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END ME SCOOB posted:Hard yes. Full stop. Different regions have a local flavor and culture, other nations have more to them than just "we're you but with wizards/communism", I could go on but those alone are already such a change from this flat loving world where the only time a place has anything interesting about it it's either a giant temple of dead wizards or a parody that will never come up again (LOOKIN' AT YOU, CLINTONIA) For all its faults, WOT makes a real effort to feel like a living, breathing world. The GoodWorld honestly feels really empty.
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Wasn't it also a plot point in WoT that balefire (spell that would destroy a thing and make it as if it had never existed) was getting overused and was starting to destabilize the whole of reality?
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Mar 8, 2020 20:09
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Yeah. What balefire did was destroy something back in time, with the power used determining how far back it erased the thing. Example: Alice shoots Bob in the head, killing him. Cathy balefires Alice, which effectively erases her from time at a point before she kills Bob. Bob doesn't really "come back to life" so much as reality changes so that he never got shot.
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Khizan posted:Yeah. What balefire did was destroy something back in time, with the power used determining how far back it erased the thing. The big thing about Balefire is that in a war of wizards, people were undoing people who undid other people and that was what caused so many consequences that both good and evil went "this is forbidden now". Chainfire (which, as someone pointed out earlier, is a real "oh gently caress you you never read WOT" name) just makes everyone think someone vanished but because this world is built on Logic it is the largest threat to existence ever. Well, okay, part of that is that it targeted one of the most important individuals in history, but they still treat the concept of "nobody remembers a piss farmer" as the most dire threat to reality because it makes everyone illogical and thus crazed.
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Mar 8, 2020 21:12
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I always thought it was a play on chain lightning lol
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END ME SCOOB posted:Let's just wrap this bastard before I go to work. Jesus Christ I realized that pages of interminable exposition was what bad writers did instead of actually telling a story sometime in high school. More details in itself isn’t better writing, it’s just a higher page count. Yet here we have Terry Goodkind, best selling author, showing us how it’s done. I hope this hack dies in obscurity. Greater obscurity than now mean. The compete kind. Also this: “Richard gripped his temples between his thumb and second finger”. It’s a minor detail, yet so emblematic of Goodkind’s profound arrogance. Does he think this is a thing that actual humans do? Does he not know where the temples are? Has his colossal ego made it impossible to work with a competent editor that would surely have caught this? TRICK QUESTION IT’S ALL THREE.
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Mar 8, 2020 23:18
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Flared Basic Bitch posted:Jesus Christ I realized that pages of interminable exposition was what bad writers did instead of actually telling a story sometime in high school. More details in itself isn’t better writing, it’s just a higher page count. Yet here we have Terry Goodkind, best selling author, showing us how it’s done. I hope this hack dies in obscurity. Greater obscurity than now mean. The compete kind. Just wait until they play telephone with the exposition. Flared Basic Bitch posted:Also this: “Richard gripped his temples between his thumb and second finger”. It’s a minor detail, yet so emblematic of Goodkind’s profound arrogance. Does he think this is a thing that actual humans do? Does he not know where the temples are? Hate to defend him, but... yes, it is a thing actual humans do, though it's easier with the thumb and middle finger.
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Mar 8, 2020 23:25
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Flared Basic Bitch posted:
The phrasing is bad and awkward, but I do that fairly often. Elbow on desk, head in hand, massage temples. It helps a lot when I get a tension headache, along with consciously relaxing my jaw muscles.
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Mar 8, 2020 23:37
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gschmidl posted:Hate to defend him, but... yes, it is a thing actual humans do, though it's easier with the thumb and middle finger. Terry Goodkind alt spotted.
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Mar 8, 2020 23:39
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gschmidl posted:Just wait until they play telephone with the exposition. What’s the difference between the second finger and the middle finger?
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Mar 8, 2020 23:44
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Khizan posted:The phrasing is bad and awkward, but I do that fairly often. Elbow on desk, head in hand, massage temples. It helps a lot when I get a tension headache, along with consciously relaxing my jaw muscles. Based on the description I still think Goodkind doesn’t know the difference between the bridge of the nose and the temples. But assuming you’re not also a TG alt (you are) why would you do this instead of just using both hands like all right minded folk?
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Mar 8, 2020 23:45
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It depends on if you think of your thumb being a special finger or its own kind of different digit
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Mar 8, 2020 23:46
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TheCenturion posted:What’s the difference between the second finger and the middle finger? As not a native speaker (which makes me totally not Goodkind!), I assumed the second finger was the index finger. Flared Basic Bitch posted:Based on the description I still think Goodkind doesn’t know the difference between the bridge of the nose and the temples. But assuming you’re not also a TG alt (you are) why would you do this instead of just using both hands like all right minded folk?
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Mar 8, 2020 23:54
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gschmidl posted:As not a native speaker This explains so much, alt of famed genius author Terry Goodkind.
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Mar 8, 2020 23:58
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2nd finger is absolutely index finger to goodkind.
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"My hands are really big," explained Richard. "Really big? What do you mean, big?" inquired Kahlan. Nicci was also staring open-mouthed. "A looter, or a person without moral clarity, could never grip his temples between thumb and second finger," said Richard. He looked at the two women, who were still looking at him as if he were mad. He sighed. "Kahlan, do you remember when we encoun
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richard's massive hand enveloped his skull. with a thumb and middle finger perfectly centered on each temple, he began to massage his smooth, wrinkle free brain through the layers of bone and skin and sinewy muscle. he was tired. so tired. this was the fourteenth bernie bro he'd encountered tod
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Gameko posted:I just think it’s nice that Goodkind extrapolated from subtractive magic -> erasing memories -> erasing all memory of something -> destroys the world. Under an author with a soul, this would be a fantastic extrapolation of the concept that killing one person kills the world of their experience and we are lesser for it. Goodkind is not that author.
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Mar 9, 2020 02:56
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Well thanks for the refresher SCOOB et al, been a decade since I got through the 8th WoT book and gave up because of the interminable sideplots. And yet, still sounds like it was a good choice to pick up those doorstoppers vs. Goodkind's literature
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Mar 9, 2020 03:25
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The trick with chainfire is that Goodkind literally just took balefire from WoT and filed the serial numbers off.
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Mar 9, 2020 04:04
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I'm sure Goodkind was "borrowing" the concept of Balefire, but I'm willing to let it slide because I do feel like there are enough differences between it and Chainfire that Chainfire can be it's own thing, even if it is a stupid name for a magic spell that doesn't deal fire-type damage to a linked group of enemies.
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Mar 9, 2020 04:08
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I did like the concept of the verification web to look at spells from a structural level to determine anomalies. I remember it being more drawn out than necessary in the book, though. Was that a rip off of anything else?
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Mar 9, 2020 04:27
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I think that one was original and kind of a cool moment too
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Mar 9, 2020 04:30
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Guest2553 posted:I did like the concept of the verification web to look at spells from a structural level to determine anomalies. I remember it being more drawn out than necessary in the book, though. Was that a rip off of anything else? Ehhh, that was a bit more on the nose with it being analogous to reading the weaves/threads in WoT, just with more jargon involved.
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Mar 9, 2020 04:34
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Gotcha. I haven't read WOT, should have alibied that up front.
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I can get behind the concept of the Chainfire spell. It's Balefire taken to its logical conclusion, of rewriting huge swaths of history to accommodate one really important person being removed from the board entirely and reality eventually breaking down because the changes get more and more outlandish and impossible to reconcile. In the hands of a more competent writer, this could be interesting. in Goodkinds hands, it's just a mess.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:I can get behind the concept of the Chainfire spell. It's Balefire taken to its logical conclusion, of rewriting huge swaths of history to accommodate one really important person being removed from the board entirely and reality eventually breaking down because the changes get more and more outlandish and impossible to reconcile. In the hands of a more competent writer, this could be interesting. It's an insanely cool idea. But yeah, but there's no way Goodkind can do it any kind of justice.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:I can get behind the concept of the Chainfire spell. It's Balefire taken to its logical conclusion, of rewriting huge swaths of history to accommodate one really important person being removed from the board entirely and reality eventually breaking down because the changes get more and more outlandish and impossible to reconcile. In the hands of a more competent writer, this could be interesting. I like that in theory, it doesn't even have to technically be an important person. I mean, yeah, retconning out the Mother Confessor definitely undoes reality a hell of a lot faster, but, they could have blasted some random pig farmer and eventually destroyed reality that way as well. It just may have taken decades instead of weeks. It's still Butterfly Effects all the way down.
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You could even spin that into a moral about how every life matters, no matter how important they may seem in the grand scheme of things or not. Something Goodkind would never do, of course- only
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Malachite_Dragon posted:You could even spin that into a moral about how every life matters, no matter how important they may seem in the grand scheme of things or not. Something Goodkind would never do, of course- only Doubly so because, as we all know, it's morally upright to murder people who disagree politically with you.
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PJOmega ON THIS VERY PAGE posted:Under an author with a soul, this would be a fantastic extrapolation of the concept that killing one person kills the world of their experience and we are lesser for it. Malachite_Dragon posted:You could even spin that into a moral about how every life matters, no matter how important they may seem in the grand scheme of things or not. Something Goodkind would never do, of course- only
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Let Goon Squad be that author. Didn't the forums write a disjointed book at some point where each person wrote a different chapter that carried a cogent plot forward with wildly different writing styles? We can also explore an overlooked facet of zombie apocoli (apocalypses?) - wildlife! Your III% militias might prepared for the
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I know Terry's poo poo and all but lol at the idea that putting one hand to both temples is impossible or strange? Like where do you think the temples are? Guest2553 posted:Let Goon Squad be that author. Didn't the forums write a disjointed book at some point where each person wrote a different chapter that carried a cogent plot forward with wildly different writing styles?
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Mar 12, 2020 19:00
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the bad thread wrote a smut game of Thrones parody called game of bones
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Mar 12, 2020 19:16
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I swear to God if you all use this thread to create Mord-Sith erotic ebooks I'm leaving at the finish line.
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Mar 12, 2020 20:53
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END ME SCOOB posted:I swear to God if you all use this thread to create Mord-Sith erotic ebooks I'm leaving at the finish line. Isn't that just Wizard's First Rule?
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Mar 12, 2020 20:56
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Wizard's 34th Rule, wouldn't it be?
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END ME SCOOB posted:I swear to God if you all use this thread to create Mord-Sith erotic ebooks I'm leaving at the finish line. Of course youd finish yourself off first 
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Mar 12, 2020 21:00
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No, I think we all know that much like everyone to pick up the Sword of Truth I would become an edge-master.
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Noice
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