Warhammer 40,000: 8th Time's the Charm

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gredgie: Dec 9, 2012; Is there any in this rout
with authority to treat with me?

Ah, so the fact that it's ridiculously difficult to miss attacks with them is the actual idea.

I'd have just felt like a cheat if I said "well at least 21 attacks hit so I'm going to say all the models hit with all their attacks" without confirmation

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Booley: Apr 25, 2010; I CAN BARELY MAKE IT A WEEK WITHOUT ACTING LIKE AN ASSHOLE; Grimey Drawer

gredgie posted:

Ah, so the fact that it's ridiculously difficult to miss attacks with them is the actual idea.

I'd have just felt like a cheat if I said "well at least 21 attacks hit so I'm going to say all the models hit with all their attacks" without confirmation .

No. They make 21d3 separate hit rolls.

# ? Mar 5, 2020 18:02

SpikeMcclane: Sep 11, 2005; You want the story?
I'll spin it for you quick...

To be clear: each attacking model gets 2d3 attacks, except the endurant who gets 3d3. Thats between 21 and 63 attacks, average 42 for a unit of 10. They hit on whatever the weapon skill is. You probably are rerolling any that would miss thanks to zealot.

SpikeMcclane fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Mar 5, 2020

# ? Mar 5, 2020 18:11

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
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I'll lead you to the promised land.

JackMann posted:

Omnissian Cadillacs? Is that the dunerider?

Yeah! They look like big golden age sedans

# ? Mar 5, 2020 22:54

I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

Mephiston posted:

I'll join in the "I hosed up painting white" plus "robes and primaris armour" party.

Something to try, my go to white as an inexperienced painter is spray can corax white.

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:11

goose willis: Jun 14, 2015; Get ready for teh wacky laughz0r!

Hybridized Weaponry custom sept trait, mixed with triple flamer crisis suits: effective, or just funny? Having a nine suit team with triple flamers on each means 27d6 bolter shots on deep strike, and again if they get charged lmao

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:27

Strobe: Jun 30, 2014; GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Just funny. Lots of bullets to kill lots of infantry is still done pretty efficiently with Burst Cannons, and then you don't have to use a Sept trait on still getting hard countered by Infiltrators.

Also

goose willis posted:

lmao

FFS get a less irritating gimmick.

# ? Mar 5, 2020 23:43

TheBigAristotle: Feb 8, 2007; I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.; Grimey Drawer

Hot Karl Marx posted:

I got an assassin cause I always thought they were cool and found out I can just bring them for saving 95 pts and 2 CP

I ran an execution force a few weeks ago and it was pretty drat fun. My Vindicare won the game with only a few models left by shooting his pistol in a combat

Eversor failed his 3D6 charge out of deep strike, Callidus failed her 5 inch charge T_T but fun was still had

# ? Mar 6, 2020 00:05

JackMann: Aug 11, 2010; Secure. Contain. Protect.; Fallen Rib

A Wild List Appears!

Fiddled around in Battlescribe, partly based on the stuff I've already painted, but adding in some other things I didn't want to bring in to a 1000 point or less game, and then adding in some Martians based on JBP's suggestions. How does this look?

# ? Mar 6, 2020 01:11

Dr. Red Ranger: Nov 9, 2011; Nap Ghost

Crossposting since I'm looking for some cc if that's ok

Dr. Red Ranger posted:

Hey, I haven't painted anything since 2014, so I picked up a little project to get back into it. I got some of those fancy new plague marines and wanted to use a Nausicaa style theme, like so-

The background will be something like, an old feral world in the middle of nowhere that was used as a Space Marine recruiting ground was invaded by a "great menace from the stars", and the local war ended with a Kryptmann style exterminatus on the world. Everything was dead and dust for millenia until a mysterious cosmic benefactor chanced upon it and took pity on the dead, reseeding the world with ever expanding fungal wastes and toxic forests. In the wake of the new growing ecology, fossils of man and monster alike from millennia past rise with warped forms and unknown purpose, shepherded by Plague Marines, of course. I plan on having insect/tyranid monsters resembling the giant cicadas and dragonflies from Nausicaa as demons, and WHFB skeletons with as plague zombies, representing the bones of the old feral culture rising as well. Hopefully with a fungal tinge to the bones and appropriate growths and corrosion going on so they don't look out of place. So I need a scheme

This is what I have so far. I started with Vulkan Green and worked up from there, thinking I had something good going on, but once the other colors started coming down I realized I may need to make that contrast harder. I used the colors I had on hand to do the Darren Latham corrosion effect and it worked well enough, although what I tried to do on the blades didn't really work out and I'm going to redo them. Same for the bolter; I had an idea but I don't think it really worked out. You can see that I tried to give him a Zaku style cyclops eye but it didn't quite come through either- I did a great deal of relearning about paint consistency and I think that contributed to my difficulty. Blue for the bits matched the reference picture but I'm not sure it was the right color choice for the model either.

Anyone have any suggestions while I'm working this out? Once i get the weapons figured out I need to do basing and I'm worried that it will need to be a brighter, pink/light blue sandy base like the opening of the movie, with cracked earth effects. Learning opportunities!

# ? Mar 6, 2020 02:24

Filthy Hans: Jun 27, 2008; by Fluffdaddy
(and can't post for 10 years!)

Dr. Red Ranger posted:

Crossposting since I'm looking for some cc if that's ok

your power armor green hue is too close to that of the verdegris so it makes the whole thing look sloppy imo

maybe go for a different weathering effect on the bronze bits if you like that particular shade for your armor, maybe some pitting effect with texture paint or some scorch marks instead of the verdegris

Filthy Hans fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Mar 6, 2020

# ? Mar 6, 2020 03:53

Dr. Red Ranger: Nov 9, 2011; Nap Ghost

Filthy Hans posted:

your power armor green hue is too close to that of the verdegris so it makes the whole thing look sloppy imo

maybe go for a different weathering effect on the bronze bits if you like that particular shade for your armor, maybe some pitting effect with texture paint or some scorch marks instead of the verdegris

Thanks. I knew it wasn't looking right once I hit the metal bits.

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fadam: Apr 23, 2008

What models do people usually use for AM Kill Team guys? Specifically guardsmen with plasma guns and a sniper. Is there an easy conversion?

# ? Mar 6, 2020 17:24

DandyLion: Jun 24, 2010; disrespectul Deciever

fadam posted:

What models do people usually use for AM Kill Team guys? Specifically guardsmen with plasma guns and a sniper. Is there an easy conversion?

I went down this route last year.

Forgeworlds got Cadian plasma gunners mod kits en masse if you like the aesthetic: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Cadian-Hostile-Environment-Troops-Plasma-Squad

# ? Mar 6, 2020 17:28

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

fadam posted:

What models do people usually use for AM Kill Team guys? Specifically guardsmen with plasma guns and a sniper. Is there an easy conversion?

Plasma gun I bought the space marine plasma guns and stuck them onto normal guardsmen.

You need the grenade launcher arms though to make it work, and as someone with over 80 guardsmen I had no problem finding them, but if you're starting from scratch you may need two boxes or to get creative.

For snipers, you can buy two cadian snipers as a separate pack.

I also used a marine plasma gun to get two scion plasma gunners (also using the grenade launcher arms from the Scions)

# ? Mar 6, 2020 17:29

fadam: Apr 23, 2008

Kitchner posted:

Plasma gun I bought the space marine plasma guns and stuck them onto normal guardsmen.

You need the grenade launcher arms though to make it work, and as someone with over 80 guardsmen I had no problem finding them, but if you're starting from scratch you may need two boxes or to get creative.

For snipers, you can buy two cadian snipers as a separate pack.

I also used a marine plasma gun to get two scion plasma gunners (also using the grenade launcher arms from the Scions)

Awesome, thanks! A bunch of engineers play at lunch so I thought I�d dig through what remains of my old army and see if I can throw a list together but the only parts I didn�t sell are random goons.

# ? Mar 6, 2020 17:33

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

fadam posted:

Awesome, thanks! A bunch of engineers play at lunch so I thought I’d dig through what remains of my old army and see if I can throw a list together but the only parts I didn’t sell are random goons.

I think this is fairly straightforward on terms of conversion but in case you need it:

https://youtu.be/FH0h-fA_EWE

I will caveat this with the fact Duncan makes this look like the easiest poo poo in the world but its actually quite hard because you need to get the arms just right, and because you need to use superglue there's now sliding poo poo around much after you've stuck in on the model.

# ? Mar 6, 2020 17:37

ThoraxTheImpaler: Aug 13, 2014; CONDESCENDING
ASSHOLE

fadam posted:

What models do people usually use for AM Kill Team guys? Specifically guardsmen with plasma guns and a sniper. Is there an easy conversion?

I've converted guard characters with SM bolt guns in the past and the flamer arms work well. You keep the sling attached and glue it onto the top of whatever gun you want on there, cut out the SM hand and grip and splice on the flamer arm and use the left arm with the peg for extra support. Should work for any SM gun you want to use.

# ? Mar 6, 2020 18:48

Cthulu Carl: Apr 16, 2006

fadam posted:

What models do people usually use for AM Kill Team guys? Specifically guardsmen with plasma guns and a sniper. Is there an easy conversion?

If you're not bound to GW minis I grabbed some sets from Victoria Miniatures. You get a choice of weapons for them, including a kind of special weapon variety pack.

# ? Mar 6, 2020 19:11

gredgie: Dec 9, 2012; Is there any in this rout
with authority to treat with me?

SpikeMcclane posted:

To be clear: each attacking model gets 2d3 attacks, except the endurant who gets 3d3. Thats between 21 and 63 attacks, average 42 for a unit of 10. They hit on whatever the weapon skill is. You probably are rerolling any that would miss thanks to zealot.

What? Why would "chance to hit" mean "extra attacks"? They would just say "extra attacks" in the rule if so.

Arco-flail: Make D3 hit rolls for each attack with this weapon instead of 1.

If the rule didn't exist, an Arco with 2 attacks would roll 2 hit dice, since each attack would have 1 chance to hit. This rule gives you up to 3 chances to hit with each attack, so up to 6 chances to hit with 2 attacks (plus Zealot re-rolls). If 4 dice hit, you've still only got 2 attacks.

# ? Mar 6, 2020 20:17

Strobe: Jun 30, 2014; GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Each hit roll generates its own wound roll. D3 hit rolls = d3 attacks for every intent and purpose.

# ? Mar 6, 2020 20:23

SteelMentor: Oct 15, 2012; TOXIC

gredgie posted:

What? Why would "chance to hit" mean "extra attacks"? They would just say "extra attacks" in the rule if so.

Arco-flail: Make D3 hit rolls for each attack with this weapon instead of 1.

If the rule didn't exist, an Arco with 2 attacks would roll 2 hit dice, since each attack would have 1 chance to hit. This rule gives you up to 3 chances to hit with each attack, so up to 6 chances to hit with 2 attacks (plus Zealot re-rolls). If 4 dice hit, you've still only got 2 attacks.

No, it means you multiply the base attacks each model gets per the amount the weapon specifies as you attack with it.

Take the L.

SteelMentor fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Mar 6, 2020

# ? Mar 6, 2020 20:24

Booley: Apr 25, 2010; I CAN BARELY MAKE IT A WEEK WITHOUT ACTING LIKE AN ASSHOLE; Grimey Drawer

gredgie posted:

What? Why would "chance to hit" mean "extra attacks"? They would just say "extra attacks" in the rule if so.

Arco-flail: Make D3 hit rolls for each attack with this weapon instead of 1.

If the rule didn't exist, an Arco with 2 attacks would roll 2 hit dice, since each attack would have 1 chance to hit. This rule gives you up to 3 chances to hit with each attack, so up to 6 chances to hit with 2 attacks (plus Zealot re-rolls). If 4 dice hit, you've still only got 2 attacks.

If all the hit rolls could only turn into 1 wound it would say so. Each hit roll turns into a separate wound roll, which turns into a separate armor save, which turns into separate damage.

# ? Mar 6, 2020 20:27

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; "From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.; Buglord

gredgie posted:

What? Why would "chance to hit" mean "extra attacks"? They would just say "extra attacks" in the rule if so.

Arco-flail: Make D3 hit rolls for each attack with this weapon instead of 1.

If the rule didn't exist, an Arco with 2 attacks would roll 2 hit dice, since each attack would have 1 chance to hit. This rule gives you up to 3 chances to hit with each attack, so up to 6 chances to hit with 2 attacks (plus Zealot re-rolls). If 4 dice hit, you've still only got 2 attacks.

Mortifier flails work as extra hits according to the FAQ so Acros should be the same

# ? Mar 6, 2020 20:28

Living Image: Apr 24, 2010; HORSE'S ASS

gredgie posted:

What? Why would "chance to hit" mean "extra attacks"? They would just say "extra attacks" in the rule if so.

Arco-flail: Make D3 hit rolls for each attack with this weapon instead of 1.

If the rule didn't exist, an Arco with 2 attacks would roll 2 hit dice, since each attack would have 1 chance to hit. This rule gives you up to 3 chances to hit with each attack, so up to 6 chances to hit with 2 attacks (plus Zealot re-rolls). If 4 dice hit, you've still only got 2 attacks.

read the core rules again and then you'll understand

# ? Mar 6, 2020 20:56

goose willis: Jun 14, 2015; Get ready for teh wacky laughz0r!

If you paid as much attention to your writing as you did to your painting Goonhammer would be a lot more readable

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head58: Apr 1, 2013

goose willis posted:

If you paid as much attention to your writing as you did to your painting Goonhammer would be a lot more readable

Delete your account.

# ? Mar 6, 2020 22:17

Punkinhead: Apr 2, 2015

fadam posted:

What models do people usually use for AM Kill Team guys? Specifically guardsmen with plasma guns and a sniper. Is there an easy conversion?

I just glued a scope onto one of the lasguns and I call the guard holding it a sniper when I need a sniper, otherwise I just count him as a normal guardsman. I also used the grenade-launcher arm/space marine plasma gun trick because I'm drowning in SM bits. If you have any plasma guns without SM hands holding them then you can also just have the left arm cupping the plasma gun while the right arm is throwing a grenade or something.

Doing all of these techniques gave me 2 plasma guns, a grenade launcher, a flamer, and a sniper to go along with the 1 sergeant, vox operator, medic, and two regular plain rear end lasgunners all out of one box of Cadian infantry.

I probably could've converted the extra grenade launcher and flamer to more plasma guns but I just play fluffy open play nonesense, I don't give a poo poo about meta.

# ? Mar 6, 2020 22:20

Ayn Marx: Dec 21, 2012

goose willis posted:

If you paid as much attention to your writing as you did to your painting Goonhammer would be a lot more readable

If you need to heckle, make it funny.

# ? Mar 6, 2020 22:21

Strobe: Jun 30, 2014; GW BRAINWORMS CREW

goose willis posted:

If you paid as much attention to your writing as you did to your painting Goonhammer would be a lot more readable

Pretty confident Goonhammer is doing fine without trying to tap the 3rd grade reading level demographic.

# ? Mar 6, 2020 22:22

Groetgaffel: Oct 30, 2011; Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

goose willis posted:

If you paid as much attention to your writing as you did to your painting Goonhammer would be a lot more readable

# ? Mar 6, 2020 22:23

fadam: Apr 23, 2008

PinheadSlim posted:

I just glued a scope onto one of the lasguns and I call the guard holding it a sniper when I need a sniper, otherwise I just count him as a normal guardsman. I also used the grenade-launcher arm/space marine plasma gun trick because I'm drowning in SM bits. If you have any plasma guns without SM hands holding them then you can also just have the left arm cupping the plasma gun while the right arm is throwing a grenade or something.

Doing all of these techniques gave me 2 plasma guns, a grenade launcher, a flamer, and a sniper to go along with the 1 sergeant, vox operator, medic, and two regular plain rear end lasgunners all out of one box of Cadian infantry.

I probably could've converted the extra grenade launcher and flamer to more plasma guns but I just play fluffy open play nonesense, I don't give a poo poo about meta.

Cool, thanks for tips guys.

Cthulu Carl posted:

If you're not bound to GW minis I grabbed some sets from Victoria Miniatures. You get a choice of weapons for them, including a kind of special weapon variety pack.

Neat, I�ll check this out too.

fadam fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Mar 6, 2020

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Fuegan: Aug 23, 2008

head58 posted:

Delete your account.

# ? Mar 6, 2020 23:06

Living Image: Apr 24, 2010; HORSE'S ASS

goose willis posted:

If you paid as much attention to your writing as you did to your painting Goonhammer would be a lot more readable

when you try and dunk someone it's generally considered good form to make your dunk comprehensible to everyone else

# ? Mar 6, 2020 23:11

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

goose willis posted:

If you paid as much attention to your writing as you did to your painting Goonhammer would be a lot more readable

Goose no chill-is in here

# ? Mar 6, 2020 23:35

Maneck: Sep 11, 2011

Strobe posted:

Pretty confident Goonhammer is doing fine without trying to tap the 3rd grade reading level demographic.

My second grader is just about done with the Warhammer Adventures books. Goonhammer seems like the logical place to point him at with respect to the hobby itself. The writing is (mostly) not above the level a third grader could understand. That's not an insult, it's a sign of good writing.

# ? Mar 7, 2020 00:13

Safety Factor: Oct 31, 2009; Grimey Drawer

Ayn Marx posted:

If you need to heckle, make it funny.

It was kinda funny though? :confused:

Y'all need to make your dogpiling less obvious.

# ? Mar 7, 2020 00:39

Zuul the Cat: Dec 24, 2006; Grimey Drawer

Managed to not check this thread for 1200+ posts, and jumped back in today. what a mistake I've made.

# ? Mar 7, 2020 00:46

Cthulu Carl: Apr 16, 2006

fadam posted:

Neat, I�ll check this out too.

IT looks like it's changed so you only get autorifles or lasrifles depending on the regiment type, but you can buy the weapons separately and also get the same special weapons pack

https://victoriaminiatures.com/collections/weapons

Also you can get a mix of men and women.

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swampcow: Jul 4, 2011

Anyone ever try one of these out?: https://firmerterra.com/

I'm almost sold, but one review said not to lean too hard on the table. Wondering if anyone can speak to their sturdiness.

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