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Acebuckeye13 posted:Her... ability to push policies and appointments to her preference, i.e. in a more aggressively progressive direction? I don't see how this has worked prior Cugel the Clever posted:With all the companies in the region telling those employees who can work from home to do so (and telling a lot who can't to gently caress off and die) At least MSFT is good people quote:
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ZombieApostate posted:So either the death rate in the US is 5x higher than the rest of the world (entirely possible because of how bad our health care is) or there's at least 5x as many cases as you're claiming. The majority of the deaths have been cleaning out a Seattle nursing home, so those stats mean jack poo poo right now, but between the fact that it's only been here visibly for a month and the testing has been restricted until recently, the infected number is definitely way higher.
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Eej posted:I don't see how this has worked prior Trading endorsements or even non-endorsements for political favors is literally as old as electoral politics itself. And in despite of some of the opinions on the past page, Warren isn't an idiot - she's a canny campaigner who's managed to become a powerful and influential Senator. She ran for President because she strongly believes in reforming the American government and breaking the power of corporations and the rich, and thought, for I'm sure a variety of reasons, that she was the best person for the job and had a reasonable chance of winning. Now, Sanders is down but not out. I know that, you know that, and she knows that. But he's got a rough road ahead after a disappointing Super Tuesday, and depending how he performs in the next two rounds of primaries (including crucial elections in Michigan and Florida), Biden may very well open up an insurmountable lead - and even if Bernie wins enough delegates down the road to deny Biden an outright majority, he can't go the distance and force a contested convention without looking like a giant hypocrite and making every Democrat that isn't devoted to him (and even a few who are) pissed as all hell at him and his movement for hurting the party at a time they desperately need to consolidate to focus on winning the general. So Warren has a choice, and I'm sure she's talked to both Bernie and Biden. Her likely goal now is to have as much influence on the party platform as possible to further her anti-corruption and reform-minded agenda, and to do that means having the ear of the nominee. And at this point, endorsing (or declining to endorse) is the best and easiest way of doing that. So she's hedging. If Sanders comes out of next week (or the week after) with strong victories and a serious path to the nomination, she may endorse to help push him over the top. But if Sanders' campaign suffers debilitating losses, then she may not endorse at all, or even endorse Biden - because then, Biden will owe her a favor, one she can use to further her agenda. Politics is at its core glad-handing, horse trading, and hedging bets to get what you want. So if Warren fails to endorse Sanders, it's not because she's an idiot who doesn't know what he's trying to accomplish. It's because she wants to make sure that if he can't get past the finish line, at least some part of her agenda ends up on the party platform.
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Mar 6, 2020 07:30
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She tried to torpedo Bernie loving Sanders on stage and you're acting like her lack of endorsement is some tacit agreement strategy.
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Mar 6, 2020 08:33
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Mar 6, 2020 08:42
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Who the gently caress is that white lady?
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Mar 6, 2020 12:26
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Wasabi the J posted:She tried to torpedo Bernie loving Sanders on stage and you're acting like her lack of endorsement is some tacit agreement strategy. Lol, how dare she attack an opponent in an election, that's counterrevolutionary!
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Mar 6, 2020 12:40
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LingcodKilla posted:Who the gently caress is that white lady? Hilary Rosen, a democratic party grift- I mean consultant and former RIAA head.
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Mar 6, 2020 13:16
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Or, you know, she thinks there's a good chance that Sanders might lose, doesn't think her endorsement would boost him far enough to definitively win, and doesn't want to jeopardize any influence or input she might have in a potential Biden administration. Liz got out smarted by Trump and all it took was a few tweets. Shes not that politically astute.
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Mar 6, 2020 13:18
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Stultus Maximus posted:Lol, how dare she attack an opponent in an election, that's counterrevolutionary! She tried to take the mantel of progressive torch bearer 180d on that in her policies and campaign policy once it became politically expedient to do so, and still wants credit? She can gently caress right off.
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Mar 6, 2020 13:55
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Stop being fooled by Warren 2020 challenge
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Mar 6, 2020 13:59
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"The old white male career politician could be winning this primary if only that woman had listened and submitted to him."
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Mar 6, 2020 14:04
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Chichevache posted:"The old white male career politician could be winning this primary if only that woman had listened and submitted to him." Nobody has said that so this is probably projection.
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Woofer posted:Nobody has said that so this is probably projection. Chich is trolling.
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Mar 6, 2020 14:17
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Defenestrategy posted:She tried to take the mantel of progressive torch bearer 180d on that in her policies and campaign policy once it became politically expedient to do so, and still wants credit? She can gently caress right off. hmm yes she definitely backtracked on universal childcare, the wealth tax, breaking the filibuster, breaking up tech monopolies, free public college, student debt relief, ending private prisons... no wait, she said she'd do the most challenging and radical of her proposed massive reforms in her third year, which obviously means she was going to give up on it entirely (despite still arguing for it fervently and being attacked for her support on the debate stage and in speeches) what a loving monster
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Mar 6, 2020 14:17
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If she believes in that stuff why doesn't she endorse Bernie now then?
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Mar 6, 2020 14:19
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Acebuckeye13 posted:hmm yes she definitely backtracked on universal childcare, the wealth tax, breaking the filibuster, breaking up tech monopolies, free public college, student debt relief, ending private prisons... Her student debt relief program wasn't going to help everyone. Her M4A plan didn't include mental health care among other problems. Announcing that you're putting something off two elections from now is conceding that you do not think you can do it. I don't care to go on, but there are a lot of reasons why her numbers plummeted. I used to hold her and bernie as a 1a 1b type position. She fell from that because he platform was uninspiring.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:If she believes in that stuff why doesn't she endorse Bernie now then? because if she endorses Bernie now and he gets blown out next week then she has zero leverage against Biden to give her concessions later on, I said this already
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Acebuckeye13 posted:because if she endorses Bernie now and he gets blown out next week then she has zero leverage against Biden to give her concessions later on, I said this already lol okay
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Acebuckeye13 posted:because if she endorses Bernie now and he gets blown out next week then she has zero leverage against Biden to give her concessions later on, I said this already Sounds like she will do whatever is best for her.
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Mar 6, 2020 14:26
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She opened the door to doubt about her commitment to universal health care and unnecessarily picked a fight with the only other progressive in the race over what appears to be a blatantly misunderstood comment. Both at the same time and right at the height of her popularity. She did herself in and didn't want to believe it. And I say this as someone who was on board with Warren at the time.
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Mar 6, 2020 14:29
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Mr. Nice! posted:Her student debt relief program wasn't going to help everyone. Her M4A plan didn't include mental health care among other problems. Announcing that you're putting something off two elections from now is conceding that you do not think you can do it. I don't care to go on, but there are a lot of reasons why her numbers plummeted, and it wasn't due to general misogyny. The accusation is that she was backtracking, not that she had the most progressive and radical agenda. Once she put down her plans, M4A is the only thing anyone can argue she "backtracked" on, and even then it was merely a promise to do it later (after, hopefully, the Democrats could reverse their 2016 losses in the Senate, and build up enough support to get the whole thing done). Yeah, she lost, that's inarguable, but I don't think it's because she "pulled back." She peaked too early and the other campaigns pounced on taking her down, and she responded way too slowly to the question of how she was going to pay for M4A. She wasn't able to attract minority support which killed her in more diverse states, and Sanders and Butt squeezed out support from both sides. There's a lot that went into it, and imo very little had to do with actual policy (because frankly it rarely does)
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Acebuckeye13 posted:hmm yes she definitely backtracked on universal childcare, the wealth tax, breaking the filibuster, breaking up tech monopolies, free public college, student debt relief, ending private prisons... Yes...the third year....you know after midterms.
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Mar 6, 2020 14:48
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I think you guys are forgetting personal loyalty to Bernie is the most important progressive value.
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Jarmak posted:I think you guys are forgetting personal loyalty to Bernie is the most important progressive value. If you earnestly believe in progressive ideas above personal gain, you should probably support the person who has the best chance to implement them. This exactly how 2016 played out, and will yield similiar results.
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Mar 6, 2020 15:20
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President Germophobe is shook, and cancelled his big flashy signing trip to the CDC at the last minute. I'm wondering if he either a) has been told that the infection rate is much higher than is being let on b) thinks that they store diseases at the CDC c) He is worried that Pence is going to get him sick. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/trump-cancels-plan-to-sign-coronavirus-bill-at-cdc-in-atlanta.html
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Mar 6, 2020 15:22
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DAS Super! posted:Yes...the third year....you know after midterms. Knock on wood, but 2022 could actually be a pretty good Midterm year for Democrats. Republicans will be defending Senate seats in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Missouri, and Iowa that could all be potential pickups (Plus Indiana, which I'll bet  Butt definitely has his eyes on), and it's the first year that'll be effected by the 2020 census—so if the Dems manage to pick up even a few state legislatures or governors, they'll be able to reverse at least some of the Republican gerrymandering that has allowed them to dominate so thoroughly this past decade. I certainly wouldn't count on it, but it's not outside the realm of possibility that the Dems make at least a couple pickups in the Senate and manage to hold the House. Finally, this will be the last thing I say on Warren: There were, and still are, legitimate reasons to be skeptical of Sanders as a candidate for President. And this has nothing to do with policy (Where obviously he's superb except for nuclear but so's warren in that regard, welp) or dumbass "electability" arguments. Instead, it has to do with how well he would work with Congress in implementing his ambitious policy platform. A lot of the times I see Sanders, I see another Jimmy Carter—a stubborn man with a loathing for traditional politicking who may let personal slights and grievances get in the way of passing his policy agenda. So there's plenty of room for Warren, and people who like Warren, to believe that even if his policies are good, he might not be the best person inside the Oval to actually accomplish those policies. Which is why she ran so hard and so long, and why her few attacks on Sanders focused on his judgement and record of accomplishments rather than his actual ideas. I like Bernie. I like his policies. I'll be voting for him on Tuesday. But there was a reason I liked Warren, and there's a reason I'm still hesitant of Sanders: Because for all his great policies, I just don't know if he'd actually be able to get them done, even if he does win.
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Earning political favors from Biden doesn’t seem worth much since he’ll also be granting favors across the aisle to people with deeper pockets and more leverage.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I like Bernie. I like his policies. I'll be voting for him on Tuesday. But there was a reason I liked Warren, and there's a reason I'm still hesitant of Sanders: Because for all his great policies, I just don't know if he'd actually be able to get them done, even if he does win. I hear this argument a lot. It's not wrong per se, but I think it's a hell of a lot better to compromise on something starting from the Left, rather than compromise on something starting from the Center. Bernie's done a lot of bipartisan amendments etc in his tenure as Senator so I'm not sure he'd go all Carter on everything, but yeah that's a risk, IMO I don't think it's a big enough one that I lose any sleep over.
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HHS just cleared out their server room of all hardware. I’m pretty sure they’re just cleaning it because this place is infested with rats and roaches, but quote this post when a scandal breaks and we find out Hillary’s emails were in there or something.
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Mar 6, 2020 15:46
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Abongination posted:Can you hear that? It’s the sound of rat loving. I wonder how much this pubehead here got paid to write the hit piece. "Anton Troianovski has been a Moscow correspondent for The New York Times since September 2019. He was previously Moscow bureau chief of the Washington Post and spent 9 years with the Wall Street Journal in Berlin and New York. @antontroian"  I contact these writers sometimes, they never have a good explanation for their ethics. Given his work history though, probably just a lanyard class leech.
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Mar 6, 2020 15:50
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Importantly, even if you want to vote Fox McCloud for president, vote for a damned senator and congressman. After all, the real counter to Bernie even if he wins it all will simply be the senate saying “No” to his legislative priorities. For all the scaremongering from the center and American right about socialism, that’s the all but guaranteed way to stop him. So go vote downticket and encourage others to do so even if you hate the very idea of a president existing.
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Oh my God you guys are going to lose your poo poo when Sanders bows out again. Y'all are in here spiting the most nonsense Reddit positions about Elizabeth loving warren who is by all measures a very kindly Grandma lady who has spent the last decades working on all of these things. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid how dumb are you? You already enlisted once you think you'd loving know better. bird cooch fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Mar 6, 2020 |
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I just wanted to talk about how Anton Troianovski has a mass of pubic hair growing from his skull. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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EBB posted:I just wanted to talk about how Anton Troianovski has a mass of pubic hair growing from his skull. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean, at least he has hair sob
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Sacrist65 posted:If you earnestly believe in progressive ideas above personal gain, you should probably support the person who has the best chance to implement them. Yes I get that your worldview flows from the presumption that Bernie is the one true progressive so anyone who opposes him not only is wrong but knows they are wrong and therefore is an intentional enemy. That was the point behind remark. Personally I think if you earnestly believe in progressive ideals you choose your allies based primarily on who shares those ideals not exclusively on who shares your opinion of who would best implement them. But if you're not with us you're against us right?
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bird cooch posted:Oh my God you guys are going to lose your poo poo when Sanders bows out again. Decades ago she was a Republican
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That Works posted:Decades ago she was a Republican Decades ago I was a Republican.
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bird cooch posted:Decades ago I was a Republican. No poo poo
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