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sean10mm posted:I mean, the approval for Sanders's platform is so high that if people gave it any weight he'd have already locked up the nomination, but things are trending the opposite way. He's doing great in certain demos, but not as a whole. Being right on policy isn't sufficient for Sanders to win. Hell, if Biden wins being right on policy is arguably not even relevant to the outcome. This reminds me of the 2008 primary season where there were massive amount of online venom spewed arguing over very minor differences between Obama's health care plan and Clinton's health care plan. In the end, when Obama became president, he put forward essentially Clinton's plan and no one cared. Then, the Senate made a bunch of changes (thanks, Joe Lieberman) that further modified the bill so it didn't resemble either candidate's original plan. I don't think voters are crazy for discounting policy differences between democratic candidates when, even under the most favor of circumstances, the senate's deciding vote will be Joe Manchin. It's rational for voters to not care very much about policies when they think its not very likely that any of them will pass, or even if they do pass, won't resemble whatever campaign white paper that the candidate posted in the primary season.
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Ague Proof posted:Rosario Dawson, Cory Booker's girlfriend and committer of hate crimes, has endorsed Bernie. Like half the supposed #LizToBernie staffers melting down, these are not endorsements they're just agents furthering the rude bro narrative because they never loving contribute and only ever want to talk about one thing. The endorsement is just a way to pre-empt and deflect all discussions about actually pertinent issues because "of course I agree with you, I endorsed him, but as a supporter this hostility is really troubling." It's exactly the same as the bad faith posts itt for the past year but on a public platform.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:05
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Bringing up Biden's health just invites conversation about Bernie's heart problems, which is actually diagnosed, and not internet people throwing out armchair diagnoses. Bernie is at a higher risk of dying from COVID-19 from his heart problems as well.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:05
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Raenir Salazar posted:What you're suggesting could very well just end up with the future being a boot stomping on the face of humanity forever. What part of “the Democratic Party is the most immediate barrier that has to be dealt with if there is to be any sort of leftward movement in this country” isn’t sinking in for you? We can figure this out together if you point out what part you don’t understand.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:06
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LinYutang posted:Bringing up Biden's health just invites conversation about Bernie's heart problems, which is actually diagnosed, and not internet people throwing out armchair diagnoses. Bernie is at a higher risk of dying from COVID-19 from his heart problems as well. This is baseless. You have zero evidence to support that Bernie is higher at risk due to his heart problems than say Biden is due to his documented strokes.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:08
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Phone posted:What part of “the Democratic Party is the most immediate barrier that has to be dealt with if there is to be any sort of leftward movement in this country” isn’t sinking in for you? What if the problem is the voters and not the party? I'm open to takes that in 2016 the party put its thumb heavily on the scale for Clinton but in 2020 Biden had no money, very few endorsements until Clyburn, and many other candidates in the moderate lane.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:09
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We’re a lost cause here in FL. Biden will win by 30+
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Mar 10, 2020 15:09
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Could Bernie win by default if something happened to Biden?
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Mar 10, 2020 15:11
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LinYutang posted:Bringing up Biden's health just invites conversation about Bernie's heart problems, which is actually diagnosed, and not internet people throwing out armchair diagnoses. Bernie is at a higher risk of dying from COVID-19 from his heart problems as well. Biden's rapidly declining ability to say words <> Bernie getting a stent that increased his level of energy substantially. Specifically one of these makes it impossible to win against Trump, while the other merely decreases it. Furthermore I think you should look into Biden's health records, if you actually think Bernie is at a higher risk of dying of Covid-19 than him.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:13
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Kraftwerk posted:Could Bernie win by default if something happened to Biden? More likely the convention would pick someone else by reassigning his delegates however they want. Superdelegates have already been theory crafting alternatives I'm sure. They show up to the convention, Vince McMahon's theme plays, and Hillary enters.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:15
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Pingui posted:Furthermore I think you should look into Biden's health records, if you actually think Bernie is at a higher risk of dying of Covid-19 than him. Bernie still hasn't released his medical records right? So hard to compare. It's loving stupid that the choice boils down to two men over 75 who both have health liabilities but here we are.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:16
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mr whistler posted:This reminds me of the 2008 primary season where there were massive amount of online venom spewed arguing over very minor differences between Obama's health care plan and Clinton's health care plan. In the end, when Obama became president, he put forward essentially Clinton's plan and no one cared. Then, the Senate made a bunch of changes (thanks, Joe Lieberman) that further modified the bill so it didn't resemble either candidate's original plan. Also on policy, the only difference people will even care about is how does it compare to Trump. If Trump would be rated 0/100 on an issue and Biden is 5/100 - that is all that matters to a lot of voters. They aren't sitting around making the calculus that it is better Biden lose and they deal with 4 more years of 0/100 and then hope someone better comes around in 2024. The establishment won against the progressives in 2016, seem to be winning even more in 2020 despite their guy having episodes of dementia at every public event and barely any campaign operation to speak of, and will probably win in 2024. If you think the entire establishment won't line up behind someone in 2024 against AOC/whoever Bernie hands the torch over to, you are sorely mistaken. If anything, 2020 probably emboldens the establishment as they can write off 2016's resistance to their candidate of choice as people's unique dislike of Hillary.
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mr whistler posted:Bernie still hasn't released his medical records right? So hard to compare. It's loving stupid that the choice boils down to two men over 75 who both have health liabilities but here we are. Just vote for trump. He is younger and in better health.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:17
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We have two 80 year olds running - this is some gerontocracy level poo poo
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Mar 10, 2020 15:17
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V. Illych L. posted:sanders is very old, this is probably his last rodeo I don’t see why not to burn this shithouse down if he gets bumped out. Go low, gently caress poo poo up. They hosed around, now follow through and show them what happens.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:19
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mr whistler posted:Bernie still hasn't released his medical records right? So hard to compare. It's loving stupid that the choice boils down to two men over 75 who both have health liabilities but here we are. Bernie has, yes. While Biden's release explicitly states that a cognitive test has not been performed, because campaigning is a test of cognition. Which I suppose is correct, only he is failing said test.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:19
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Shere posted:More likely the convention would pick someone else by reassigning his delegates however they want. Superdelegates have already been theory crafting alternatives I'm sure. I’m pretty sure Hillary getting the nomination again would turn more Americans accelerationalists than just about anything else.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:19
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Pingui posted:Bernie has, yes. While Biden's release explicitly states that a cognitive test has not been performed, because campaigning is a test of cognition. Which I suppose is correct, only he is failing said test. Serious question, when? I remember there were some stories about Bernie refusing to release his medical records but haven't seen any follow-up stories in a few weeks.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:20
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mr whistler posted:Serious question, when? I remember there were some stories about Bernie refusing to release his medical records but haven't seen any follow-up stories in a few weeks. There is no "long form" medical record, besides what you may have been told.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:21
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mr whistler posted:Serious question, when? I remember there were some stories about Bernie refusing to release his medical records but haven't seen any follow-up stories in a few weeks. nobody releases their medical records because it's none of anybody's concern if bernie sanders is impotent
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Mar 10, 2020 15:21
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Has Bernie done this cognitive test that Biden is missing?
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Mar 10, 2020 15:22
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Raenir Salazar posted:This is disingenuous and also demonstrative of why people are voting for Biden. how is it disingenuous? every election since goldwater is "the last election", the one after which the brownshirts will start rounding up undesireables if you don't vote for whichever corporate puppet the party heads decide on. I mean look at your posts: Raenir Salazar posted:What you're suggesting could very well just end up with the future being a boot stomping on the face of humanity forever. what else do I call this except alarmism and also willful blindness to the already existing violence being perpetrated by pleasant looking men and women, sometimes wearing tan suits
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Mar 10, 2020 15:22
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shrike82 posted:Has Bernie done this cognitive test that Biden is missing? What is this? Do you think that theres a medical ACT or something ?
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Mar 10, 2020 15:23
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mr whistler posted:This reminds me of the 2008 primary season where there were massive amount of online venom spewed arguing over very minor differences between Obama's health care plan and Clinton's health care plan. In the end, when Obama became president, he put forward essentially Clinton's plan and no one cared. Then, the Senate made a bunch of changes (thanks, Joe Lieberman) that further modified the bill so it didn't resemble either candidate's original plan. Has there ever been a non-lovely senator named Joe?
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V. Illych L. posted:nobody releases their medical records because it's none of anybody's concern if bernie sanders is impotent I think it's a reasonable question because in 2019 Bernie promised to release all of his medical records and then went back on that promise after his heart attack.
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shrike82 posted:Has Bernie done this cognitive test that Biden is missing? Nobody seems to be doubting his cognitive abilities, do you think there is reason to perform a cognitive ability test on Bernie? Meanwhile people have been discussing Biden's mental faculties almost from the date he announced.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:25
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He’s hitting 80 and had a heart attack recently.
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Shere posted:More likely the convention would pick someone else by reassigning his delegates however they want. Superdelegates have already been theory crafting alternatives I'm sure. I didn't see that coming and almost vomited at the punchline
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Mar 10, 2020 15:26
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shrike82 posted:He’s hitting 80 and had a heart attack recently. Please link to timestamps from his town hall last night where his cognition seemed slowed or faltering.
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Breakfast All Day posted:Please link to timestamps from his town hall last night where his cognition seemed slowed or faltering. Oh it’s him saying he’s going to support Biden when he loses.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:30
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mr whistler posted:I think it's a reasonable question because in 2019 Bernie promised to release all of his medical records and then went back on that promise after his heart attack. It’s a concern troll. No matter what Bernie provided, it was never going to be enough. Especially for all of the dipshits from Columbia University with journalism degrees writing stories about how they thumbed through his medical records and found it to be interesting. What would you do if I demanded to see all of your medical records going back to the pediatrician you had in 6th grade? What does collecting all of your medical records look like? If you had a month and half a dozen people working full time to collect and organize your medical records from the last 20 years, could you do it? No gaps. You have to get all of those one off Planned Parenthood STD tests, also don’t forget any of the records from when you went to the student health center. By the way, if you fail to do so, I’m going to spend 9 months on twitter hemming and hawing about how dishonest you are.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:31
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gandlethorpe posted:Has there ever been a non-lovely senator named Joe? Joe-sus Christ 
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Mat Cauthon posted:
Ignoring the Holocaust aesthetic, is the line work all lovely and crooked on purpose, like they're trying to emulate some lovely font Warren used or something? And at least incorporate the actual color into the tattoo somewhere. She looks like she's in an actual shop so it's not some lovely kitchen scratcher. mr whistler posted:I think it's a reasonable question because in 2019 Bernie promised to release all of his medical records and then went back on that promise after his heart attack. I don't have the link right now but Bernie released letters from three doctors discussing his physical health and his recovery from his heart attack, and Sanjay Gupta on CNN said that that was sufficient evidence for him to think Bernie was in fine health. There aren't long-form records that would help anyone in this thread or the media diagnose Bernie beyond what's said in those letters, so demanding he release blood test results so we know his exact hormone levels or something is dumb and pointless.
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Phone posted:It’s a concern troll. No matter what Bernie provided, it was never going to be enough. Especially for all of the dipshits from Columbia University with journalism degrees writing stories about how they thumbed through his medical records and found it to be interesting. And if you actually do it, they will be asking for the "long form". Because it is about creating perception that something terribly disqualifying is hidden, not getting to the truth. Anybody concern trolling about this with what has been released, either don't remember how concern trolling about official documents like birth certificates work or are not honest actors.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:36
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Ignoring the Holocaust aesthetic, is the line work all lovely and crooked on purpose, like they're trying to emulate some lovely font Warren used or something? And at least incorporate the actual color into the tattoo somewhere. She looks like she's in an actual shop so it's not some lovely kitchen scratcher. It’s Warrens handwriting.
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It’s kind of crazy to think that Bernie is going to end his political career propping up a politician that’s the antithesis of his life’s work
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Mar 10, 2020 15:37
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LinYutang posted:armchair diagnoses Have you watched a clip of Biden sundowning yet I know cognitive health is a huge messy subject with wide gray areas, but Biden is FAR ACROSS THE LINE into need for geriatric memory care he needs to be spending this time resting, receiving therapy, and making good memories with his extended family
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Wicked Them Beats posted:I don't have the link right now but Bernie released letters from three doctors discussing his physical health and his recovery from his heart attack, and Sanjay Gupta on CNN said that that was sufficient evidence for him to think Bernie was in fine health. I think it's reasonable to conclude he's in good health, it's just incongruent with what he promised in the middle of 2019: quote:“People do have a right to know about the health of … someone running for president … we will make all of our medical records public.”
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Mar 10, 2020 15:38
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shrike82 posted:It’s kind of crazy to think that Bernie is going to end his political career propping up a politician that’s the antithesis of his life’s work Don't forget everyone still feverishly donating to Bernie's War Chest That Will Be Handed Right Over To Joe Just Like it Was To Hillary. They're to blame too. Every last donor. Funding Dirty Joe like that. Shameful. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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