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One of the big reasons to get in on a Kickstarter in my opinion is to save a lot of money. Its a fair compromise if you're going to be an investor that essentially gets to hold zero accountability if the project goes to poo poo. With this Kickstarter though, the most you can save is $90 on the $900 pledge. It's not a good deal at all and just furthers the argument to wait for these models to hit retail.
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Iron Crowned posted:From the very bottom of the Kickstarter under "delivery schedule": I feel like that confirms what I said I was taking this comment: Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Yeah, and I mentioned it in the Discord but I'm a little uneasy about them saying their going to do four Kickstarters a year to fund the game. to mean there would be completely separate kickstarters, but I could just be misreading
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Mar 4, 2020 22:10
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It's kind of both:Warcaster Kickstarter posted:We have an exceptional amount of content planned beyond these initial offerings, and with the success of this project, we will follow with future Kickstarter campaigns to deliver that content we have mapped out. What the Kickstarter refractory period will be isn't clear but it sure reads like Kickstarter is the vehicle they'll be using to kick off each batch of waves.
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Mar 4, 2020 22:15
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:I feel like that confirms what I said I don't disagree  That said, I put in for a battlegroup because I've been itching to get back into miniatures, and why not start with a complete army?
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Mar 4, 2020 22:16
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Have they said anything anywhere about a rules download so we can look it over before the end of the kickstarter?
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Mar 4, 2020 22:19
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It seems so strange to me that they don't have that yet. They've got a Gameplay section on the Warcaster site but it's so incomplete I wonder why they bothered putting up as much as they have.
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Mar 4, 2020 22:26
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Iron Crowned posted:I don't disagree oh, mb rantmo posted:It's kind of both: I think this would kill any retail store's desire to carry the product
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Mar 4, 2020 22:32
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rantmo posted:It's kind of both: It's in the first update; "This will not be the last Warcaster Kickstarter. As you can see by how we have structured the rewards in waves, we are Kickstarting four months worth of content. Our plan is to do this every three to four months, Kickstarting blocks of content ahead of their releases, to ensure we are producing to demand and delivering the product to everyone who wants it."
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Mar 4, 2020 22:40
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PP if you can't afford a new product line don't go begging for fucks sakes.
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Mar 4, 2020 22:41
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The retail tiers look like they're are the exact same discount level I get from distribution, so my locals are probably just going to order through us so they can use our rewards program.
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Mar 4, 2020 23:06
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For_Great_Justice posted:PP if you can't afford a new product line don't go begging for fucks sakes. That's literally how you stay in business. You gotta beg somebody.
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Mar 4, 2020 23:07
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Rulebook's up: https://home.privateerpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/WC-Rulebook.pdf
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Mar 5, 2020 00:20
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So it looks like the 310 tier is a "full" list (in that it gives you 15 units which is what's cited in the rulebook). That's...not too far off what you'd pay for a full WMH list, depending? Plus extra for your faction hero and maybe a second heavy warjack.
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Mar 5, 2020 00:51
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I can’t afford to go in on a full list but I’m sorely tempted by a faction starter box. I need me some sci-fi minis to paint.
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Mar 5, 2020 01:19
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Yeah, very tame KS, but if the $70 tier gets a few free minis from stretch goals then it doesn't look too bad. The alternate jack will surely tempt me, too.
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Mar 5, 2020 01:25
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Pyrolocutus posted:So it looks like the 310 tier is a "full" list (in that it gives you 15 units which is what's cited in the rulebook). That's...not too far off what you'd pay for a full WMH list, depending? Plus extra for your faction hero and maybe a second heavy warjack. You "only" will have a quarter of the amount of minis for the same price. Hella disappointed about the ks, to be honest.
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Mar 5, 2020 01:25
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A bit disappointed in the offerings but I'm in for two starter sets. First kickstarter I've actually ever backed. Probably gonna go for Ironstar and Marchers since I don't want to wait the extra month for the Continuum. I'll pick 'em up at retail.
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Mar 5, 2020 01:53
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Yeah, I'm torn between Marchers and Continuum.
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Mar 5, 2020 02:04
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Read through the rulebook and whatever else can be said about the use of Kickstarter or this campaign in general, the game seems pretty fun. I hope we get a sense of what the various units are like and get some idea of how each faction plays before we have to pick one.
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Mar 5, 2020 05:07
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I'm going to pass on this one. Maybe, hopefully, the game takes off. It looks like waiting for retail prices won't make any difference to the discount they're offering now, so I can shunt the risk without losing out on a discount. Doing a 4 stage kickstarter feels real scummy to me. I was already getting turned off by large developers continually jumping to KS to initally fund games and semi-professional businesses making a habit of using KS for every realease, with pre-planned DLC/Stretch goals. This feels sort of like that to me. On the positive side, they're very much funded for their initial outing, so we're going to get phase 1 for sure. Lock'n'load should be a good barometer of whether the community picks up the game or it fizzles out.
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Mar 5, 2020 05:28
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S.J. posted:Hell yeah! What're you playing? War Room Army Convergence of Cyriss - Old Men With New Bodies Theme: Destruction Initiative 75 / 75 Army 0 / 20 Specialist Father Lucant, The Divinity Architect - WJ: +28 - Corollary - PC: 6 (Battlegroup Points Used: 6) - Inverter - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15) - Conservator - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7) - Galvanizer - PC: 5 Artificer Prime Nemo - Nemo & 3 Arcane Mechaniks: 18 - Arcane Mechaniks - Prime Axiom - PC: 37 - Diffuser - PC: 6 Algorithmic Dispersion Optifex - PC: 0 Algorithmic Dispersion Optifex - PC: 0 Algorithmic Dispersion Optifex - PC: 0 Attunement Servitors - 3 Attunement Servitors: 4 Optifex Directive - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Optifex Directive - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 I lost when Nemo died too Baldwin's feat. If I had feated things would have gone differently, but that's fine. The list has promise. I think I'm going to switch the attunement servitors for twice as many accretion servitors for maximum hot shield guard action.
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Mar 5, 2020 06:27
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I like the idea behind the list. I do think the Axiom costs too many points still, but that's not the end of the world. e: Using Kickstarter to gauge initial production isn't something I'd complain about. They said before the KS that the game would be hitting retail anyways. I'm excited because the retail tiers look like they're at my normal distribution discounts so I can have my locals all order through us.
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Mar 5, 2020 06:50
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I read the rules and this looks like a really sweet middle ground between WM & Monsterpocalypse. Any tips on convincing all of my friends who dropped out of WM/H to spend $70 on six models?
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Mar 5, 2020 23:45
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smug jeebus posted:I read the rules and this looks like a really sweet middle ground between WM & Monsterpocalypse. Any tips on convincing all of my friends who dropped out of WM/H to spend $70 on six models? Low model count, alternating activations, scenario focus, extremely small, clean rulebook (that they can look at the basic version of right now), and two starter sets are enough to play a full sized skirmish game with.
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Mar 6, 2020 00:01
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it'll probably help if you could get a couple of starters so you can demo it to them in the near future
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Mar 6, 2020 00:11
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Hopefully it stays small and people don't try to play high point games. Watching a 100 point mk2 game was watching everything wrong with the game all at once.
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Mar 6, 2020 00:20
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For_Great_Justice posted:Hopefully it stays small and people don't try to play high point games. Watching a 100 point mk2 game was watching everything wrong with the game all at once. I mean... I'm sure someone will try, but nobody took that stuff seriously. Mega Battles can be fun if they're cool unique events, but a full size game is just 15 units per side, and with the customization options on jacks, you can cheat around buying multiples for a little while.
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Mar 6, 2020 00:23
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smug jeebus posted:I read the rules and this looks like a really sweet middle ground between WM & Monsterpocalypse. Any tips on convincing all of my friends who dropped out of WM/H to spend $70 on six models? It will surely hit $300,000, putting it up to a marginally more palatable seven models. I'm hoping further stretch goals continue to nudge up the value so I can convince myself it's worth it!
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Mar 6, 2020 00:23
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The games to me just felt like the extreme "I want 40k sized games" in a system really not built with that intent. Mk2, to me, felt like skirmsh to medium sized armies, 35 points mk2 felt right but settled on 50 because MORE.
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Mar 6, 2020 00:25
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For_Great_Justice posted:The games to me just felt like the extreme "I want 40k sized games" in a system really not built with that intent. 50 point Mk2 games were definitely smaller than the 'big' Mk1 games, fwiw, but that's partially because of the pivot towards forcing people to take a battlegroup. But: alternating activations helps alleviate a lot of the problems of the smaller Mk2 games where a single overpowered caster can win the game by themself.
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Mar 6, 2020 00:26
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Alternative activations might help more in given scale. I honestly wish 40k would adopt this in the whole thing vs just combat. Alternative shooting would help mitigate turn 1 alphas so much an it'd be much more engaging overall.
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Mar 6, 2020 01:02
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:it'll probably help if you could get a couple of starters so you can demo it to them in the near future That's my entire reasoning behind getting two starter sets. It's not the worst deal in miniature gaming, but $70 for a starter set is a bit steep, certainly.
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Mar 6, 2020 01:26
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Looking at the model count, the $130 level, it's like getting two starter sets without the tokens and rules, so you could probably do a basic two player game, although it's with the same faction.
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Mar 6, 2020 01:49
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For_Great_Justice posted:Alternative activations might help more in given scale. Yeah, they did that in AoS with combat, but at this point 40k would have to be seriously restructured for that. I think it really needs it though, that game is toxic as hell.
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Mar 6, 2020 05:19
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I don't really know where to place Warcaster. Feels like it and Riot Quest occupy similar scales? At least, if I had to chose, it would be Riot Quest or Warcaster, but not both.
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Mar 6, 2020 05:41
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Serenade posted:I don't really know where to place Warcaster. Feels like it and Riot Quest occupy similar scales? At least, if I had to chose, it would be Riot Quest or Warcaster, but not both. That's probably fair, although they really don't feel anything like each other to me. Riot Quest felt like playing smash bros with items on.
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Mar 6, 2020 05:42
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FrostyPox posted:That's my entire reasoning behind getting two starter sets. yeah it's a bit rough. I think $35 - $50 is the ideal price range
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Mar 6, 2020 05:48
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https://home.privateerpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/WC-Rulebook.pdf https://home.privateerpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/CypherCards_PlayTest.pdf https://home.privateerpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/CommandGroupStarterPTDocs.pdf Basic rules and cards are all up. Some pretty neat interactions for the starters. I still like the Continuum quite a bit so far, stealth and debuffs are cool. It's harder to give stealth and ghostly out to the unit than I had hoped though. The Marchers stuff seems to have quite a few special rules with no real downside as far as stats as far as I can tell.
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Mar 6, 2020 06:05
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Not sure how I feel about Charged as far as passives goes, like the Marcher World Hunter's Stealth. Feels like it might be a little too tax-y even if you're getting combat benefits from keeping Arc on there.
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Pyrolocutus posted:Not sure how I feel about Charged as far as passives goes, like the Marcher World Hunter's Stealth. Feels like it might be a little too tax-y even if you're getting combat benefits from keeping Arc on there. Yeah it's going to be very situational, especially in larger games. The Marcher's Weaver might have the grossest ability in the basic game though, being able to shove 3 ARC onto something can make for some explosive swings
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