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Thassa's Oracle is a weird instant win because I have no idea why it happens and the card will reveal none of its secrets as to why this fortune-telling Merfolk will instantly win the game when others don't. So it ends up feeling like a game-end glitch where the victory screen arbitrarily pops up.
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flatluigi posted:love that this useless single-serving site doesn't even bother to include every ban it's a gag you utter moron
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Mar 9, 2020 16:02
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Thassa's Oracle is a weird instant win because I have no idea why it happens and the card will reveal none of its secrets as to why this fortune-telling Merfolk will instantly win the game when others don't. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mQSEdyCG-Uk Seeing all of the future = controlling all of the future!
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Mar 9, 2020 16:05
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ShaneB posted:it's a gag you utter moron it was posted completely seriously before and nothing about it even gestures towards being a joke unless you consider bad podcast advertising inherently funny but then you probably wouldn't be so hostile about it
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Mar 9, 2020 16:10
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Yeah, Pioneer seems fine? Turns out that all three combo decks running around are pretty fragile against common sideboard plans and have mediocre matchups against discard, which is sitting in the hands of a lot of the competitive field currently as Thoughtsieze remains the actual best card in the format. Heliod's generally the most resilient there due to getting to exist in a real deck instead of a pile of cards that only wins off the combo like Lotus/Inverter but Mono-White and Heliod Company haven't been putting up the numbers to convince folks it could be an actual threat.
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Mar 9, 2020 16:10
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TheKingofSprings posted:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mQSEdyCG-Uk Yeah but why doesn't Octoprophet do it? Or any of the other oracles? It just sort of wins.
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Mar 9, 2020 16:17
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underworld breach was the most “obviously going to be banned in legacy” card printed since treasure cruise
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Mar 9, 2020 16:17
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I think I'm just upset Octoprophet isn't the metagame-defining card, mind.
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Mar 9, 2020 16:19
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If we’re doing a flavor exploration, Thassa’s Oracle is more likely to win you the game the higher your devotion is to blue, meaning she can see further into the future to the eventuality that you will win. It’s like Dr. Strange in Endgame. There are only a few possible timelines where you win, and Oracle can only see as many timelines as you have devotion.
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Mar 9, 2020 16:22
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Mr. Locke posted:Yeah, Pioneer seems fine? Turns out that all three combo decks running around are pretty fragile against common sideboard plans and have mediocre matchups against discard, which is sitting in the hands of a lot of the competitive field currently as Thoughtsieze remains the actual best card in the format. Heliod's generally the most resilient there due to getting to exist in a real deck instead of a pile of cards that only wins off the combo like Lotus/Inverter but Mono-White and Heliod Company haven't been putting up the numbers to convince folks it could be an actual threat. Our group talked about how pioneer is balanced around Thoughtseize. Seems like that's actually the case.
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Mar 9, 2020 16:30
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flatluigi posted:it was posted completely seriously before and nothing about it even gestures towards being a joke Two hilarious hot takes in one day! Where's the patreon?
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Mar 9, 2020 16:39
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Surprised, but glad, to see breach banned in legacy. Now I hope it just doesn't turn into snow piles or they ban Astrolabe.
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Mar 9, 2020 16:47
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It’s funny to hear the comparisons to YawgWin vs Breach because by virtually every metric that matters, Breach is simply the stronger card.
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Mar 9, 2020 16:51
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My primary take on no Pioneer bans and using Inverter's 49% WR as justification is that many people are bad with a deck that has an extremely high power level. That's probably a fine thing for most players but it's going to continue to make tournament play look funny. It was like 1/3 of the top 32 of the most recent Pioneer Showcase Challenge.
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Mar 9, 2020 17:07
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ShaneB posted:My primary take on no Pioneer bans and using Inverter's 49% WR as justification is that many people are bad with a deck that has an extremely high power level. That's probably a fine thing for most players but it's going to continue to make tournament play look funny. It was like 1/3 of the top 32 of the most recent Pioneer Showcase Challenge. 1/3 is less than 49%. 
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Mar 9, 2020 17:16
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:1/3 is less than 49%. M-m-m-mark is that you?
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Mar 9, 2020 17:34
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Thassa's Oracle is a weird instant win because I have no idea why it happens and the card will reveal none of its secrets as to why this fortune-telling Merfolk will instantly win the game when others don't. From a very terrible article on the mothership about word counts on cards: quote:For a while, this card had just its first two sentences of rules text. It was powerful, but continually underwhelming. It just didn't feel rare, and multiple designers said so. So I added sentence number three—the one that maybe, sometimes, outright wins you the game. Now it had cachet. Now it turned heads. No one kicked Thassa's Oracle out of their fancy club anymore—but now it had a target on its back.
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Mar 9, 2020 17:52
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It seems weird to be that proud of yet another labman effect. When i saw the card I didnt think "cool", I thought "again??"
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Mar 9, 2020 18:03
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i just remembered like half a year or so ago when we were mostly saying "ah, play design influenced sets are coming up and now things will get sorted out for The Formats." lol
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Mar 9, 2020 18:26
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Pretty sure they were explicitly not looking at all the formats and that was clear from the beginning. If you thought otherwise that's kinda on you. edit: on the other hand, Veil of Summer!?
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Mar 9, 2020 18:27
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Frgrbrgr posted:From a very terrible article on the mothership about word counts on cards: wait so the original design was just omenspeaker? and they thought it would see competitive play? lol
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Mar 9, 2020 18:34
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odiv posted:Pretty sure they were explicitly not looking at all the formats and that was clear from the beginning. If you thought otherwise that's kinda on you. At this point I don’t really think they’re looking at any format beyond draft
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Mar 9, 2020 19:00
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little munchkin posted:wait so the original design was just omenspeaker? and they thought it would see competitive play? lol Omenspeaker did see competitive play but as a part of Standard Mono-U devotion when it had much more reasonable payoffs. Callaphe is no Master of Waves. A weirder Omenspeaker for UU wouldn't be much of a rare, though, I'd agree.
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Mar 9, 2020 19:11
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TheKingofSprings posted:At this point I don’t really think they’re looking at any format beyond draft This doesn't explain the mythic and rare that ruin Theros limited at all.
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Mar 9, 2020 19:19
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Maybe, like with The Promised End, they would just stop the playtesting game when someone landed a Trawler instead of playing it out and seeing how annoying it was to play against.
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Mar 9, 2020 19:22
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TheKingofSprings posted:At this point I don’t really think they’re looking at any format beyond draft quote:Dream Trawler got an ability lopped off, leaving it with a mere four (!) abilities. (You'll see this one tomorrow from AllieStrasza)
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Mar 9, 2020 19:28
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LifeLynx posted:This doesn't explain the mythic and rare that ruin Theros limited at all. Look my first statement was just gonna be that they sit around playing drinking games all day but I wanted to be at least a little charitable
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Mar 9, 2020 19:33
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odiv posted:Maybe, like with The Promised End, they would just stop the playtesting game when someone landed a Trawler instead of playing it out and seeing how annoying it was to play against. We must force the playtesters to have higher stake matches so they can't just forfeit. I propose the loser takes 10 lashes.
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Mar 9, 2020 19:44
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The idea that they would be play testing against a Dream Trawler and immediately just scoop their cards up instead of trying to play the game out is equally damning if not more so than if they had played the games out, discovered how lovely it was to play against, and left it in anyways
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Mar 9, 2020 19:59
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odiv posted:Maybe, like with The Promised End, they would just stop the playtesting game when someone landed a Trawler instead of playing it out and seeing how annoying it was to play against. I propose a new keyword for permanents: Quietus. "If this permanent is untapped and you control it during your draw step, you win the game." They can just print one word instead of all this text that amounts to the same thing AND the new player draft and card evaluation experience for insane overpushed bombs will be a lot more intuitive.
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Mar 9, 2020 20:00
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Bust Rodd posted:The idea that they would be play testing against a Dream Trawler and immediately just scoop their cards up instead of trying to play the game out is equally damning if not more so than if they had played the games out, discovered how lovely it was to play against, and left it in anyways
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Mar 9, 2020 20:20
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That makes way more sense to me because in all but the most complicated EDH board states a single Emrakul swing does LITERALLY kill you.
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Mar 9, 2020 20:21
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It's still a beater and you're probably dead, but also nowhere near as a sure a game-ender as the first one. Also you have to let someone have a full turn of yours where they spend a bunch of time trying to maximize the damage they can do, which sucks to wait for if the game is just going to end on the spot after that.
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Mar 9, 2020 20:27
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odiv posted:Unless I'm misremembering, this is what we were told happened with Emrakul. They want to playtest as much as possible so when they were faced with what seemed like an unwinnable situation they'd just move to the next game, so they rarely (or never?) actually had to play an Emrakul game through to its conclusion. In my experience, any time someone was taking my turn with emrakul, that turn took excruciatingly long and felt even longer due to me basically sitting with my hands on the table staring at my opponent playing solitaire. Yeah the game was effectively over, but if the match is 1-1, I'm still gonna play it out.
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Mar 9, 2020 20:32
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Exactly. And that's even more true the higher the stakes, which is why we got to watch people play that poo poo out on camera.
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Mar 9, 2020 20:34
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flatluigi posted:it was posted completely seriously before and nothing about it even gestures towards being a joke the page is pretty clearly a joke
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Mar 9, 2020 21:14
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this was posted into the commander thread, potential new mechanics/spoilers from some sort of edh deck https://www.reddit.com/r/mtg/comments/fftx94/potential_symbiotic_swarm_decklist_leak/ Merge W (This creature becomes an Aura enchantment with enchant creature. Attach it and any number of Auras enchanting it to target creature. Merge only as a sorcery. It becomes a creature again if it's not attached to a creature.) it could, of course, all be fake
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Mar 9, 2020 23:07
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Ah, licids. I missed licids, and all their dumb interactions.
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Mar 9, 2020 23:12
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Elyv posted:this was posted into the commander thread, potential new mechanics/spoilers from some sort of edh deck Whiptongue Frog is already a card that exists, soooo
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That's super-fake, considering we already know the big Ikoria mechanic is called mutate and that it somehow involves attaching cards to other cards.
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