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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

Oh God, I just remembered that the romantic heart of that game involves Page being in a relationship with her much older government handler who has been her jailer since she was a child. Framed always as a positive relationship the game will not stop trying to force you into it.
It’s even worse, because I have seen a playthrough where even if you keep rejecting him with the dialogue choices the game give still makes it so that you have feelings for him and he just never stops trying to convince you to date him.

The game also ends with a sequel hook which is really stupid because Cage has never made a sequel to a game and he definitely won’t be making a sequel to Beyond.

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Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


FlamingLiberal posted:

It’s even worse, because I have seen a playthrough where even if you keep rejecting him with the dialogue choices the game give still makes it so that you have feelings for him and he just never stops trying to convince you to date him.

The game also ends with a sequel hook which is really stupid because Cage has never made a sequel to a game and he definitely won’t be making a sequel to Beyond.

He has admitted he won't be making a sequel to Beyond.

I missed a choice to reject his kiss at one point and he and Ellen Page started to make out and went to her bedroom. Before anything could happen though she had a PTSD flashback to the attempted rape that happened as a teenager and had a breakdown. Chiseled McSquarejaw took that as a good time to just peace out and left her alone to sob uncontrollably.

There's parts of that game i'd like to go back and replay but it won't change anywhere near enough to justify trying to get the platinum.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
Why is this a videogame thread now

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

got any sevens posted:

Why is this a videogame thread now

I mean. Goons. Give it a few days and it will be a food thread.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

A Sometimes Food posted:

I mean. Goons. Give it a few days and it will be a food thread.

And all of those topics will be under the umbrella of Star Wars discussion.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Videogame movies and tv shows are hot now and David Cage is emblematic of making lovely movies through the medium of games.

To tie all the conversations together: Someone should make a movie based on the Episode 1 Podracing game. No no, not Episode 1, I mean like Days of Thunder but with podracing, based on the podracing in the game, not the film, and that way Taco Bell can do a combo box crossover and call it Boxracing

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

does anyone want to try and explain how pixar went from pumping out consistently great films to being consistently mediocre?

i just saw onward and it's not a bad movie but it is extremely bland

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I would assume the steady march of time leading to a change in talent and management, as well as a more competitive marketplace including their own past work rather than a specific singular thing.

Edit: Also doing sequels.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017
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Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

QuoProQuid posted:

does anyone want to try and explain how pixar went from pumping out consistently great films to being consistently mediocre?

i just saw onward and it's not a bad movie but it is extremely bland

I know nothing of the people who work at Pixar, but much like with video games (heh) as the studio keeps growing there is probably a lot of people who rotate out. So it becomes a Ship of Theseus situation.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

Barudak posted:

Videogame movies and tv shows are hot now and David Cage is emblematic of making lovely movies through the medium of games.

There are so many game designers who are failed filmmakers it is unreal. Whenever you see a game filled with unskippable cut scene that is most likely what motivates it.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

To be fair, there were some games with unskippable cutscenes to hide loading, or in FFX's case, to keep the game from crashing.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
Is that really why you can't skip the cutscenes in FFX?

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Yeah. They couldn't even fix it in the HD versions. The game is basically put together with gum and popsicle sticks.

The reason why the English voice acting is because they had to dub it exactly to the same amount of time the Japanese dub had, not a second shorter or longer, because it would also crash. The voice acting was noticably better whenever someone was speaking off screen or if their lips weren't on screen. Auron's VA job being the overall beat because of this.

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

Leavemywife posted:

Is that really why you can't skip the cutscenes in FFX?

In the original it was to hide loading I think. But they way they did it is so hosed up and bizarre it's stopped any remaster from adding a cutscene skip.

I think they've said they'd need to do a full remake and start the code from scratch to implement it.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Assuming Monster Hunter the movie doesnt tank CAPCOM is currently investigating exploiting the hell out of their franchises for films and the success of Sonic is making them hungrier.

Leavemywife posted:

Is that really why you can't skip the cutscenes in FFX?

Similar issues arising from converting an open world engine to a linear shooter is why you cant skip them in Max Payne 3. Theres a mod to remove the loading screens, but even there occasionally the mod requires you to wait a second before progressing or otherwise you cause the game to have a bad time.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Speaking of both video game developers and Pixar, I always thought it was a shame that Steve Purcell didn't get to do more high-profile stuff for them.

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan
Lasseter was a GREAT story editor with the clout to make things happen or not happen. He could demand the creatives make changes or make The Board eat it and kill/suspend/redo a project after burning tons of dough.

He was also a creepy grabber, but I suspect there is a reason that stuff came out when he did - the Pixar slate is, like Marvel, now much more explicitly communicated in advance. This means hard deadlines set earlier in a project lifetime.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.

Detective No. 27 posted:

Yeah. They couldn't even fix it in the HD versions. The game is basically put together with gum and popsicle sticks.

The reason why the English voice acting is because they had to dub it exactly to the same amount of time the Japanese dub had, not a second shorter or longer, because it would also crash. The voice acting was noticably better whenever someone was speaking off screen or if their lips weren't on screen. Auron's VA job being the overall beat because of this.

See, that's why I don't want to replay FFX. Not the voice acting, that's whatever (I think they did well, considering the restraints put on their performances), but because the game starts so slowly. gently caress off, I don't care anymore about the entire beginning.

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

QuoProQuid posted:

does anyone want to try and explain how pixar went from pumping out consistently great films to being consistently mediocre?

i just saw onward and it's not a bad movie but it is extremely bland

Anyone working at Pixar at the beginning is now 45 or older. Very few people maintain good creative content after that.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

QuoProQuid posted:

does anyone want to try and explain how pixar went from pumping out consistently great films to being consistently mediocre?

i just saw onward and it's not a bad movie but it is extremely bland

I enjoyed it for what it was but it’s premise of “fantasy world but mundane and familiar modern world building” was inherently going to head in that direction.

Doesn’t help that Pixar has kind of defined the 3d animation feature style so anything that isn’t that becomes risky

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Remulak posted:

Lasseter was a GREAT story editor with the clout to make things happen or not happen. He could demand the creatives make changes or make The Board eat it and kill/suspend/redo a project after burning tons of dough.

He was also a creepy grabber, but I suspect there is a reason that stuff came out when he did - the Pixar slate is, like Marvel, now much more explicitly communicated in advance. This means hard deadlines set earlier in a project lifetime.

Yeah, I think this is a big part of Pixar's slide into mediocrity. Lasseter absolutely had his blind spots (see his absurd love of the Cars franchise, for example), but he has a brilliant creative mind and a sixth sense for knowing what works and what doesn't. Don't get me wrong, he is a creepy-rear end son of a bitch and he has no place working in Hollywood and gently caress Skydance for hiring him, but we're now seeing post-Lasseter Disney Animation and Pixar output and the studios are very clearly still looking for a firm hand at the rudder.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
Didn’t some studio quietly hire Lasseter not that long after he was fired?

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Big Mean Jerk posted:

Didn’t some studio quietly hire Lasseter not that long after he was fired?

Skydance

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Didn’t some studio quietly hire Lasseter not that long after he was fired?

As I mentioned in my post, he's now the head of Skydance Animation. Following his hiring, there was a staff exodus and Emma Thompson backed out of a movie with them.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
did they pull Guns Akimbo? It was already relegated to arthouse theaters here and now I can't see any showtimes at all (LA)

but a guy at a mixer mentioned a race incident online involving the director but I don't know if that contributed to it

https://twitter.com/kittypurrzog/status/1232412085348253696?s=20

hemale in pain
Jun 5, 2010




Alan Smithee posted:

did they pull Guns Akimbo? It was already relegated to arthouse theaters here and now I can't see any showtimes at all (LA)

but a guy at a mixer mentioned a race incident online involving the director but I don't know if that contributed to it

https://twitter.com/kittypurrzog/status/1232412085348253696?s=20

oh wow, so someone got doxxed for tweeting this to the point where all her workers quit and she attempted suicide and then the director of guns akimbo tries to defend her, in a pretty dumb way tbh, and twitter warriors get all defensive over it because bullying people on the internet is only okay when they do it.

quote:

"I was gonna reply to this with 'nigga say what' then I was like holy shite that's racist, i can't say that on twitter."

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Alan Smithee posted:

did they pull Guns Akimbo? It was already relegated to arthouse theaters here and now I can't see any showtimes at all (LA)

but a guy at a mixer mentioned a race incident online involving the director but I don't know if that contributed to it

https://twitter.com/kittypurrzog/status/1232412085348253696?s=20

they didn't pull it, but they cut down the number of screenings drastically and made it same-day VOD. afaik it was gonna be a regular wide release before the director showed his rear end on twitter.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
poor Danny Rad

from one extremely onliner to another

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

hemale in pain posted:

oh wow, so someone got doxxed for tweeting this to the point where all her workers quit and she attempted suicide and then the director of guns akimbo tries to defend her, in a pretty dumb way tbh, and twitter warriors get all defensive over it because bullying people on the internet is only okay when they do it.

he accused some of her former writers, who weren't even online when the whole thing went down, of pushing her to commit suicide, and then when people tried to explain that to him, he like, quadrupled down and called them all murderers. When someone who is a big enough deal to make movies with Harry Potter goes on a twitter campaign against random black internet film writers who are expressing their displeasure at people using the n-word and calls them all murderers, that someone should probably get the gently caress off of twitter, whether by hook or by crook. It should be noted that most of the people who resigned did so before the suicide attempts, and after she posted those videos actively worked to find her and keep her from actually succeeding, thus possibly saving her life.

(it should also be noted that within a few days the director created a burner twitter account to continue complaining about this and people found it almost immediately because he was absolutely unsubtle about it)

edit: honestly that Stranger article is kinda lovely and solely coming from the "Everyone On Twitter Is Terrible" perspective and throwing the baby out with the bathwater. A writer on RogerEbert.com wrote about it and did a much better job of talking about the experience of being a black critic online and the inability on the part of some (like the writer of the article you posted) to discriminate between actual Twitter trolls and people who are trying to say something.

Robert Daniels posted:

“While young critics dream of being pull-quoted, I asked for mine not to be used. Here’s why.”

Like some critics, I’ve thought about the feeling of seeing my name attached to a film I loved. It was an unspoken daydream, caught between idealized professionalism and nascent wonder. For Black writers, the chances of being pull-quoted are less, considering the disparity in access to new releases and staff positions. I remember hiding the excitement of my first. It was for Bob Byington’s “Frances Ferguson.” “Play it cool. Act like you’ve been there,” I thought. Months later, at the Toronto International Film Festival in 2019, I watched Jason Lei Howden’s “Guns Akimbo,” a film I loved. A few months later, the publicist contacted me to request the use of my quote: “A spectacularly fun and exciting time.” I responded instantly, in the affirmative. A month later my quote appeared in “Guns Akimbo”s second trailer.

However, a few short weeks later, events nearly turned tragic. From the night of February 20th to now, Twitter would convulse with outrage against the use of a racial slur, would condemn bullying, and normalize the usage of that slur. And a director would make dangerous and false accusations of attempted murder against two Black critics, torpedoing his own film in the process. My journey through this initially began through anger: seeing a slur used by someone I know. Then it moved to worry for their safety. It went into overdrive after a visceral reaction to a director using his platform for gaslighting. For lies. For racism. This became a cycle of blindspots, and a constant blockage of discussing race, suicide, and alliance.

To understand this chain, I unfortunately have to start at the beginning. It began when the Editor-in-Chief of the now-defunct Much Ado About Cinema, was accused of using the n-word in one of her direct messages that apparently was written four years prior. She initially denied it, claiming the screenshot had been photoshopped. On Thursday, February 20th, she would admit in a lengthy apology the veracity of the screenshot and her use of the racial epithet. She was quickly denounced, and many of the writers from her outlet (some who were women and people of color) stepped down. The incident created a swift storm on Twitter, with many (white) trolls attacking her.

Her writers’ decision to step down was courageous. Because for a young critic, to leave a steady outlet and position on the basis of morality isn’t the easiest of decisions. They should have been applauded; instead they were quickly made the perpetrators by some, hissed at in the same breath as those hurtful trolls, though their actions weren’t comparable.
They were made the brunt of Twitter’s ire because as cruelly as a timeline can change, the aforementioned editor posted three videos. In tears, she shared her hurt. She also intimated that she was committing suicide, and had been very public about her past and current struggles with suicidal thoughts. Director Barry Jenkins offered an appeal for her safety, and many of her former writers mobilized to find help for her, to call local emergency responders. She was found and saved. Even in this trying moment, her writers were still her closest friends. Once again, they should have been applauded.

Instead, Twitter turned again. Without knowing the full story, only hearing scraps of information, some heaped blame, and did so in a ratcheting battle of self-aggrandizing platitudes struggling between simplicity when discussing mental health, race, and rage. Many perspectives were right at once: Her writers deserved the right to leave. Apologies can be given but forgiveness takes time. Criticism was warranted. Bullying definitely was not.

Worst yet, in the midst of these events, many mostly white writers called for greater kindness when dealing with someone’s mistakes, while ignoring that the anti-Blackness and racism participated in shouldn’t be dismissed as merely a mistake. And asking Black people to react with kindness when someone uses the n-word is thoughtless and damaging. Many white writers composed extended Twitter threads to denounce trolls, but far fewer lines of text were devoted to speaking about the racial implications of this near-tragedy. For many Black writers, it was another example of race either being minimized by our white counterparts or flatly ignored.

Jason Lei Howden (director of “Guns Akimbo”) took the unsettling events further. He denounced “woke Twitter,” though no one has ever defined what woke Twitter is to me. (However, I have a passing dog whistle of an inkling.) Howden then proceeded to post the handle of every writer and editor who stepped down from their respective role at Much Ado About Cinema. He accused them of being “hacks,” essentially targeting and weaponizing his followers against them. Many of these critics are relatively young, though no less professional, and to a point, are as unprepared to face the vitriol from a group of Twitter goons. When the matter was brought to Howden’s attention, he deleted the tweet, but proceeded to double down on his disgust with those writers who left their positions.

He later proceeded to defend his decision, mostly by attacking many of the Black writers who accused him of normalizing the usage of the n-word. Moreover, the crux of his argument rested upon the belief that no one’s perfect, “So who were any of us to judge?”

Such reasoning is flawed and ironic. Specifically because “Guns Akimbo,” his most recent release, follows Daniel Radcliffe in a supercharged hyper-masculine gaming world where humans are weaponized to fight each other for the entertainment of those on the dark reaches of the internet. Radcliffe plays a troll forced into participating after the creator of the game along with his henchmen surgically bolt guns to his hands. Radcliffe’s character finds the ultra-violent audience consuming the game to be abhorrent, and the pumped-up sycophants worshiping a violent lifestyle they’d never commit to in real life are seen as repulsive. The film is meant to target online bullying.

When Howden posted a list of writers to hunt down, he essentially advocated retribution; he was a bully behind a keyboard accusing others of bullying. He used the term “woke culture” as virtue-signaling to condemn Black writers who have spent their whole lives recoiling to the very syllables of the n-word, which from the lips of a white person often dehumanizes or worse. Here, Howden’s worldview thrived on the inherent awfulness of those who denounce him. “Surely, they’re not perfect either,” he intimated. And yet, why must Black victims be perfect to gain the same respect and empathy he falsely regaled us for not having?

For these reasons, on February 21st, I consulted the editor of RogerEbert.com Brian Tallerico for us to contact the publicist so permission for the use of my pull-quote could be rescinded. Ever-present and supportive, Brian to my mind is the model editor. We discussed the ramifications of a film being composed of more than just its director. Radcliffe, Samara Weaving, and a host of others perform at their best in "Guns Akimbo"; they didn’t deserve to be caught in the crossfire as much as the former writers for Much Ado About Cinema deserved it. I certainly contemplated that if a spiral of events caused by emotional knee jerks led to this moment, I might be only perpetuating the cycle with my own hollow act. Because surely the studio wasn’t going to pull past marketing for a film already in theaters. At worst, if I did nothing, my quote could appear on a DVD cover.

Brian said he’d support my decision 100%. Nevertheless, I’m ashamed to say that if I had actually taken the night to think on it, I would have calmed. I would have drawn back. I would have been petrified by the fear that I am a Black writer, and I have a personal worry of losing everything. That speaking out would label me a distraction, a problem, an emblem of “woke Twitter.” Even when a Black writer is given support, these thoughts still race through our or my head.

Later that day, I witnessed Howden briefly unblock a Black critic named Valerie Complex (@ValerieComplex) only to accuse her of bullying and of attempted murder, even though Valerie wasn’t even online when the events took place. A white male accused a Black woman of a major crime, and yet no immediate outcry came against the abuse she suffered. I guess Black wounds aren't deep enough for another censure of “woke Twitter” to occur again. Instead, it festers until the next cycle of controversy, only for white critics to wonder, “Why is she so aggressive?”

So on the morning of February 22nd, I gave the all clear to Brian: “Let’s pull the quote.” Later that day, @DarkSkyLady would write a blog post for Medium on the varied ways white critics minimize racial slurs. From his film’s official Twitter page, Howden harassed her, and also accused her of attempted murder, even though the evidence clearly said otherwise. Over the course of the next 12 hours, he would deactivate and reactivate his Twitter. And then a tweet came to my attention, one present on his then-private account. He tweeted side-by-side pictures of Valerie Complex and @DarkSkyLady, almost like a wanted poster, and called them “disgusting ‘film writers,’” while doubling down on his lie that they bullied. That’s when the dam finally broke, and over the course of Sunday most critics and anyone else on Twitter condemned him, 26 hours after he initially accused Valerie.

I’ve not been able to grapple with the ramifications of the past 72 hrs. It began with a slur, turned into tragedy, then a plea for kindness, and then the complete opposite of kindness ensuing from a director. Through every bit of this there was bullying, the normalization of a word that shouldn’t be, and a very slow-footed response to people of color who were equally as bullied and in trouble. It presents a lot of confirmations of what many think Twitter is, but not many solutions.

I don’t have any either, because some of this began and continued due to oversimplifications of very nuanced issues that are often attacked blindly or with only partial vision or not at all, and typically with a hatchet. I know that we’ve gotten terrible at emotional multitasking, of accepting many truths at once, and delineating the importance of each with respect to context. And that we still aren’t willing to be ever conscious of race and gender, or remembering that there are some who despise that ever-consciousness.

But we can become better at listening; become better at learning the appropriate responses to actions. We can strive to learn the appropriate responses to actions, to not minimize feelings nor slurs. And we can understand that “ally” is a four-letter word whose meaning and action shouldn’t only be understood during moments of crisis, but every day.
Many should look at their timeline. How often do you share a Tweet from women of color? How often do you talk about films from people of color? How many people of color do you actually follow on Twitter? You might be disturbed by the numbers. Twitter’s an echo chamber, but it’s even more so if you curate your feed that way.

Past that, understand that you have a platform, no matter the size. Your voice can be amplified not just for bad—a bad you should be wary of—but for good, too. Don't pass up the chance to use your platform for good, for the people who most need it.

DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Mar 9, 2020

hemale in pain
Jun 5, 2010




He's an idiot then but jesus christ twitter sounds exhausting.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
Twitter culture is so sad.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

hemale in pain posted:

He's an idiot then but jesus christ twitter sounds exhausting.

can you believe it's free?

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



Free idiots?? No thx

Coaaab
Aug 6, 2006

Wish I was there...

Alan Smithee posted:

can you believe it's free?
most of the world will call me a sucker for paying to post on an internet forum but i think it's paid itself off a hundredfold for keeping me off twitter

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Alan Smithee posted:

poor Danny Rad

from one extremely onliner to another

He still has his TV show (and millions of dollars) so this doesn't exactly hurt him that much.

Precambrian
Apr 30, 2008

Timby posted:

Yeah, I think this is a big part of Pixar's slide into mediocrity. Lasseter absolutely had his blind spots (see his absurd love of the Cars franchise, for example), but he has a brilliant creative mind and a sixth sense for knowing what works and what doesn't. Don't get me wrong, he is a creepy-rear end son of a bitch and he has no place working in Hollywood and gently caress Skydance for hiring him, but we're now seeing post-Lasseter Disney Animation and Pixar output and the studios are very clearly still looking for a firm hand at the rudder.

Wasn't one of the issues with Lasseter (though a much smaller problem than his sexual harassment, of course) was that he was an aggressive credit thief? I seem to recall hearing that all of "his" ideas for Cars were demonstrably someone else's, and Lasseter just "loved" it because it was a billion dollar merchandising opportunity he could slap the Pixar Seal of Good Movies onto.

The Klowner
Apr 20, 2019

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Coaaab posted:

most of the world will call me a sucker for paying to post on an internet forum but i think it's paid itself off a hundredfold for keeping me off twitter

I'd rather pay $10 for SA than go on Reddit or Twitter for free

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Coaaab posted:

most of the world will call me a sucker for paying to post on an internet forum but i think it's paid itself off a hundredfold for keeping me off twitter

Wisdom.

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MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Barudak posted:

Assuming Monster Hunter the movie doesnt tank CAPCOM is currently investigating exploiting the hell out of their franchises for films and the success of Sonic is making them hungrier.

We'll never get the George Romero Resident Evil movie.

But maybe they'll get Goblin to do the soundtrack for the next one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4Xw_7BUXic

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