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Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Jon Joe posted:

The problem with all leftist organization in the US right now is that it holds the same sense of superiority held by any other organization, though in this case doing so is actively detrimental to its cause. There are no attempts made to reach out to and actively recruit the most harmed members of society. Meetings are held but nobody makes sure the homeless come. Theory is discussed but nobody writes letters to prisoners to share theory.

The importance of local politics is emphasized, but nobody offers support or guidance to new members who want to help but have no idea how.

Whether or not you believe there is a leadership problem, there is most definitely a membership problem. The problem is not and has never been a left that can�t make inroads, its a left that doesn�t even try.

this is a pretty common thing to do? it can be hard to sometimes depending on the prison to include theory because some retaliate against prisoners depending on the content of incoming letters

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Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Zas posted:

yeah, if you're a short sighted america focused 60s style new left revisionist. generational focus is reactionary and undialectical

somebody over the age of 35 spotted

# ? Mar 5, 2020 22:14

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

I�m not even 30 but think you�re being dumb

# ? Mar 5, 2020 22:16

T-man: Aug 22, 2010; Talk shit, get bzzzt.

GalacticAcid posted:

I�m not even 30 but think you�re being dumb

you lock your own thread to backseat mod when things get interesting, you might have the body of a <30 yo but you got big boomer energy friend

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# ? Mar 5, 2020 22:18

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

You are a tedious moron.

# ? Mar 5, 2020 22:21

THS: Sep 15, 2017

im over 30 and i absolutely think i should be killed and no one should trust me

# ? Mar 5, 2020 22:38

lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020

what thread

# ? Mar 5, 2020 22:43

Mr. Lobe: Feb 23, 2007; ... Dry bones...

Most of the men I find attractive are over 30 and therefore rarely share my politics but I have in my time seduced my share of Gen-Xers to more radical views and therefore do not believe them to be entirely hopeless

I'm not that hot, after all

# ? Mar 5, 2020 22:43

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

lumpentroll posted:

what thread

guillotine.txt. its a lesser trafficked thread and I close it when there�s unchecked multi page derails / meltdowns.

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:07

Terrorist Fistbump: Jan 29, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo

Whatever happened to good old fashioned labor organizing

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:13

Terrorist Fistbump: Jan 29, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo

(I actually know what happened but it's a question that needs to be asked when people are avoiding it in the communist thread.)

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:14

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

gabriel winant posted:

OUR ACCOUNTS OF HEROIC social movements tend to begin at the moment of insurgency, when the cameras show up. The years of bitter, lonely, and seemingly futile struggle get the Ken Burns treatment less often. Even of the heroic age of SNCC in Mississippi, the historian Charles Payne writes, �Field reports are filled with stories of spending day after day dragging from house to house without a single positive response to show for it. Most people were simply afraid and confused but reluctant to admit it.� One organizer reported in 1962 that for every hundred people they spoke to, ten agreed to register to vote, three showed up, �and those three were frightened away from the courthouse by the sheriff.� This is not the epic narrative we are taught. But it is the marrow of movement work.

Here�s another story. In the wake of the First Red Scare of 1919�20, the unions were ruined. Their militants were arrested, blacklisted, and deported. Labor�s most prominent political leader, Eugene Debs, was imprisoned for political crime � opposing the war � only a few years after receiving 6 percent of the vote in a presidential election; he ran for President in 1920 from his Georgia cell. The coal miners of West Virginia were gunned down and bombed from the air in 1921. For those who kept the faith in the factories, mills, and mines, fifteen years of ostracism followed. They had no hint that a moment was coming like the 1930s, when small cells of old believers across the country led millions of workers � many of whom had spent years shunning them � to victory.

To keep your wits about you through this kind of process takes, above all, memory. Memory perhaps once resided in the gemeinschaftlich wisdom of the integrated working-class community. On the Lower East Side, or in Back of the Yards, where everyone on the block had basically the same job and the same daily routine and experience, marching in sync to the factory whistle, collective experience needed less formal incorporation to survive. In the steel and coal towns of Pennsylvania, Eastern European workers referred to company police as �Cossacks.� They remembered across generations well enough on their own.

The organic integration of the working-class social world is gone. To remember, and keep remembering, now happens only on purpose. Memory looks like an office, with file cabinets and framed pictures from past victories. It smells like printer ink and sounds like bitter narratives of defeat often repeated, with lessons learned. It costs money to keep, and it takes sustained and uninterrupted time to accumulate. To remember and renew is itself an act of defiance: each dollar in dues money, each hour spent in some interminable meeting, passes the tradition on, despite constant efforts to extinguish it.

Just because a political project is difficult, in other words, doesn�t necessarily mean you�re doing it wrong. It could just be that it�s hard � that the opposition is fearsome and you haven�t cracked it yet. Some kinds of success are bought with a dozen or a hundred failures. The key is to be there for the next round, and to know a chance when you see it.

Who Works for the Workers?, Gabriel Winant, Fall 2016

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:18

dex_sda: Oct 11, 2012

Mr. Lobe posted:

Most of the men I find attractive are over 30 and therefore rarely share my politics but I have in my time seduced my share of Gen-Xers to more radical views and therefore do not believe them to be entirely hopeless

I'm not that hot, after all

this take on praxis may have gone too far

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:25

Mr. Lobe: Feb 23, 2007; ... Dry bones...

Terrorist Fistbump posted:

Whatever happened to good old fashioned labor organizing

If this is directed at me, I am an active member of SEIU, I just can't help but talk politics in my private life as well because it's basically the main thing I think about

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:32

Mr. Lobe: Feb 23, 2007; ... Dry bones...

dex_sda posted:

this take on praxis may have gone too far

I say it hasn't gone far enough!

After all, it doesn't have much impact outside users of the Scruff app within 5 miles of me

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:34

dex_sda: Oct 11, 2012

my hobbies? honeypotting hot studs into communism, baby :smug:

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:36

Terrorist Fistbump: Jan 29, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo

It wasn't directed at anyone in particular. It just gets lost in these conversations about what is to be done too frequently despite being, to me at least, the obvious place to focus time and energy.

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:39

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

I used to talk politics constantly IRL, idk what happened. I just can't do it anymore.

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:40

Mr. Lobe: Feb 23, 2007; ... Dry bones...

GalacticAcid posted:

I used to talk politics constantly IRL, idk what happened. I just can't do it anymore.

What happened when you tried talking politics when you could?

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:50

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

Several of my friends & coworkers became radicalized, committed activists lol

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:52

Mr. Lobe: Feb 23, 2007; ... Dry bones...

GalacticAcid posted:

Several of my friends & coworkers became radicalized, committed activists lol

That's cool

maybe you don't talk politics anymore because you reached saturation point with them?

Wouldn't stop me though because basically bring able to talk to actual humans about these things is one of the few things that keeps me grounded in this obscene joke of a world

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:56

dex_sda: Oct 11, 2012

i mostly avoided talking politics irl until recently and doing it massively improved my life - turns out most of my friends are at least mildly leftist so there's a good conversation there and it gives me a bit of hope in humanity :shrug:

key is not to overdo it, it can be exhausting

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Emmideer: Oct 20, 2011; Lovely night, no?; Grimey Drawer

I talk politics irl to self-detriment.

# ? Mar 6, 2020 00:06

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

I usually open with "I believe only the third world working class is capable of overthrowing the globally hegemonic capitalist system via an extremely violent takeover of the means of production and society writ large" and just kind of see where that leads

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Peanut President: Nov 5, 2008; by Athanatos

"did you know that ukraine deserved the holodomor" has gotten me lots of dates (with the us criminal justice system)

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Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

you all have people to talk to????

# ? Mar 6, 2020 00:33

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Karl Barks posted:

I usually open with "I believe only the third world working class is capable of overthrowing the globally hegemonic capitalist system via an extremely violent takeover of the means of production and society writ large" and just kind of see where that leads

to my bedroom!

# ? Mar 6, 2020 00:38

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

Mr. Lobe posted:

maybe you don't talk politics anymore because you reached saturation point with them?

big part of it with my closest friends, yea.

but there was a time i felt really confident discussing politics with just about everybody though, and usually felt like i managed to do a good job of presenting my views and maybe planting some doubt / interest in others. Now though, idk why, totally lost that touch / confidence. i'm sure it'll come back and i'll dive back in at some point

# ? Mar 6, 2020 00:40

Emmideer: Oct 20, 2011; Lovely night, no?; Grimey Drawer

I don�t consider my job done until my now radicalized friends disown me for being a revisionist.

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Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Lightning Knight posted:

everyone over the age of 35 is counter revolutionary scum

That's right
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GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

Homeless Friend posted:

That's right
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# ? Mar 6, 2020 04:59

Percelus: Sep 9, 2012; My command, your wish is

you really can't trust americans to accurately label their political beliefs, they're all way more conservative than they realize or admit and some of the non c-spam political threads make it painfully obvious

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Algund Eenboom: May 4, 2014

The Cspam ones make it obvious too

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Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

friendship ended with progressive, now leftist is my best friend

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Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Percelus posted:

you really can't trust americans to accurately label their political beliefs, they're all way more conservative than they realize or admit and some of the non c-spam political threads make it painfully obvious

this dead, gay forum is not a great cross section of US society

# ? Mar 6, 2020 05:48

Mia Wasikowska: Oct 7, 2006

Lightning Knight posted:

somebody over the age of 35 spotted

its shameful for a mod to blaspheme against the immortal science in the lf thread. gently caress you

# ? Mar 6, 2020 05:51

Mia Wasikowska: Oct 7, 2006

awwww my 80 yo jewish socialist candidate for head hitler got beat because of boomers, time to adopt the boomer's own moronic political philosophy of generational struggle

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Finicums Wake: Mar 13, 2017; Can't post for 8 years!

any truly materialist science would balk at the notion of immortality, imo

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Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Mein Kohorte

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Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Atrocious Joe posted:

this dead, gay forum is not a great cross section of US society

It isn't but if you look at the rest of the US...it isn't very hopeful. I would say SA is an oddity because some open criticism of the US is still allowed.

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