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Ola posted:The huge BMW kidneys is apparently the Chinese market's doing. Which makes sense. If you achieve status by flaunting a logo and there's a billion and a half competitors, the logo needs to be big. I wonder if you can pay extra for shame delete in other markets. Yeah, just make an Alpina version that's identical except for the grill and badge. Or just sell the hideous version in China and give the rest of the world the normal version.
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https://twitter.com/Tweetermeyer/status/1235257017243181057?s=20
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quote:GM is aggregating public charger networks like ChargePoint and EVgo into its myChevrolet mobile app and enabling in-app payment at EVgo chargers. This sounds less integrated than Ford is doing with Electrify America.
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If my experience with the OnStar app is in any way indicative of GM tech generally or MyChevrolet speficically, gently caress THAT poo poo.
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I just got an email from Costco:quote:For a limited time, eligible Costco members who purchase or lease a new 2019 Audi e‑tron by March 31, 2020, can receive:1
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GM came out swinging big today. 10 total models, including several for Cadillac and Buick. Third gen ev platform supports 50-200 kWh packs with up to 350 kW charging. They are dumping $20 billion into this. All 10 models will be in production by 2025 I believe. Next gen Bolt EV gets a fully redone interior with soft touch materials, massively improved seats, and adaptive cruise control available. 259 mile range with 150 kW DC fast charging. There will be a Bolt CUV with 3" more ground clearance and 5" longer total. Bolt crossover version will also feature Cadillac Super Cruise, being the first brand outside Caddy to have it. They said battery prices on new architecture start around $120/kWh with a clear path to $100/kwh. Every cell has a BMS system. One of your cells goes bad, the pack can be opened and hotswapped, even if it's not the same chemistry. Lots of scattered info between these pages covering it. https://electrek.co/2020/03/04/gm-reveals-10-new-production-evs-all-at-once-with-range-up-to-400-miles/ https://www.evspecifications.com/en/news/04a628f https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/4/21164513/gm-ev-platform-architecture-battery-ultium-tesla https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/general-motors/2020/03/04/gm-spend-billions-evs-autonomous-vehicles-2025/4950451002/ Westy543 fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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Mar 4, 2020 22:08
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Westy543 posted:Next gen Bolt EV gets a fully redone interior with soft touch materials, massively improved seats, and adaptive cruise control available. 259 mile range with 150 kW DC fast charging. WHY IS THIS GOING TO TAKE EIGHT loving YEARS? Good for GM though, it’s good to see someone taking it seriously.
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MrYenko posted:WHY IS THIS GOING TO TAKE EIGHT loving YEARS? I thought the 2021 was going to have the interior redesign.
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ClassH posted:I thought the 2021 was going to have the interior redesign. That's what I'm reading too. Seems like the gen 2 is upon us this year.
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Mar 4, 2020 22:40
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Really glad I leased my 2020 Bolt.
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Mar 5, 2020 01:13
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Westy543 posted:GM came out swinging big today. 10 total models, including several for Cadillac and Buick. Third gen ev platform supports 50-200 kWh packs with up to 350 kW charging. They are dumping $20 billion into this. All 10 models will be in production by 2025 I believe. Now all we need is a widespread network of high-speed CCS chargers which don't mark up the electricity by a crazy amount, and Tesla will have real competition.
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Mar 5, 2020 01:59
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Cockmaster posted:Now all we need is a widespread network of high-speed CCS chargers which don't mark up the electricity by a crazy amount, and Tesla will have real competition. DCFC is only needed for long distance travel, it's alright if it costs a bit more than Tesla supercharging. I definitely agree with you on the scarcity of the current networks out there, though.
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I'd imagine with GM and Ford investing so heavily in EVs we'll see them start backing charging networks in the US. I'm kinda surprised one of the big oil co's hasn't started their own network to be installed at their gas station franchises, I know they don't mean it, but they sure do love waving their dicks about paying lipservice to being big into renewable energy.
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I like oil companies because I like to stay alive and have access to food and goods, but gently caress Shell for various reasons that I won't go into. That said, they bought NewMotion a few years ago so they already have a charging network in Europe, and I'm pretty sure they bought some Californian company that had something to do with charging and EVs, but I forget which one. Seriously though, I even avoid their gas stations unless I have to use one.
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gently caress oil companies in general Nfcknblvbl posted:DCFC is only needed for long distance travel, it's alright if it costs a bit more than Tesla supercharging. I definitely agree with you on the scarcity of the current networks out there, though. Not everyone has home charging or work charging, or even a fixed parking spot, so it'll be needed within cities too.
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Westy543 posted:gently caress oil companies in general DCFC within cities should be around ~50 kW, and plentiful, so that those without reliable charging don't charge at 2C+ every week. Outside of the cities, they should be 150 kW at the least. Edit: Like Ola said, it sucks to rely on DCFC locally. One major reason is the battery's likely going to be cold, so it's not like you're going to get max speed any way. Nfcknblvbl fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Mar 5, 2020 |
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Mar 5, 2020 05:12
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Westy543 posted:gently caress oil companies in general Having to go to a fast charging station to fill up like gas on the regular is a major pain. What you want for city parking is slow charging in public parking spots.
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Westy543 posted:Not everyone has home charging or work charging, or even a fixed parking spot, so it'll be needed within cities too. DCFC is not a good solution for daily use. It's far too resource intensive and terrible for the grid due to unpredictable high loads in limited areas. Is also too time intensive - sure I'm happy about a 20 minute break every few hours on a road trip, but between work and picking the kids up from wherever kids go these days? Too much hassle. Also everyone would be trying to charge at that time, it would be chaos. The only reason to use DCFC for daily use is to emulate gas station usage patterns. Ubiquitous level 2 charging stations is a much better solution. Much cheaper to make, deploy, service, and find room for. Put them in lamp posts when they get upgraded from incandescent to LED. Put them in every parking spot in parking structures. Incentivise businesses to put them in every employee parking spot. E;f,b. That's what I get for writing so much.
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Elviscat posted:I'm kinda surprised one of the big oil co's hasn't started their own network to be installed at their gas station franchises, I know they don't mean it, but they sure do love waving their dicks about paying lipservice to being big into renewable energy. Circle K is doing this in Europe.
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pun pundit posted:DCFC is not a good solution for daily use. It's far too resource intensive and terrible for the grid due to unpredictable high loads in limited areas. Is also too time intensive - sure I'm happy about a 20 minute break every few hours on a road trip, but between work and picking the kids up from wherever kids go these days? Too much hassle. Also everyone would be trying to charge at that time, it would be chaos. The only reason to use DCFC for daily use is to emulate gas station usage patterns. While I strongly agree, I don't see anyone wanting to actually build level 2s everywhere. The ideal default should be A Plug In Every Spot (or close to it). At some point we will get to a point where it is a norm to install a plug in all parking spaces. Unfortunately we're quite a ways off from that I feel. Whereas a few DCFC in cities will go a long ways towards alleviating pain, especially if you can add most of the miles you'd spend on errands and commute for the week while you're getting groceries / eating out. One really great implementation here in Fremont is at the BART station, there are 40ish level 2 stations. You can just plug in all day and be charged per kWh at wholesale, and come back to your car full. San Jose has agreed to build 1,400 level 2 stations around the city, but I don't know where those are going to go. Right now you can basically draw a 1:1 map across San Jose with public charger density and wealth. Apartment complexes in my area are actually starting to lose business because they're not accommodating EV charging. AN ASIDE: Tesla is rolling out tons of Model Ys! I took some pictures earlier on my lunch break, they all look like performance Ys by the red calipers:   
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Mar 5, 2020 09:53
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A plug in every parking spot isn't anything new, and already exists where there is the will and the need. 
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Finger Prince posted:A plug in every parking spot isn't anything new, and already exists where there is the will and the need. Yup. Guessing that is from Sweden or Finland where block heaters are very common.
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Ola posted:Yup. Guessing that is from Sweden or Finland where block heaters are very common. Prairie provinces of Canada too.
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Yeah. Bit harder when it comes to street parking though as you can't have cables running over sidewalks. But at those types of parking spaces they really should roll them out. A slight problem is a also how to and who should pay for it. A simple socket will be much cheaper than having boxes with payment methods that some company is handling. I wish I could charge at home on the street though as it would make it much easier to max my PHEV capability.
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MrOnBicycle posted:Yeah. Bit harder when it comes to street parking though as you can't have cables running over sidewalks. But at those types of parking spaces they really should roll them out. A slight problem is a also how to and who should pay for it. A simple socket will be much cheaper than having boxes with payment methods that some company is handling. I wish I could charge at home on the street though as it would make it much easier to max my PHEV capability. In Oslo, they have mode 3 charging stations on the sidewalk with app-driven payment for usage, works fairly well. The city council paid for the installation of those charging stations, though, and the cost per hour is only barely above power cost, iirc. That being said, they're mostly 3.6 kW and lately the green party pushed through some changes that means that you can only park there for 3 hours during the workday. Super convenient. Not. Wibla fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Mar 5, 2020 |
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Wibla posted:
That's because EV infrastructure improvements are clashing with policies for reduced city traffic. There are still plenty of parking garages where you can stay all day.
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Mar 5, 2020 14:05
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 New electric 500. 42kWh, 200m range, 0-62 in 9s and the launch edition is €38k lol
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Mar 5, 2020 14:17
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is it bad if i really like thos wheels
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Ola posted:That's because EV infrastructure improvements are clashing with policies for reduced city traffic. There are still plenty of parking garages where you can stay all day. Sure, and you pay out the nose for parking there  mobby_6kl posted:
200 meters? improvement from the old one then... Does it support DCFC too?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:is it bad if i really like thos wheels Wibla posted:Sure, and you pay out the nose for parking there Sure, I don't see why you couldn't put a sticker like this on it.  Anyway, I forgot to link the article: https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/all-new-all-electric-fiat-500
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mobby_6kl posted:That’s certainly not the strangest thing, though. You’ll be well aware that under EU law, all EVs must produce some form of noise at low speeds to make pedestrians aware of their presence. Most go with some sort of spaceship tone, but apparently the 500 will play the music of Amarcord by Nino Rota when pootling around below 12mph. We actually don’t know what to say. Is Fiat having us on? Top Gear posted:That’s certainly not the strangest thing, though. You’ll be well aware that under EU law, all EVs must produce some form of noise at low speeds to make pedestrians aware of their presence. Most go with some sort of spaceship tone, but apparently the 500 will play the music of Amarcord by Nino Rota when pootling around below 12mph. We actually don’t know what to say. Is Fiat having us on? 
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Well finally the Fiat 500 is looking mean too! Can't have enough mean looking cars on the road! Who needs a friendly face? Nobody! Thats who!
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The deafening silence about the centoventi is kinda making me reconsider going for a fiat bev next year, I cannot fit in a current 500 let alone in a more cramped one due to the extra battery pack.
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Is GM going to be the first company to profitably sell EVs?
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MomJeans420 posted:Is GM going to be the first company to profitably sell EVs? Nissan Leaf is already profitable
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Finger Prince posted:Prairie provinces of Canada too. That was my guess - someplace like Edmonton or Winterpeg. Apparently there's been a standing joke for 30+ years about using these block heater receptacles to convince southern tourists that we all drive EVs up here. (To our igloos, no doubt).
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Why would someone get this over an ID3 or a model3sr+? Will they have low lease terms?
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Qwijib0 posted:Nissan Leaf is already profitable I thought that was only on a basis of cost to produce vs sales price, not if you include R&D, but don't quote me on that
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Nostalgic Cashew posted:Why would someone get this over an ID3 or a model3sr+? Same reason you'd get a fossil 500. Because you, or your dad, have lots of money and you want a small city car that's cool in addition to the X5, Range Rover or whatever. Ola fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Mar 5, 2020 |
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