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I'm not sure I understand what french scenes are, still. Also why not start off your story with french scenes? Why not write your story from the beginning with french scenes instead of having regular scenes and then transition into french scenes?
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it's just a subdivision. if someone new walks into a room while two people are talking, that's a new french scene. I did a little research since the last post: It comes from old French theater not really being able to afford lighting/scenery changes so they would divide scenes in the playbooks this way.
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Feb 7, 2020 03:44
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Patware posted:in the podcast he mentions one of his techniques is to break a chapter into scenes (no poo poo?) and then break a scene into french scenes (wow it's almost like you're writing!) and then figure out the actual purpose of the scenes (at this stage in the game?) to make sure he's not being too useless for too long And yet 2/3 of the books' chapters are his lovely Harry Potter fanfic and his initial interaction with Ambrose shows him to be an even bigger rear end in a top hat than the snooty noble/royal. Patware posted:I don't have anything published (mostly because I don't think I'm good enough) Nether is Rothfuss but that didn't stop him. 
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Feb 7, 2020 03:57
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TV Zombie posted:I'm not sure I understand what french scenes are, still. Also why not start off your story with french scenes? Why not write your story from the beginning with french scenes instead of having regular scenes and then transition into french scenes? In a good story it's a useful distinction because adding/removing characters ought to shift the scene dynamics. An extremely basic example would be three characters having a conversation, and then when character A leaves, B and C are able to discuss something they don't really want A to know, or like two characters are talking and third shows up and they change topics, etc It really is fuckin strange to picture him rubbing his hands and going "ahh time for my french scene division" because yeah this is something most people who write for long enough learn to do intuitively
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:In a good story it's a useful distinction because adding/removing characters ought to shift the scene dynamics. An extremely basic example would be three characters having a conversation, and then when character A leaves, B and C are able to discuss something they don't really want A to know, or like two characters are talking and third shows up and they change topics, etc I'm just now reminded of that scene where he attempted to have a conversation that passes the Bechtdel test or however it's spelled and completely fails because the conversation is both about men and the other woman is not actually in the scene, and their dialogue is never actually shown.
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Kchama posted:I'm just now reminded of that scene where he attempted to have a conversation that passes the Bechtdel test or however it's spelled and completely fails because the conversation is both about men and the other woman is not actually in the scene, and their dialogue is never actually shown. The Bechdel test gets a lot of criticism for being simplistic, and it's true that passing it doesn't actually say much about the quality of a work, but attempting to pass it and somehow failing says so, so much.
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Feb 7, 2020 06:56
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Kchama posted:I'm just now reminded of that scene where he attempted to have a conversation that passes the Bechtdel test or however it's spelled and completely fails because the conversation is both about men and the other woman is not actually in the scene, and their dialogue is never actually shown. Wait, what? My brain is just sliding off this.
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Antivehicular posted:The Bechdel test gets a lot of criticism for being simplistic, and it's true that passing it doesn't actually say much about the quality of a work, but attempting to pass it and somehow failing says so, so much.
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Feb 7, 2020 11:58
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Antivehicular posted:The Bechdel test gets a lot of criticism for being simplistic, and it's true that passing it doesn't actually say much about the quality of a work, but attempting to pass it and somehow failing says so, so much. Yes, exactly. And it's so obviously set up because it's basically the only time in the books that two women are interacting by themselves. Strom Cuzewon posted:Wait, what? My brain is just sliding off this. He has a big scene where Kvothe comes across Denna talking to a newbie escort, and Denna is all being mentoring and stuff but it's entirely about when it's time to gently caress men or quit the job. And the most bizarre thing is it's written as a one-sided conversation because.. Uh... .... Kvothe doesn't give a poo poo about the girl she's talking to? That's my only guess. I don't remember if it says any reason why Kvothe can't hear or doesn't relay what she says.
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The Bechdel test is extremely important for Rothfuss . It sets him up as a fake feminist so he can touch boobs, and it is one if the few critiques nerds will recognize. Incidentally, I'm doing a let's play of the Torment game mentioned in the LP, and it's just peak Rothfuss. Pretentious, bad prose, nothing to say, and Auri reappears as a little girl who made a rock god.
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Feb 11, 2020 06:11
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like every other goon i'm writing multiple sff novels, and sometimes i plot elaborate scenarios in my head where rothfuss tries to harass me at a convention and i publically defeat him with my claws and fangs
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Feb 11, 2020 14:07
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hallelujah posted:like every other goon i'm writing multiple sff novels, and sometimes i plot elaborate scenarios in my head where rothfuss tries to harass me at a convention and i publically defeat him with my claws and fangs Do all the women swoon and want to do you afterwards?
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Feb 11, 2020 18:30
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Kchama posted:Yes, exactly. And it's so obviously set up because it's basically the only time in the books that two women are interacting by themselves. I don't even remember that because every time Kvothe sees Denna Rothfuss is vacillating between "pure unrelenting true love of equals" and "WHORE WHORE WHORE YOU loving WHORE"
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Feb 11, 2020 18:40
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:. That's really disappointing, I loved Planescape Torment when I was younger.
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I just want to remind everyone that Rothfuss is/has been obsessed with some girl from high school for nigh on 25 years now. With that context, literally the first section of Name of the Wind has the chronicler mention "the woman" and Kote goes murderously silent and Bast gets all freaked out by it. I really wonder what Rothfuss' wife feels about these things. pentyne fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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pentyne posted:I really wonder what Rothfuss' wife feels about these things. She brought it up to him once. Once. The silent, sullen stare, those nightmarish eyes, that quivering rage-filled beard, would be seared into her nightmares forever. "I'm a feminist," he hissed, then turned his back on her.
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Feb 11, 2020 18:58
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pentyne posted:I don't even remember that because every time Kvothe sees Denna Rothfuss is vacillating between "pure unrelenting true love of equals" and "WHORE WHORE WHORE YOU loving WHORE" I mean even when Denna isn't around most of the time when women are brought up it's about how they're whores. Like that scene where Ambrose is being a poo poo to Fela by groping her while she's not particularly consentual and Kvothe sidles up and is like "This isn't some WHORE!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CAN POUND LIKE A BRASS NAIL, Ambrose! You gotta DRAG HER INTO AN ALLEY IF YOU WANNA RAPE HER. All women are ANIMALS you'd find in a BESTIARY!" And then after Ambrose leaves Fela worships him.
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PJOmega posted:That's really disappointing, I loved Planescape Torment when I was younger. I got a few hours into Torment Tides of Numenera and yeah it's pretty meh, the setting is interesting and the premise is good but it's all handled very clumsily. probably won't go any further 
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Feb 11, 2020 19:09
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PJOmega posted:That's really disappointing, I loved Planescape Torment when I was younger. Planescape is just as tortuously overwritten, but actually manages to be about stuff. Numenera is completely bogged down by its need to be portentous and meaningful. Although I remember Rothfuss' character being the best of the companions, which is either damning him with faint praise, or just plain damning.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Although I remember Rothfuss' character being the best of the companions, which is either damning him with faint praise, or just plain damning. That's an interesting point. His best work, such as it is, is stuff written with hard deadlines: the Bast short and the NPC.
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Rothfuss wrote for Planescape Torment?
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naw Torment Tides of Numenera which is kinda a spiritual successor that came out a few years ago
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hallelujah posted:like every other goon i'm writing multiple sff novels, and sometimes i plot elaborate scenarios in my head where rothfuss tries to harass me at a convention and i publically defeat him with my claws and fangs hell yeah get his rear end
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Planescape is just as tortuously overwritten, but actually manages to be about stuff. Numenera is completely bogged down by its need to be portentous and meaningful. Planescape seems like a competent writing team drafted an outline, set a goal, and worked towards a functional, coherent product. Numenora is more like a creative writing class trying to out mystify each other with ever elaborate fictional inventions while huffing their own farts..
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pentyne posted:Planescape seems like a competent writing team drafted an outline, set a goal, and worked towards a functional, coherent product. Ah, the Sunless Seas/Skies methodology.
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pentyne posted:Planescape seems like a competent writing team drafted an outline, set a goal, and worked towards a functional, coherent product. To be fair, the Numenera tabletop setting is very much centered around "There's 10+ billion years of magical and sci-fi societies rising and falling here, you're likely to stumble on random tech and magical devices with crazy niche uses at any time." Its a really fun setting that allows you to do basically any tone or type of adventure. The Numenera Torment game just focuses on being deliberately obtuse and/or twee. I also hate the constnatly running timer in the game that requires rushing through content or missing a ton.
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A former coworker was one of the writers on tides of numenera and I really wanted to like it if only for that, but yeah, ended up with the common "eh, I just don't care about this game and it's too far up its own rear end" opinion pretty quick. It's a shame, Planescape was great
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The game isn't that far off from the source. Monte Cook was a big name in Dnd since the early 90s but Numenora was him taking every idea he had and jamming them into his idea of a perfect game. Like many talented creatives, when put in sole charge of a product and given full control they indulge all their excesses and bad habits because no one is there to say "sure its detailed and intricate, but is it fun?"
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Pillars of Eternity I gets faulted for its overwrought and heavy text, but it still had 40 hours of Baldur's Gate gameplay attached. So what does Tides of Neumenera have if the writing sucks?
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Pillars of Eternity I gets faulted for its overwrought and heavy text, but it still had 40 hours of Baldur's Gate gameplay attached. So what does Tides of Neumenera have if the writing sucks? a really neat setting, if you like dying earth. some of the characters are pretty cool. I didnt get more than a few hours in tho
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Pillars of Eternity I gets faulted for its overwrought and heavy text, but it still had 40 hours of Baldur's Gate gameplay attached. So what does Tides of Neumenera have if the writing sucks?
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my bony fealty posted:a really neat setting, if you like dying earth. some of the characters are pretty cool. I didnt get more than a few hours in tho So the setting actually conflicts with the story they want to tell, hard. MAJOR spoilers for the game and my LP "thesis": The game is ultimately your standard tale of an arrogant man trying to defy God and raise his daughter and how he's punished for his hubris. Unfortunately, this is undermined by the Numenera setting having all these dumb unimportant mysteries be explained by ancient science that no one understood at the time. The Sorrow that starts the game hunting you is ultimately just a robot built by some guys to prevent randos from using their Tides nanomachines, which the Changing God - your father - did to try to bring back his dead daughter. It would work wonderfully as a Kurt Vonnegut satire, but its a terrible myth.
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So basically there's been no movement on anything Rothfuss-related in quite some time. Showtime passed on the TV show, the movie is in production hell, and there's been literally nothing on Doors of Stone in years. I think this is a wrap on Rothfuss, beyond his extra lovely other stuff that he works on instead of his books people somehow like.
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Uh, on the contrary, http://twitter.com/satinephoenix/status/1236413588031635456
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Uh, on the contrary, I hope everyone on that cruise gets coronavirus
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i've got nothing against dudes painting their nails but of course rothfuss painted his nails
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Lol of course he is loving off on a cruise
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Uh, on the contrary, Telling men to shave their long gross facial hair has been a major thing to help reduce the spread of covid-19. And he's touching his face. Can't wait for the long dramatic "my life almost ended" blog post and his new excuse for not finishing book 3.
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He looks like he wishes he could be anywhere else than in that picture.
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