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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm sorry for the anime, but: It's one way to do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EaiOLoCpPE&t=328s This has someone doing it but he doesn't do it all the time, it's in some specific cases where he's up close and rattling off shots fast. You can see how he's really supporting the rifle with his other hand, and how for other shots with different balance and when he needs to reacquire the target between shots he uses a traditional grip. Index is him doing it. Also god that grip's dainty for a pretty heavy gun, both strong and weak hand.
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I had a question regarding night fighting in WWII. From reading Hastings it stood out that in 44-45 Europe the Germans were relieved that the Western Allies generally didn’t try anything at night, and same with the Americans and British in the Pacific and Burma. I also remember reading that the Japanese navy was big on drilling on night fighting, although I’m not sure if either side intentionally did that with carrier operations (was that practical at all?) Would it be accurate to say that German, Japanese, and Russian doctrine stressed night attacks but US and UK didn’t bother? Did that later change in the postwar?
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Do you mean "in the army?" Because the other two services were always doing stuff at night. Also carrier ops in World War 2 required daylight.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Do you mean "in the army?" Because the other two services were always doing stuff at night. Yeah I meant in the army. Oh gotcha, didn’t know that about carrier operations.
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Chindit raids. Quite a few of the raids and operations in Burma and North Africa were carried out at night.
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It seems like just yesterday that I was shilling my tank book in this thread. Now I have another tank book to shill: https://www.amazon.com/Sherman-Tanks-Army-Peter-Samsonov/dp/1911658476/ This time I decided to look at the Sherman tank and its service in the Red Army. I mostly talk about the M4A2, but there are also details of the trials of two M4A4 tanks that were sent to the USSR as well. The first two chapters are the development of the M4A2 and its use by the British, but I might drop them (I haven't finished writing it yet).
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Nebakenezzer posted:Do you mean "in the army?" Because the other two services were always doing stuff at night. I seem to recall reading that one of the USA's strategic advantages was that an American stage magician had figured out how to make fluorescent paint (which gathers nonvisible light and re-emits it in the visible spectrum), which they could use to perform landings in low-light (e.g. dusk) conditions. It's not night flying but it extended their operational time slightly.
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The US definitely did plenty of carrier night operations later in the war. avengers and later hellcats even had onboard radar installed.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Also carrier ops in World War 2 required daylight. The Fleet Air Arm was, at the start of the war, the only carrier force capable of flying night-time strike operations. The interwar Royal Navy had put a lot of effort into practicing for night action. This was largely as a way to counteract the fact that the Japanese and US Navies had modernised their battlefleets in the 1920s, while the RN had been too strapped for cash to do so; American and Japanese ships could outrange British battleships in a day action, but in a night action, this advantage was moot. Carriers were a key part of this, attriting the enemy battleline and preventing it escaping, and so had to be capable of night operations. This focus on night operations was part of the reason why the FAA's main strike aircraft seem underwhelming. The RN prioritised low-speed handling in its carrier aircraft, making it easier to land on a carrier at night. The biplane Swordfish and Albacore were great at this, while the massive Fairey-Youngman flaps of the Barracuda gave it similar handling qualities despite being a monoplane. However, these capabilities came at the expense of speed, making them easy targets for fighters, even for torpedo aircraft. The RN had only a few chances to demonstrate this capability. Taranto, where 21 aircraft sank three Italian battleships (though two would be salvaged and repaired), was probably the standout. The Bismarck chase was another good example, with aircraft from Ark Royal and Victorious making night attacks in atrocious weather. During the Japanese raid into the Indian Ocean in March-April 1942, Somerville was able to manoeuvre his fleet into position to attack the Japanese carrier fleet during the night of the 5th April, without being detected. Unfortunately, his scouting aircraft didn't get an accurate fix on the Japanese fleet, forcing him to cancel the strike and withdraw.
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Xiahou Dun posted:
Quoting myself as I've read more. Still no idea how accurate a total picture it is, but a lot of the primary source accounts are at least amusing. Apparently Churchill kept a Bren machine-gun in the trunk of his car, you know, just in case. Also this book has made me have new and astonishing depths to my knowledge of Goering being an rear end in a top hat. Like I knew he was before, obviously, since he's loving Goering, but it keeps giving little asides that just make me think he's not just an immoral monster but also just a complete and utter douche-nozzle. From a general's accounting of meeting him : "sitting there dressed in the following way : a green silk shirt embroidered in gold, with gold thread running through it, and a large monocle. His hair had been dyed yellow, his eyebrows were penciled, his cheeks rouged -- he was wearing violet silk stockings and black patent leather pumps. He was sitting there looking like a jellyfish." Christ what an rear end in a top hat.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I seem to recall reading that one of the USA's strategic advantages was that an American stage magician had figured out how to make fluorescent paint (which gathers nonvisible light and re-emits it in the visible spectrum), which they could use to perform landings in low-light (e.g. dusk) conditions. It's not night flying but it extended their operational time slightly.
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Jojo Rabbit spoiler: The Georing meeting story makes the captains battle costume so much funnier
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Nessus posted:I thought they would just use radium paint for this purpose. My impression is that radium paint is a bit expensive to be laying down on a carrier deck, even if you don't care about the whole radiation thing. They did use it for stuff like the dials on the aircraft cockpit instruments though.
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Did any radioactive materials get militarized before 1945?
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Chamale posted:Did any radioactive materials get militarized before 1945? Do X-ray machines in military hospitals count?
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Chamale posted:Did any radioactive materials get militarized before 1945?
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Nessus posted:Other than the Bomb, the only thing would have been radium dials on night flying instruments or similar. How dare you not mention diver watches used by the Decima Flottiglia MAS
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Heyyyy it's radioactivity chat! I'm trying to avoid making GBS threads up the Cold War thread over in TFR with my "research", so I thought this might be more appropriate. I gotta figure out how many people could survive the following scenario, and with what injuries: You got a few hundred people packed into a cave in the Qandil Mountains (so we're talking limestone). It's a prepared shelter, but only against conventional bomb and gas attacks. Out of the blue, two four-kiloton nukes airburst about 500 feet above ground level. The cave mouth is at the hypocenter, but it's not aimed 'up' at the blast and there's some overhang. I figure heat, radiation, and fallout won't be a problem: the rock will stop the heat and radiation, and the fireball isn't big enough to strike the ground directly and cause fallout. What I'm not sure about is blast overpressure and maybe mechanical shock in the earth. Could anybody make it through the blast, or would everyone's lungs be red tofu? Would the cave collapse? Then you'd have to deal with the conflagration when all the toppled trees and brush caught fire. I figure that's probably survivable if the cave can get air from other entrances, so it's not all sucked up into the blaze. But maybe the cave would fill with CO or other combustion byproducts and kill everyone? If anybody makes it out, what kind of injuries would you expect? Barotrauma, heat shock, inhalation of nasty poo poo, broken bones and bruises? At the very least I imagine everybody's deaf. Let me know if this is totally the wrong place for this, maybe there's a more appropriate Nuclear Survival Thread.
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I put on my robe and wizard hat while contemplating the 1,800 scenarios I have for a project I wish to do that involves the entirety of WW2's timeline.
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General Battuta posted:Heyyyy it's radioactivity chat! I'm trying to avoid making GBS threads up the Cold War thread over in TFR with my "research", so I thought this might be more appropriate.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:My impression is that radium paint is a bit expensive to be laying down on a carrier deck, even if you don't care about the whole radiation thing. They did use it for stuff like the dials on the aircraft cockpit instruments though. There's been more expensive solutions.
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Ensign Expendable posted:It seems like just yesterday that I was shilling my tank book in this thread. Now I have another tank book to shill: https://www.amazon.com/Sherman-Tanks-Army-Peter-Samsonov/dp/1911658476/ Preordered it bud
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glynnenstein posted:It was, apparently, actually in manuals from at least 1944 on. Bloke on the Range made a video demonstrating the manual's instruction (at 2:40). It may specifically have been for CQB only applications, though. I' haven't dug into it much. Wow, nice. I think I saw their first enfield video(s), but not the CQB one.
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Nessus posted:general casualties including minor anal trauma. Could you... Uhmmm... Expand on this tidbit?.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Also this book has made me have new and astonishing depths to my knowledge of Goering being an rear end in a top hat. Like I knew he was before, obviously, since he's loving Goering, but it keeps giving little asides that just make me think he's not just an immoral monster but also just a complete and utter douche-nozzle. From a general's accounting of meeting him : "sitting there dressed in the following way : a green silk shirt embroidered in gold, with gold thread running through it, and a large monocle. His hair had been dyed yellow, his eyebrows were penciled, his cheeks rouged -- he was wearing violet silk stockings and black patent leather pumps. He was sitting there looking like a jellyfish."
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Ensign Expendable posted:It seems like just yesterday that I was shilling my tank book in this thread. Now I have another tank book to shill: https://www.amazon.com/Sherman-Tanks-Army-Peter-Samsonov/dp/1911658476/ Oooh, Emchas! I should get that for BORAT VOICE MY FATHER-IN-LAW, he had been unaware that there were things. Fun fact: a marriage in the Soviet Union was not legally binding unless the happy couple were photographed in front of a T-34 within 24 hours of the license being signed.
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Welp, here comes another turd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyzxu26-Wqk
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Jesus. I'm amazed they had the petrol to spare for that. And also that the updrafts didn't make landing completely infeasible.
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Randomcheese3 posted:The Fleet Air Arm was, at the start of the war, the only carrier force capable of flying night-time strike operations. The interwar Royal Navy had put a lot of effort into practicing for night action. This was largely as a way to counteract the fact that the Japanese and US Navies had modernised their battlefleets in the 1920s, while the RN had been too strapped for cash to do so; American and Japanese ships could outrange British battleships in a day action, but in a night action, this advantage was moot. Carriers were a key part of this, attriting the enemy battleline and preventing it escaping, and so had to be capable of night operations. Wow, did not know that. So how did the aircraft and carriers find each other in darkness? bewbies posted:The US definitely did plenty of carrier night operations later in the war. avengers and later hellcats even had onboard radar installed. I knew about the famous battle (the Marinas?) where America launched aircraft at the limit of their range to smack a withdrawing IJN fleet, and they lit up their carriers so returning aircraft had a chance to land. So when did radar installs reach carrier service?
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"Most likely a U-Boat" stellar dialogue, seaman obvious.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Wow, did not know that. So how did the aircraft and carriers find each other in darkness? Very carefully
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Nebakenezzer posted:Wow, did not know that. So how did the aircraft and carriers find each other in darkness? A mix of dead reckoning (which, holy hell would that be hard at night), ground control from the carrier, and what basically amounted to a VOR on the carrier. The VOR worked surprisingly well but it was still a serious challenge to use...you had to plot your course relative to the beacon and just make tiny adjustments as you closed the range. Once you got close enough to actually see the ships there was usually a trail of luminescent stuff in the ocean to follow, plus nighttime lighting on the carrier. As you noted they could turn on the bright lights to help...at whatever battle that was they didn't just turn on the carriers' lights...they turned on the lights of the entire fleet. One of the things I always found amusing is that they were pretty good at finding the fleet in any conditions, but they never really worked out how to figure out how to identify your specific carrier. So, lots and lots of planes would just land on whatever carrier they could. The idea of some pilot getting out of his cockpit and having to ask "what ship is this" makes me giggle. Then, presumably, they worked it all out in the morning, and guys flew back to their home ships sort of like the college walk of shame. I think the first time they tried airborne radars on navy planes was in/around the Marshalls. Betty bombers were flying night missions with torpedoes every night and it was a huge pain in the rear end, so they tried putting up radar-equipped Avengers as a kind of super primitive AWACS for a flight of Hellcats. I think it sort of worked? Although ironically enough the Avenger was more lethal than the fighters were. edit - one of those first radar interception missions was the end of the line for noted bad rear end Butch O'Hare, whose name is now synonymous with nonstop cursing about air travel. bewbies fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Mar 6, 2020 |
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MrYenko posted:Welp, here comes another turd. A Destroyer captain in his 60s?
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Cessna posted:A Destroyer captain in his 60s? ONE LAST RIDE
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The night landing thing was the battle of the Philippine Sea. Despite all that poo poo 80 aircraft failed to return, with some entire elements ditching together with the idea that a group of men floating would be easier to find and rescue. The USN had search and rescue down pretty well by this point, and recovered about three quarters of the people who ditched over the next few days. Still, lovely way to go for the 20 they couldn't find. As far as the landing on other carriers goes, sometimes they'd paint identifying info on the decks to help with that. I know that pre-war Enterprise had a big "EN" on the deck over the fantail, Saratoga had a big "SAR" etc. It's worth noting that at Philippine Sea they gave explicit permission for aircraft to land on whatever deck they could find, which was fairly unusual. Normally they wanted you to find your own ship. In normal operations this was done by knowing where in the fleet it was, being guided in, etc. And yeah, landing on the wrong ship was enough to get you a royal raft of poo poo, both officially and with the other crew just loving with you. Crews would paint up the aircraft and send them home for the other guy's maintenance department to fix later. poo poo like this:    
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Cyrano4747 posted:The night landing thing was the battle of the Philippine Sea. Despite all that poo poo 80 aircraft failed to return, with some entire elements ditching together with the idea that a group of men floating would be easier to find and rescue. The USN had search and rescue down pretty well by this point, and recovered about three quarters of the people who ditched over the next few days. Still, lovely way to go for the 20 they couldn't find. haha
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Im teh Girl Scout Troop 401.
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Next to writing things about dicks on things holes are the other thing.LingcodKilla posted:ONE LAST RIDE *stations dude in the British side of the Irish sea on a mine sweeper* Honestly though, that concept alone is a lot more appealing. And I love dumb OOT war movie entertainment. One of these days I need to show you guys my compilation book of eighties WW2 Commando comics.
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Phone posting, but my personal favorite of those are the Royal Navy Phantoms that got subtlety repainted as “Colonial Navy”.
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fartknocker posted:Phone posting, but my personal favorite of those are the Royal Navy Phantoms that got subtlety repainted as “Colonial Navy”. IIRC it was an American phantom on a British carrier during a joint exercise. 
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