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Finished the demo and found the combat just became incredibly frustrating at scorpion as I just couldn't seem to dodge or effectively block anything and went through all 15 or so potions I'd found. Is it actually possible to dodge attacks effectively? It didn't seem like there was anything like iframes in it and I seemed to constantly roll into missile barrages. Also really odd that you have to fill a full ATB bar to use potions and that you couldn't set more than one instruction at a time in the combat menu. I'll likely still buy it because overall it was fun, but the combat really didn't gel on my first playthrough. Also jesus gently caress that camera. bubbapook fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Mar 7, 2020 |
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the dodge roll's purpose is a mystery to me as well. scorpion's only avoidable attacks seemed to be the shockwave and tail laser, if it opened fire with any of its long-range weapons then you were guaranteed to eat poo poo switching the battle camera to type 3 did a lot to make fights feel less claustrophobic
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Mar 7, 2020 01:25
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bubbapook posted:
I dont understand comments like this. Youve had to fill an ATB bar to use potions since like FFIV.
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Mar 7, 2020 02:23
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I guess the disconnect is "Why can I attack anytime but can't use a potion?"
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Mar 7, 2020 02:27
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The battle system is very very simple (in a good way). Actions require you filling up ATB like every game between IV and IX. You can run, attack, dodge and block freely. Throw in some staggering ala FFXIII Throw in a 'classic mode' that does the attacking for you ala FFXII. Never played Crisis Core but ive heard its similar.
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Mar 7, 2020 02:31
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precision posted:I guess the disconnect is "Why can I attack anytime but can't use a potion?" It's this. And it's gonna get worse as people who've only played 15 come into this game, see it's action combat like 15, then find they can't just Potion whenever.
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Mar 7, 2020 02:31
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Was it always supposed to be pronounced Macko instead of May-co? Barrett is destroying my childhood.
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Mar 7, 2020 02:35
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Have we seen a Rufus model yet?
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Mar 7, 2020 02:37
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The answer to dealing with the Scorpion's missiles is switching to Barrett and use Stoneskin because he can just super armor his way through them Cloud's roll is good for dodging the EMP that surges out while you're trying to destroy the force field generator
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Mar 7, 2020 02:46
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People have speedran the boss without taking any damage. I think for missiles you just have to run away rather than try to dodge them.
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Mar 7, 2020 02:54
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bubbapook posted:Finished the demo and found the combat just became incredibly frustrating at scorpion as I just couldn't seem to dodge or effectively block anything and went through all 15 or so potions I'd found. Is it actually possible to dodge attacks effectively? It didn't seem like there was anything like iframes in it and I seemed to constantly roll into missile barrages. This Cloud solo video shows the dodge roll being used successfully a few times against the EMP Field (the player also eats poo poo a few times trying it during a missle salvo). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsr8KOYEKlg
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Mar 7, 2020 02:56
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Mike the TV posted:Was it always supposed to be pronounced Macko instead of May-co? Barrett is destroying my childhood. (Also why Yuffie is going to be "You Fee".)
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Mar 7, 2020 02:59
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Hogama posted:Yep, Japanese vowel sounds, not Maori like the shark. also, Baha-moot not Baha-mutt?
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Mar 7, 2020 03:00
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Yuffie will be inexplicably replaced by a Moogle with a ninja mask
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Mar 7, 2020 03:20
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Yuffie will be replaced by Nail Bat
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Mar 7, 2020 04:48
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Blockhouse posted:Cloud's roll is good for dodging the EMP that surges out while you're trying to destroy the force field generator precision posted:Yeah, I just checked IMDB and holy moly Jessie's VA is pretty https://twitter.com/ericalindbeck/status/1235291568749391873 Terper fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Mar 7, 2020 |
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Mar 7, 2020 05:00
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Waiting to see if my boy GACKT is represented in this. Love my boy GACKT.
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Mar 7, 2020 05:05
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You know I've gotta say one story change I dislike is that (end of demo) Shinra were the ones who made the giant reactor explosion happen rather than AVALANCHE's bomb doing it. It removes a lot of the gray moral space our terrorist protagonists reside in.
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Mar 7, 2020 06:13
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Astrochicken posted:Waiting to see if my boy GACKT is represented in this. I think I read at some point GACKT changed his mind about the whole thing and decided Square couldn't use his likeness anymore or something.
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Mar 7, 2020 06:24
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Dr Pepper posted:You know I've gotta say one story change I dislike is that (end of demo) Shinra were the ones who made the giant reactor explosion happen rather than AVALANCHE's bomb doing it. It removes a lot of the gray moral space our terrorist protagonists reside in. round and round we go...
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Mar 7, 2020 06:27
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Makes sense Tifa would have a voice actor that was in GLOW. The funny thing is that it’s the one woman that doesn’t wrestle.
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Mar 7, 2020 06:38
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Dr Pepper posted:You know I've gotta say one story change I dislike is that (end of demo) Shinra were the ones who made the giant reactor explosion happen rather than AVALANCHE's bomb doing it. It removes a lot of the gray moral space our terrorist protagonists reside in. This is what happened in the original game
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Mar 7, 2020 06:45
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Elephant Ambush posted:This is what happened in the original game it very much isn't and attempting to somehow draw "AVALANCHE's bomb wasn't intended to destroy the whole reactor despite the fact that none of them act surprised when the reactor blows up and, in fact, Barret declares that he wants the next explosion to be even larger" from a single line where Jessie, a dangerous amateur who has never done this before, says that she didn't think it would be that big, is an extreme and untenable stretch shinra was definitely aware of the plot by at least the time of the reactor 5 raid and deliberately allowed at least the second raid and possibly both of them to be carried out, but there really is absolutely nothing in the original game that indicates that the bigass explosion wasn't basically the intended outcome
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Mar 7, 2020 06:57
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My interpretation of the end of the demo is Avalanche totally intended to blow the reactor but they're a bunch of amateurs who can't competently make a bomb. Shinra wants to scapegoat them but they know they have to be actual terrorists for that to work so they cover for them. I bet making them terrible terrorists is intentional in order to humanize them more.
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Mar 7, 2020 07:07
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SettingSun posted:My interpretation of the end of the demo is Avalanche totally intended to blow the reactor but they're a bunch of amateurs who can't competently make a bomb. Shinra wants to scapegoat them but they know they have to be actual terrorists for that to work so they cover for them. I bet making them terrible terrorists is intentional in order to humanize them more. honestly yeah, given the fact that they all seem to be in a big hurry to get the gently caress outta there before it goes off it seems like the plan was still pretty much to blow the whole thing up
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Mar 7, 2020 07:12
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Open Marriage Night posted:Makes sense Tifa would have a voice actor that was in GLOW. The funny thing is that it’s the one woman that doesn’t wrestle. She's great in GLOW, too. Great in general! But she's no Rachael Leigh Cook 
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Mar 7, 2020 07:15
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I figured they wanted to blow up "the reactor" but not cause whatever the gently caress THAT was, so much as break the machinery and maybe drop a bunch of rubble down to seal up the wound they gouged into the planet. Having to deal with the idea of "are these guys you're hanging out with explicitly OK with murdering a bunch of random city-dwellers" doesn't seem like it actually adds anything particular to the story. Like FF7 has never really toyed with "are AVALANCHE actually wrong? is mako energy fine?" at any point.
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Nessus posted:I figured they wanted to blow up "the reactor" but not cause whatever the gently caress THAT was, so much as break the machinery and maybe drop a bunch of rubble down to seal up the wound they gouged into the planet. They assumed the explosion would be so big that giving themselves only X minutes to escape would be dangerous.
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Mar 7, 2020 07:29
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But FF7 definitely toyed with "were Avalanche's method's too extreme, in that they had blood on their hands from killing innocent civilians?"
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Mar 7, 2020 07:30
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Schwartzcough posted:But FF7 definitely toyed with "were Avalanche's method's too extreme, in that they had blood on their hands from killing innocent civilians?" Which they still do. In chapter 2 you can hear a lot of the civilian chatter in the disaster zone, one guy mentioned he was meant to be going into the reactor to work tonight, and if he had, he'd be dead, not because it blew up but because Avalanche would have killed him for being in the way
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Mar 7, 2020 07:41
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esperterra posted:She's great in GLOW, too. Great in general! She looks like her when she was younger, which is kind of strange
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Nessus posted:Like FF7 has never really toyed with "are AVALANCHE actually wrong? is mako energy fine?" at any point. It definitely did with the former, though?
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Mar 7, 2020 08:23
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydXSzY046fQ And that's 2:30 broken, god remember when I was like "Ah down to like 3-5 minutes"
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Mar 7, 2020 08:47
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Literally dying here that I can't be doing these speed runs.
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Mar 7, 2020 08:50
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Onmi posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydXSzY046fQ Oh gosh I never considered that you can actually cycle to different party members using the shortcut menu.
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Mar 7, 2020 08:54
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:It definitely did with the former, though?
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Mar 7, 2020 09:16
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Nessus posted:Wrong in the sense of "they're wrong about what they're fighting," like suggesting that all this Lifestream stuff is bullshit. The story itself (at least in the core game as far as I recall) never goes there. You actually have the ingredients to do a mind-gently caress there but they never really do; Barret is basically right on the facts if not every detail and all of Cloud's hallucinatory stuff has to do with his own life and identity rather than the general facts of "They're killing the planet, Cloud." Yeah, the lifestream and the nature of mako are pretty drat core to the plot, you couldn't change any of that without it being a different story. The game very pointedly notes that avalanche kills a whole bunch of innocents. It doesn't spend a whole lot of time whinging about it because avalanche is only on screen for like an hour total, they're not very important besides settings the stage.
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Mar 7, 2020 15:44
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Onmi posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydXSzY046fQ Good poo poo. How are you doing that jumping air dash right at the beginning of phase 2?
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Statistically, there's going to be some people playing The Final Fantasy 7 Remake who genuinely won't know that Aeris dies. I would love to see their reactions.
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