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Shadowstar
May 19, 2003

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Yeah I hear people on being bored and if you want faster progression the best thing to do is probably put it down for a few months and come back to a load of PP and a new feature or two to play with.

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Kin
Nov 4, 2003

Sometimes, in a city this dirty, you need a real hero.
So, i've just maxxed out my beast gear (including all the boosts), though i seem to be 10s of billions energy/power short of being able to enter the chocolate world zone.

I've got all my NGUs up to a million but is my next move just to spend a lot of time in advanced training to boost things up? Or is there an obvious thing i'm missing at this point which typically closes that huge gap?

I've got my BEARd running and adventure stat gold digger on and i'm slowly eating adventure stat seeds every 24 hours.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
- Stick to 24 hour rebirths. Building up the passive beard bonuses is going to be a big help.
- Buy the beard and advanced training bank perks (and time machine while you're at it, might as well).
- Once you're close, you can consider doing a longer rebirth to get your BEARd and advanced training bonuses over the line. But you're not close right now, so don't think about it yet.
- Keep working those NGUs. Pump your xp into energy and magic until you can solid-bar all your ngus at once. (With ngu diggers running, of course).

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
Also don't forget blood magic plus blood digger for Iron pill, spending XP on Adventure Stats is also a good idea.

Kin
Nov 4, 2003

Sometimes, in a city this dirty, you need a real hero.

Jabor posted:

- Stick to 24 hour rebirths. Building up the passive beard bonuses is going to be a big help.
- Buy the beard and advanced training bank perks (and time machine while you're at it, might as well).
- Once you're close, you can consider doing a longer rebirth to get your BEARd and advanced training bonuses over the line. But you're not close right now, so don't think about it yet.
- Keep working those NGUs. Pump your xp into energy and magic until you can solid-bar all your ngus at once. (With ngu diggers running, of course).

Cool, yeah, i've been doing 24 hours to align with seeds and i'm slowly working my way through the banks (though my PP earnings are quite weak so it's taking a while)
What NGU levels should i be aiming for at chocolate world, just to give me a ballpark figure of how far i am away. Are we talking 10 million or more like 100 million?


ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Also don't forget blood magic plus blood digger for Iron pill, spending XP on Adventure Stats is also a good idea.

Aha, i forgot about the exp -> adventure stats. I've barely touched those. I was told the iron pill is nigh useless though for where i am? I've got enough magic to cap out the Turn Yourself Inside out Blood magic pill, so i'm raking in blood, but it says it's just going to add a measly few thousand to my adventure stats when i need billions.

Oodles
Oct 31, 2005

I’ve got 4.5million Adventure A, and 10k Adventure B and I can idle choco and idle Beast v3.

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


I'm a bit ahead of where you are (evil prep) and haven't had to touch xp->stats yet. The main thing that stuck out to me is having all your NGUs at 1m, when I still don't even have my respawn and wandoos above 800-900k. You prolly wanna focus your NGU time more specifically on adv/drop stats with some of the non-PAWGs as bonuses.

Ineptitude
Mar 2, 2010

Heed my words and become a master of the Heart (of Thorns).
What card rarity is the optimal treshold for casting and yeeting?

I have a decent initial boost to the important (imo) stats now so im going to start being more picky with what rarities i cast.
I have ~500% energy NGU, ~250% Magic/PP/QP/wishes/hacks/adventure

I have not cast any/many of the other stats yet.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Kin posted:

Cool, yeah, i've been doing 24 hours to align with seeds and i'm slowly working my way through the banks (though my PP earnings are quite weak so it's taking a while)
What NGU levels should i be aiming for at chocolate world, just to give me a ballpark figure of how far i am away. Are we talking 10 million or more like 100 million?


Aha, i forgot about the exp -> adventure stats. I've barely touched those. I was told the iron pill is nigh useless though for where i am? I've got enough magic to cap out the Turn Yourself Inside out Blood magic pill, so i'm raking in blood, but it says it's just going to add a measly few thousand to my adventure stats when i need billions.

base stats are extremely valuable and once you've maxed your bosses, what else are you spending blood on?

Feline Mind Meld
Jun 14, 2007

I'm pretty creeped out
Yeah iron pills kicks rear end and not getting to do it in sad sucks v badly

Kin
Nov 4, 2003

Sometimes, in a city this dirty, you need a real hero.
Really? I thought someone told me earlier in the thread that it's usefulness rapidly declines and things like gear carry much more impact for stat increases.

Sage Grimm
Feb 18, 2013

Let's go explorin' little dude!
It bumps up again once you get the Iron Pill Also/Still Sucks Perks in mid-Evil, topping out in the millions. Late-Evil that's a less than 1% increase to your base stats but as said earlier there's not much else to burn blood on after topping up Number, Drop Rate, and Gold early in a run.

Feline Mind Meld
Jun 14, 2007

I'm pretty creeped out
It's like guffs. Sure each pool isn't a lot but they really really add up

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
I just realized that hacks max out at around 7k lvls. I was still pumping R3 cap and power with my xp, even though it was literally useless.

New Yorp New Yorp
Jul 18, 2003

Only in Kenya.
Pillbug

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

I just realized that hacks max out at around 7k lvls. I was still pumping R3 cap and power with my xp, even though it was literally useless.

R3 is also used for wishes, so it's not useless. Unless you're out of wishes, I guess. I'm also surprised you've maxed out your hacks. Mine are only around 4-5k.

KazigluBey
Oct 30, 2011

boner

Oh no...



Oh God no...

[Not pictured because I forgot to take a screen: My Ascended x7 being ~80K Special away from completing and joining Looty in my active gear set. Now with the brand new Purple text at the top]

Whelp, might as well.



Hail Satin. Tasty bonuses though, ngl.

Right, so, I was baaarely able (lets say it was gtg) to online L100 Looty/Amulet last hop, what's it look like this time?



It would legit be High Comedy if the next tier comes out juuuuust around the three month mark. Oh well, I'll 100'd them probably faster than that, if the Money pit decides to be merciful and not expend itself too much on Equipped Gear +1s.

Jokes aside, I don't actually mind it too much, I'm more bothered by having to repeat the process to L100 the (now) previous tier, for active accessory completeness sake. Maybe once you've L100'd an item once (that isn't a Guffin/Quest/Booster/whatever other repeat exploitable item) you'd get a substantial bonus to Daycaring a subsequent copy?

comingafteryouall
Aug 2, 2011


Nice, new update in NGU. I was only on V2 of it hungers before the new update hit, first time in a while I haven't been able to blow past a few zones first thing.

Looking forward to slowly working up past the rest, and I'm going to have to actually work on my attack/defense stats to get to new zones.

Liking the pace of updates 4G!

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.




If I threw daycare gear on I'm sure it'd be a bit crazy.

KazigluBey
Oct 30, 2011

boner

pixaal posted:



If I threw daycare gear on I'm sure it'd be a bit crazy.

Just for comparison's sake, sans gear what are you bonuses at? I'm curious about which one I'm lagging the worst.



My guess is Digger, since just having transitioned to Sadistic that's taken a major hit.

e.: With gear on I can drop to it just shy of 18 hours per, so that's roughy 75 days. Not bad, gonna have to see if I can take the hit to other stats I was running but it might be worth it.

KazigluBey fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Mar 9, 2020

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


KazigluBey posted:

Just for comparison's sake, sans gear what are you bonuses at? I'm curious about which one I'm lagging the worst.



My guess is Digger, since just having transitioned to Sadistic that's taken a major hit.

e.: With gear on I can drop to it just shy of 18 hours per, so that's roughy 75 days. Not bad, gonna have to see if I can take the hit to other stats I was running but it might be worth it.

KazigluBey
Oct 30, 2011

boner

Oh, it was hacks, huh. Neat, thanks!

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


Considering how low cards are that's probably doing more than you think it is too since everything is multiplicative not additive. Hacks are certainly doing most of that lifting though.

KazigluBey
Oct 30, 2011

boner

Yeah I've been laser-focused on ADV cards, only popping others if they're at the two highest tiers of quality. I might make a short Daycare detour and get it to around where yours is, 5%.

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


I cast any card good or better and just about every single PP QP and ADV card and have ~30 of each mayo still. I've pretty much chucked every A/D card though other than Hot Damns.

KazigluBey
Oct 30, 2011

boner

I have no idea how you have that much mayo to go around, but I guess it's just the stage of the game you're at. I still have to ration stuff out and can barely afford to pop all the ADV + other rare cards.

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


KazigluBey posted:

I have no idea how you have that much mayo to go around, but I guess it's just the stage of the game you're at. I still have to ration stuff out and can barely afford to pop all the ADV + other rare cards.

24h fruit probably. It gives a lot, I also have pretty much every mayo gen upgrade.

KazigluBey
Oct 30, 2011

boner

Huh, really? How much does one yield you, per 24 hours?

It's a moot point though because 24ing each of the suckers is a looooooong way away when Ive barely broken into Sadistic, lol, at level 9 they aren't anything to write home about.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
I wasn't sure how good the Faceless Bloodline would be in Realm Grinder but I've got 90 minutes since rebirth and 13K Mana so that's a loving lot?!

New Yorp New Yorp
Jul 18, 2003

Only in Kenya.
Pillbug

Pope Guilty posted:

I wasn't sure how good the Faceless Bloodline would be in Realm Grinder but I've got 90 minutes since rebirth and 13K Mana so that's a loving lot?!

Every bloodline is really good for something at some point.

Omi no Kami
Feb 19, 2014


I've read a few different evil mode guides that all recommend skipping evilverse/level 100 place in favor of rushing the next titan, is the implication that it's faster to raise your adventure stats with weeks/months of NGU? That doesn't seem likely... a day of idling in the evilverse got me up to level 12ish on all of its drops, and by the time I have them maxed out I'll probably have barely enough A/T to idle the next zone, but I'm nowhere close to having enough stats for the titan.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
Most people will have been screwing around in standard churning out challenges and the like, and won't have much trouble reaching the adventure stats for the later zones.

If you can manual the next titan, the gear is easier to get and also much stronger than the zones in between.

Xtanstic
Nov 23, 2007

Omi no Kami posted:

I've read a few different evil mode guides that all recommend skipping evilverse/level 100 place in favor of rushing the next titan, is the implication that it's faster to raise your adventure stats with weeks/months of NGU? That doesn't seem likely... a day of idling in the evilverse got me up to level 12ish on all of its drops, and by the time I have them maxed out I'll probably have barely enough A/T to idle the next zone, but I'm nowhere close to having enough stats for the titan.

If it matters, I ignored that advice. I just farmed up evilverse before I could consistantly push A/D to kill the titan.

Omi no Kami
Feb 19, 2014


Xtanstic posted:

If it matters, I ignored that advice. I just farmed up evilverse before I could consistantly push A/D to kill the titan.

Hmkay, thanks! I'm probably going to just forget about it for a year/forever, because I'm finding the transition from having things to do to just sitting on NGU/ITOPOD for weeks at a time to be brutally unengaging, but I'm glad to know I wasn't being completely silly by idling for evilverse gear. :)

Luffles
Jul 25, 2007

The Bird of Hermes Is My Name, Eating My Wings To Make Me Tame
Dear 4g, it’s me, ya boi, Luffles. Good idle game. Love it. Need bonuses to make me feel better inside.

Ikwaylx
Aug 19, 2011

Drop the bandibass!

Hey guys, I'm pretty early on in NGU, currently farming GRB for the chef's gear in between grinding the Sky for boosts. I was wondering how long I should be doing quick rebirths for. I find my EXP per rebirth is still fairly low (About 400 EXP up to a GRB kill) which goes instantly to energy power, cap and bars. I'm almost at the recommended stats for the Grand Corrupted Tree but it's very slow progress at the moment. Should I be putting my EXP into anything different?

and the claw won!
Jul 10, 2008

Ikwaylx posted:

Hey guys, I'm pretty early on in NGU, currently farming GRB for the chef's gear in between grinding the Sky for boosts. I was wondering how long I should be doing quick rebirths for. I find my EXP per rebirth is still fairly low (About 400 EXP up to a GRB kill) which goes instantly to energy power, cap and bars. I'm almost at the recommended stats for the Grand Corrupted Tree but it's very slow progress at the moment. Should I be putting my EXP into anything different?

With low level GRB gear you should be able to dip into the next zone and scoop up the clockwork set, which mostly outclasses GRB's stuff pretty quickly. Short rebirths are still good until Tree gives you a reason to do longer ones. But yeah there's not much to spend EXP on other than energy, magic, and a few one-time grabs like boost recycling.

Feline Mind Meld
Jun 14, 2007

I'm pretty creeped out
Who wants 2 date some cats?

4g after ngui I demand a dating sim

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
An idle dating sim?

Anfauglir
Jun 8, 2007

Pope Guilty posted:

An idle dating sim?

Not only does it exist, it has porn DLC!

loving steam gives me the worst recommendations sometimes

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filthychimp
Jan 2, 2006
Damned dirty ape
When you think about it, Tokimeki Memorial is really just a thinly disguised clicker. You want that cute girlfriend, you gotta make your Numbers Go Up first

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