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Yeah, Durkon’s more of a spiritual doer than a spiritual leader.
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skeleton warrior posted:Yeah, Durkon’s more of a spiritual doer than a spiritual leader. Which is more consistent with the d&d vision of a priest but quite distinct from the real world idea of a priest
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Mar 5, 2020 19:45
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Durkon dumped Charisma, Minrah didn't.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:51
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jng2058 posted:Durkon dumped Charisma, Minrah didn't. I do wonder if stat allocation is understood to be a thing somehow in ootsverse. When does it happen? Who decides?
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Mar 5, 2020 19:57
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They talk about it, so it is: how that meshes with being born is unclear lol
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Rand Brittain posted:Durkon walks the walk, but isn't so great at talking the talk. High wisdom, low charisma. Feeling like she's a higher charisma, middling wisdom type cleric that'll put her points into wisdom as she levels, er, progresses in life.
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"Preach it!" / "I already am, because I'm a cleric!" is the kind of line that makes me want to play a cleric just so I can say it.
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This is the first time in a long time that we've seen Belkar just... smile.
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I'm joining a campaign as a gnome cleric in a few weeks, taking notes on this.
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How long is it until Belkar's last breath anyways, in comic time?  habituallyred posted:2 Things: The GITP forums are back. It's kinda funny comparing how long some of the gitp forum mods have done their job to any other forum's. Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Mar 6, 2020 |
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Cuntellectual posted:How long is it until Belkar's last breath anyways, in comic time? Ever heard of Zeno's Paradox?
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ikanreed posted:I do wonder if stat allocation is understood to be a thing somehow in ootsverse. I recalled one instance of talking about it, and the person himself seems to decide? http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0545.html
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So not to make this an extended de-rail, but is it just me or is it kind of obvious that Minrah is supposed to be a Transgender woman? Firstly I am not saying this as if it is a bad thing, more diversity is always good. And Rich himself has said he wanted to try and be more inclusive with his characters*. But it is just between Minrah talking about having something she was ashamed of before Thor told her it was okay, her speaking to her parents before leaving on the quest and now the whole line about how " if you start a new life, people will only know the new you" it all paints to that. It just that everyone was on that page which was why no one was commenting on it. * = Minrah does allow them to touch on that unique gaming problem RPG's have that traditional stories don't have. Which is if you introduce a new PC midway or at the endway through a campaign, they don't have the same cohesion or teamwork with the established players, which this strip addresses. You also have the problem that they are maybe half the level of the PC's and will probably get got easily in the first big combat. Which I think has already happened too.
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The Question IRL posted:So not to make this an extended de-rail, but is it just me or is it kind of obvious that Minrah is supposed to be a Transgender woman? A perfectly reasonable headcanon. The only certainty is that minra is a fun character whose gonna be doing some punchline heavy lifting
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ikanreed posted:A perfectly reasonable headcanon. I saw Minrah as gay, not trans, although I could probably be persuaded the other way. What's the basis for your reasoning?
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We’ve got several possibilities, but we also already have multiple nonstraight characters. V is nonbinary, but that’s a cultural thing, not a personal one. If there was ever a time to include a trans character who wouldn’t feel shoehorned in, it’s with her.
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The Question IRL posted:So not to make this an extended de-rail, but is it just me or is it kind of obvious that Minrah is supposed to be a Transgender woman? I saw the trans link with her line about people only knowing the new you too, but I really don't understand how her speaking to her parents is a trans thing. Also, if she is trans, it's important to note that Thor never says anything about her being ashamed when he's alluding to her secret. He just says it's something she's been "worried about" and that she'd rather he "not say out loud in front of Durkon". Not wanting your god to out you is not the same thing as being ashamed of being trans.
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Taciturn Tactician posted:I saw the trans link with her line about people only knowing the new you too, but I really don't understand how her speaking to her parents is a trans thing. Also, if she is trans, it's important to note that Thor never says anything about her being ashamed when he's alluding to her secret. He just says it's something she's been "worried about" and that she'd rather he "not say out loud in front of Durkon". Not wanting your god to out you is not the same thing as being ashamed of being trans. It could be possible she had her gender changed (everyone remembers the belt) and hasn't updated her parents on the matter.
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Taciturn Tactician posted:I saw the trans link with her line about people only knowing the new you too, but I really don't understand how her speaking to her parents is a trans thing. Her particular wording was that she wanted to say some deeply personal things that she'd always assumed she'd have more time to say. Not a smoking gun for being trans, but it would fit very well with her not being out to everyone yet.
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The Question IRL posted:So not to make this an extended de-rail, but is it just me or is it kind of obvious that Minrah is supposed to be a Transgender woman? I like this.
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The Question IRL posted:So not to make this an extended de-rail, but is it just me or is it kind of obvious that Minrah is supposed to be a Transgender woman? That's not a bad reading of the character. I kind of hope that it turns out to be accurate even though I think at this point Rich wouldn't set it up a big secret for the character.
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My reading was that Minrah was not straight, but I don't see anything that disproves the idea that she's trans-- they're definitely both valid readings. Hell, could be both.
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it seems fairly obvious to me but it's one of those catch-22s where it would be nearly impossible for rich to make it explicit without either her having one of those HEY SO I WAS A DUDE ONCE conversations that has plagued video game rpgs for millennia, or a character stumbling into her highly personal backstory without her knowing rich is a real good writer and he takes this sort of thing seriously so i trust him regardless of where he goes with minrah
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That’s why you have a conversation about how she needs to avoid Dispel Magic so her Permanent duration Polymorph Any Object stays put.
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Cabbit posted:My reading was that Minrah was not straight, but I don't see anything that disproves the idea that she's trans-- they're definitely both valid readings. Hell, could be both. Same. My initial reading was that she was gay or bi, but I can see where the argument that she’s actually trans is coming from when it’s laid out like that.
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I’m not that creative so I just thought she didn’t like beer.
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pseudorandom name posted:That’s why you have a conversation about how she needs to avoid Dispel Magic so her Permanent duration Polymorph Any Object stays put. I thought this is permanent regardless as long as you do it in the right way?
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Mar 6, 2020 20:06
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Mordenkainen’s Dysmorphia
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goblin week posted:Mordenkainen’s Dysmorphia Sounds like it’d more be Tenser’s area of expertise
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Could see it. Thing is, Rich talked in the past about including a transgender character - he's reluctant about it, since he screwed it up in the past. (Index here, relevant comments under writing) Of course, people change their mind, been a few years. Aside, quote:her speaking to her parents before leaving on the quest
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Cabbit posted:My reading was that Minrah was not straight, but I don't see anything that disproves the idea that she's trans-- they're definitely both valid readings. Hell, could be both. The thing about this interpretation is that she wanted to keep whatever it was secret and at the same time was happily public about her friend being gay all in front of durkon
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Gun Jam posted:Could see it. Thing is, Rich talked in the past about including a transgender character - he's reluctant about it, since he screwed it up in the past. I could see it as her wanting to set the record straight with her loved ones in case the Order wins, but she dies (again), and she wants them to remember her as she truly was.
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I wonder if she’s MtF or FtM. My gut says MtF, since she’s happy with how she’s changed, but who knows?
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I very much doubt that Minrah is a trans dude, given she's spent her entire screentime so far identifying as a woman, even as she appears in the afterlife and is referred to as such by her god, who is a super upstanding dude. Not to say that that's an invalid reading, but that is a super risky story for a cis person to write. Minrah being a trans woman I can definitely see. Though I got the impression that dwarfs are super cool about gender stuff in general, given Sigdi casually stating that she wants for Durkon to settle down with a "lass or lad" of his choosing, so in my version of the reading, her parents would already know and be fully on board, and she had her casting of polymorph (if applicable) sponsored by the church.
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Honestly, I have a completely different read on her. I think she used to be a bad person, back when she was a town guard, then had an epiphany and decided to clean up her act and join the church. Her general belligerence could be a reflection of being a particularly violent person in her past life. She wouldn’t want Durkon to find out because he’s a huge stick in the mud and she’s afraid of being booted from the party. It would also have a much closer parallel with Belkar’s own (semi-)redemption story. This isn’t the strongest theory, admittedly, but nor is most other speculation.
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She described her guard self as “dumb “, I feel like she might choose a different word if she was reformed evil
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I think she might just be proud to be a cleric going on an adventure.
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PMush Perfect posted:She described her guard self as “dumb “, I feel like she might choose a different word if she was reformed evil We all have a bit of a chaotic/lawful evil phase in our teens.
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PMush Perfect posted:She described her guard self as “dumb “, I feel like she might choose a different word if she was reformed evil I think it makes sense as "I was a dumb kid who was caught up in bad stuff." Like, letting things slide because that's what the other guards did, and I want to fit in, and it's less work this way, so I should just go with the flow. But, personally, I agree that she does read as queer.
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