i’m wondering in earnest though K. I am happy to engage with you. I probably chose the wrong the word when I said "obsess" What I was trying to get at it is that in 18th century literature consumption was often the way authors evoked the idea of tragic fragility of life. If a character was to die tragically young, the vast majority of time the killer was consumption. Now, of course a large part of this was that consumption was physically the most lethal killer of people "before their time" during that era. However, what is interesting about reading these books, to me, as a modern reader, is how, now that consumption as a physical reality in the Western World is mostly gone, the ever presence of the disease is almost symbolic. Consumption is less a disease than the the ideological representation of early death itself. It is a metaphorical shorthand for the cruelty and uncertainty of life. In modern fiction, cancer takes that role. If a character in a Victorian novel had to die tragically, they would die tragically of consumption. Now, its cancer. Again, a lot of that is because in reality cancer is one of the most lethal diseases and everyone knows someone who has died or suffered from it. However, I wonder, if cancer is ever cured, if cancer will take that same sort of strange role in a future reader that consumption does to a contemporary reader as being less a disease and more of a narrative tool
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Did HIV/AIDs take the place of cancer in the 80's/90's? Can't say I've read too much Lit from that era. Or have there been other trends like this?
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Franchescanado posted:Did HIV/AIDs take the place of cancer in the 80's/90's? Can't say I've read too much Lit from that era. Or have there been other trends like this? I mean, Rent literally turned consumption into AIDS but I cannot recall it ever being a near universal metaphor for death in fiction the way cancer is
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Mel Mudkiper posted:However, I wonder, if cancer is ever cured, if cancer will take that same sort of strange role in a future reader that consumption does to a contemporary reader as being less a disease and more of a narrative tool It will be replaced by people accidentally shooting themselves /each other I'd imagine.
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can tuberculosis be a dragonhallelujah posted:idk who needs to hear this, but i'm doing a livewatch of ralph bakshi's wizards (1977) in byob i...thought this was a children's movie
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chernobyl kinsman posted:can tuberculosis be a dragon Careful we dont sham to go on another passive aggressive pedant shitfit (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mel Mudkiper posted:K. I am happy to engage with you. In light of this good explanation, the actual problem word in your OP was "bizarre" because there's really nothing bizarre about it, as you quite clearly point out.
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chernobyl kinsman posted:i...thought this was a children's movie
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hallelujah posted:it is! bakshi made it to prove that he could do stuff for kids. it was successful enough that they let him do lotr, which was objectively the right decision Fritz The Cat isn't for kids?
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Franchescanado posted:Did HIV/AIDs take the place of cancer in the 80's/90's? Can't say I've read too much Lit from that era. Or have there been other trends like this? It absolutely did. See: Rent, which just rewrote La Boheme replacing consumption with AIDS. Mel Mudkiper posted:I mean, Rent literally turned consumption into AIDS but I cannot recall it ever being a near universal metaphor for death in fiction the way cancer is There is a whole subgenre of AIDS lit often set in New York during the crisis. It's just not a genre that lasted long -- once it was really taking off the cure came along. You see it with diseases of all stripes really. See: The Plague, Love in the Time of Cholera Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Feb 27, 2020 |
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Aagh holy poo poo the ending of "Brighton Rock" Jesus gently caress. I'd forgotten about the record and now it damned the Boy to hell lmao. It starts out as a thriller, turns into a detective novel, gets mixed 50-60 into one of Greene's "Catholic novels", is a love story, and then basically in the last few bits gets a horror story punch-line. As interpreted by me, of course, a known idiot.
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speaking of dated ways to die, are there any good novels set in the 20th century with serious pistol duels? as in, the duel isn't an archaic absurdity played for laughs. the magic mountain's the only one that comes to mind. pushkin house by andrei bitov features a duel that's deservedly treated as stupid and ridiculous because it's set in 1960s leningrad i just want to know what the turning point was for duels becoming ridiculous
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Franchescanado posted:Fair enough! But they posted about Bakshi in the CineD animation thread literally the day before they invited the book forum to watch a movie with them, and did not post it in the animation thread. People like watch-alongs in CineD.
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Karenina posted:speaking of dated ways to die, are there any good novels set in the 20th century with serious pistol duels? as in, the duel isn't an archaic absurdity played for laughs. the magic mountain's the only one that comes to mind. pushkin house by andrei bitov features a duel that's deservedly treated as stupid and ridiculous because it's set in 1960s leningrad Radetzky March by Joseph Roth has a pistol duel between two army officers in the years before ww1. The first world war might be the end of the duel, with war and battle turning from an honourable thing with colourful uniforms and duels and so on into the modern industrial hell. Could 1918 or -14 be said to be the end of the 19th century, in the way that the 90's ended on 9/11?
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When did the Nazi sword dueling for bragging scars stop?
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Syncopated posted:Could 1918 or -14 be said to be the end of the 19th century, in the way that the 90's ended on 9/11? Well, yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_nineteenth_century Speaking of Radetzky March, I wanted to like that a lot more than I did. The milieu is interesting, but the narrative and prose were uninteresting and subpar for a literary classic of some sort
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Ras Het posted:Well, yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_nineteenth_century I figured I wasn't the first to have that idea. Agreed on the book.
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Syncopated posted:Radetzky March by Joseph Roth has a pistol duel between two army officers in the years before ww1. The first world war might be the end of the duel, with war and battle turning from an honourable thing with colourful uniforms and duels and so on into the modern industrial hell. good to know! 1914/1918 sounds fitting. the duel in MM itself isn't a "straight" pistol duel and is more evoking the demise of old europe, anyway, what with neither of them actually shooting at the other. the liberal humanist fires in the air; the radical shoots himself in the head.
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I had a friend come over and ask me why I had a book named babyfucker
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Jerry Cotton posted:When did the Nazi sword dueling for bragging scars stop? it didn't. it's not nazi (and it existed long before the nazis) but it still happens in some fraternities in germany. i met a guy with a scar from one in dresden
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I would 100% sword fight for scars
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Are all of Nabokov's other books referenced in Pale Fire? I've only read Lolita and Pnin, but both of these have shown up.
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Syncopated posted:Are all of Nabokov's other books referenced in Pale Fire? I've only read Lolita and Pnin, but both of these have shown up. Iirc he references some of his short stories as well. And as usual, there's his favorite themes of butterflies, mirrors, doubles, etc that are prominent in his other works.
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Could we consider a Ligotti thread separate from the horror thread?
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There's also a cosmic horror thread but the threads are more or less interchangeable and He is everywhere.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Could we consider a Ligotti thread separate from the horror thread? I wouldn't be opposed to a separate one, but I'm not sure we really need one, the horror thread is hardly that busy and I think most of the people who follow it aren't bothered by any kind of deep-dive discussion into ligotti. That said, making threads is cheap, if you do make one be sure to link it in the horror thread. anilEhilated posted:There's also a cosmic horror thread but the threads are more or less interchangeable and He is everywhere. Yeah that thread is pretty much dead, I've debated closing it every couple of months, but every time I do, someone happens to post in it. I figured there's no harm in keeping it open in any case.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Could we consider a Ligotti thread separate from the horror thread? we do not need yet another horror thread
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Okay fair, carry on. I suppose I should read some of his work someday so I can join in the fanclub
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StrixNebulosa posted:Okay fair, carry on. I suppose I should read some of his work someday so I can join in the fanclub If it helps, his prose is great, and while he's grim as hell his stories are often surprisingly funny, too. The one I'm reading now is basically some weirdo babbling at length about alchemy to a prostitute, and includes a scene where he has to awkwardly play dumb about being in the red light district while talking to a cop.
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MockingQuantum posted:The one I'm reading now is basically some weirdo babbling at length about alchemy to a prostitute, and includes a scene where he has to awkwardly play dumb about being in the red light district while talking to a cop.
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So I take it back, I'm 100% on board for a separate ligotti thread, but only if avs is the only one allowed to post in it, and is in fact required to post in it
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MockingQuantum posted:So I take it back, I'm 100% on board for a separate ligotti thread, but only if avs is the only one allowed to post in it, and is in fact required to post in it
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Three other day I saw a guy on the bus reading a new hardback book. I believe it had to do with our perception of reality. It was mostly a black and white cover. Does anyone know what I'm describing? I found it - The Case Against Reality me your dad fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Mar 6, 2020 |
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me your dad posted:I found it unreal
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