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Arist posted:Can someone clear something up for me? I feel kind of stupid because I don't quite understand the nature of the competition between Precincts 41 and 57. When you first talk about it Kim says that it's about who has to police Martinaise and that he volunteered as the representative to spoil it, which to me meant that he intended to show up and do a good job to gently caress over his precinct because winning meant they'd get jurisdiction over Martinaise, which they don't want. But when you tell him you think Precinct 41 sent you as a joke to gently caress with 57, Kim says he thinks both precincts would prefer a win. So... it's not about who has to police Martinaise? Why wouldn't they find someone better than Kim (who himself admits he isn't 57's finest officer, though he's selling himself short)? Sorry if I'm missing something obvious. Both precincts sent their best officer.
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TommyGun85 posted:The title screen is a view of Martenaise from The Deserter's vantage point. That is cool.
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Mar 11, 2020 01:17
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Was Harry really that good an officer? I mean he must have been at least competent at some stage hence his rank, but that could in part come from being on the force a long time, and I think the whole thing with his clearance rate is a bit suspect if the cases in his ledger are anything to go by. They're mostly bullshit cases dealing (violently in one case) with drunks and delinquents, not murders and stuff
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Mar 11, 2020 02:32
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Wafflecopper posted:Was Harry really that good an officer? I mean he must have been at least competent at some stage hence his rank, but that could in part come from beng on the force a long time, and I think the whole thing with his clearance rate is a bit suspect if the cases in his ledger are anything to go by. They're mostly bullshit cases dealing (violently in one case) with drunks and delinquents, not murders and stuff harry was a superb officer. like, superhumanly good. this is verified by literally everyone who has any familiarity with his record problem is that he wasn't superhuman, and his dedication to the job was destroying him
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Mar 11, 2020 02:36
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Oxxidation posted:harry was a superb officer. like, superhumanly good based on what? i'm willing to listen to an actual argument but you're gonna have to do better than just asserting it e: okay nice stealth edit, to be fair it's been a few weeks since i played and i don't remember exactly what was said about his record by his colleagues Wafflecopper fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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Mar 11, 2020 02:37
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Wafflecopper posted:based on what? i'm willing to listen to an actual argument but you're gonna have to do better than just asserting it the clipboard. it has a tally of his solved cases and talking to kim shows that it means harry's a real good detective
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Mar 11, 2020 02:43
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Wafflecopper posted:based on what? i'm willing to listen to an actual argument but you're gonna have to do better than just asserting it kim's reaction to going through harry's file amounts to "holy poo poo," and that conversation alone is enough to gain "trusted" status with him. even vicquemare begrudgingly admits he was a superb officer even though he was an absolute nightmare to work with it's not just harry's clearance rate (which numbers in the hundreds, so you can't just extrapolate three cases from the whole thing) - it's that he cleared cases at a rate comparable to entire squads of normal cops, without resorting to lethal force or overt displays of corruption e: and that's not even counting in-game actions like the footprint analysis or his "can opener" moniker. half the reason everything in martinaise went to hell is that people involved with the case learned that harrier du bois was coming to town and collectively poo poo their pants Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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Mar 11, 2020 02:44
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Oxxidation posted:it's that he cleared cases at a rate comparable to entire squads of normal cops, without resorting to lethal force or overt displays of corruption doesn't that just make the quality of his cases more suspect though? if they were "real" cases he wouldn't be able to do that, they involve too much actual work to just bang them out
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Mar 11, 2020 02:47
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Wafflecopper posted:doesn't that just make the quality of his cases more suspect though? if they were "real" cases he wouldn't be able to do that, they involve too much actual work to just bang them out read the rest of the post. they were real cases, they did involve that much work, and harry cleared them anyway because he was a kamikaze supercop who ground case after case into dust because that and alcohol were the only ways to escape from the screaming voices in his head "He is the infernal engine. He never stops. He just gets worse."
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Mar 11, 2020 02:52
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Wafflecopper posted:doesn't that just make the quality of his cases more suspect though? if they were "real" cases he wouldn't be able to do that, they involve too much actual work to just bang them out I mean, even Ruby knows you by reputation.
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Mar 11, 2020 02:52
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The entire reason he's tolerated by his department and was given his own special crimes unit is his competence as an investigator. In one of the case files he's assigned to a supposedly hard case that another detective had been working on for months and solved it in an afternoon. He solves it again when he reads the file! If his clearance rate was bullshit, why did they give him a unit? He pissed the unit away, but they outright state that it was once filled with the finest cops in the city before he drove them away.
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Mar 11, 2020 02:55
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Oxxidation posted:read the rest of the post. i did, there's no need to be condescending. i just didn't find that part of it particularly convincing and felt like the rest of your argument relied on it so that's the part i wanted to respond to in particular. like yeah you're probably right, he does seem to have a reputation, and maybe the bullshit cases are just a recent thing, it's just that to me the whole super cop thing stretches credibility
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Mar 11, 2020 02:58
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Wafflecopper posted:based on what? i'm willing to listen to an actual argument but you're gonna have to do better than just asserting it
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Wafflecopper posted:i did, there's no need to be condescending. i just didn't find that part of it particularly convincing and felt like the rest of your argument relied on it so that's the part i wanted to respond to in particular. like yeah you're probably right, he does seem to have a reputation, it's just that to me the whole super cop thing stretches credibility When you play as Harry, you are basically working nonstop from 7 am to 2 am, doing nothing but investigating (directly or indirectly) the murder. You do not take breaks. You are a relentless engine of focus and drive. It's a video game so maybe you don't think about it, but that is superhuman dedication and ability. If that is how Harry functioned in the past, such an amazing record makes sense. I don't think there's any text in the game to suggest he is a fraud beyond just showing how damaged he is by this pathological workaholism.
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You know, I just realized it's probably half way. He was a competent and overworked cop, but his spectacular clearance rate might also be him counting the unit's clearances too. It wouldn't be all of it, but the latter half could be inflated from that. They would be doing a ton of legwork for him.
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Mar 11, 2020 03:04
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Mr. Prokosch posted:You know, I just realized it's probably half way. He was a competent and overworked cop, but his spectacular clearance rate might also be him counting the unit's clearances too. It wouldn't be all of it, but the latter half could be inflated from that. They would be doing a ton of legwork for him. all officers get individual clipboards according to kim, and harry's special unit loathed him because he did all the work himself and kept pushing the others away for crimping his style
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Mar 11, 2020 03:06
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Mr. Lobe posted:When you play as Harry, you are basically working nonstop from 7 am to 2 am, doing nothing but investigating (directly or indirectly) the murder. You do not take breaks. You are a relentless engine of focus and drive. It's a video game so maybe you don't think about it, but that is superhuman dedication and ability. The fact that I sometimes would get stuck and wasn't able to advance time until I found relevant clues also reinforced this notion. I felt like I wasn't even allowed to take breaks even though sometimes (as a player) I wanted to take a break and proceed to the next day.
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Kim tells him that with the amount of cases he's solved and the time he's been in the RCM he's in the 90th percentile of all RCM officers. edit: woah lol like 6 people posted in the time between me not refreshing the page and then posting that. But yeah, Kim basically says 'holy poo poo, you solved 183 cases??' and you're like 'uh is that good?' and he's like 'gently caress yes it is, thank god that this wasn't the nightmare I was thinking it was', and I think that's why the pissing competition is brought up. He might think they sent you to gently caress with him, but then he realizes that you're a supercop. imhotep fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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Wafflecopper posted:i did, there's no need to be condescending. i just didn't find that part of it particularly convincing and felt like the rest of your argument relied on it so that's the part i wanted to respond to in particular. like yeah you're probably right, he does seem to have a reputation, and maybe the bullshit cases are just a recent thing, it's just that to me the whole super cop thing stretches credibility The supercop thing could also be how the game grounds the player's actions. Gym teacher, Jamrock Shuffle, etc. Doing pretty much nothing but directly investigating the case or doing stereo-investigation from 7:30am to 2am every day. You can't even spend time by drinking and popping pills, those are just how you happen to do your work if applicable. I don't think this is why your character is a supercop, but it's a fun thought. Speaking of drinking and popping pills, I wonder what people think about the way the game's systems handle alcohol/smokes/speed/etc. It's not really tempting to use them unless that's your roleplay aim. I also don't like the way the game encourages you to hoard skill points to "force" white checks, it means you end up not developing your skills properly (and therefore missing out on passives, which are often some of the game's most fun writing)
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I didn't hoard any points the entire game, like, I immediately leveled up as soon as I could, or put a thought in my thought cabinet as soon as I had the opportunity, and only removed a thought once because the debuff while learning it was messing up a pretty important late game series of events. I didn't even think about saving levels until I saw that people in this thread were doing that and I thought I was dumb for not thinking of it, but I got to experience pretty much everything in the game despite having a terribly balanced character at the beginning and also just leveling up like a regular RPG character would.
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Look fellas, I can buy the world as a series of islands floating in unreality, the wisdom of a kaiju stick insect, and my talking tie, but a cop being really good at his job is just beyond the pale.
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Breetai posted:Look fellas, I can buy the world as a series of islands floating in unreality, the wisdom of a kaiju stick insect, and my talking tie, but a cop being really good at his job is just beyond the pale. those aren't remotely the same thing, come on
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Mar 11, 2020 06:01
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Breetai posted:a cop being really good at his job is just beyond the pale. Technically this is true.
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Mar 11, 2020 06:04
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Chairman Mao posted:Technically this is true. +1 Reaction Speed: Safety’s always off Empty hand slots give Suggestion +1
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Harry's the whole archetype of the brilliant driven detective with near-paranatural abilities and massive personality defects to go with them, taken to the point of complete burnout because it's an incredibly unhealthy way to live. I think it ties in with the game mechanics- Harry gaining experience and unlocking skill points, even using them on the fly to have a better chance at figuring out how to do things, is him remembering how to do them, and recovering things he used to be able to do before he woke up in the detritus of his own attempts to destroy himself. Outside of the context of the game, a fully functioning Harry is probably more like a 6/6/6/6 run- in which case it's no wonder he became a burnt out drug-addled wreck, given all of those skills and aspects of his psyche become a cacophany of arguing voices with personality defects and political opinions. The implication that he does have an actual art degree, and the only other way to kill time other than working on on the case is to read, I get the impression he's also a lot more intellectual than he first appears, and might have wanted to become a writer or critic but ended up a gym teacher probably because of lack of opportunity and his qualifications not getting him anywhere else, until he joined an underfunded understaffed police force and his real talents became apparent.
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I got a black and orange reversible nylon bomber jacket because I loved Kim’s so much and I forgot about bomber/nylon jackets like that until this game. No cop irl would have such a sick sense of fashion and also have spinners.
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goon reaction to disco elysium: "hmm maybe being a police officer is very easy" i initially took that video with the designer where he says "you really need to drum a message into players six or seven times otherwise they'll ignore it" as hyperbole, but, well
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:goon reaction to disco elysium: "hmm maybe being a police officer is very easy" i don't think anybody is saying that?
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yes well you've kind of got a proven inability to process text, haven't you
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:yes well you've kind of got a proven inability to process text, haven't you it's been a while since i played and i conceded the point. why are you being a dick?
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Mr. Prokosch posted:You know, I just realized it's probably half way. He was a competent and overworked cop, but his spectacular clearance rate might also be him counting the unit's clearances too. It wouldn't be all of it, but the latter half could be inflated from that. They would be doing a ton of legwork for him. Nope, he only got that recently. It was an attempt by his partner to stop his hilarious slide into oblivion, and as has been mentioned he regularly tells them all to gently caress off because they are cramping his style. Then he goes on to solve the case anyway. There's no catch, no secret. He's a totally amazing detective, period, end quote. And it's killing him. e: Like look at the timeline of his descent into regular blackout drunk. Then look at the time when he got his most recent offer of promotion. It's dead in the middle of it. Even in the process of trying to kill himself he is still such an amazing detective they offered him Captain again. More notably even in the midst of his self-hatred for himself? He still couldn't give up the job at that point. He turned it down, again, to stay a working detective. Mulva fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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The big difference with the case of the game is that it's quite possibly the first one where he can possibly come out of it less of a human trainwreck than he started. (If only because the only way is up)
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Actually, in regards to drugs, I did very little actual use of drugs throughout my playthroughs because of how they work mechanically. Do other characters actually react if you're high on various things all the time, or at least when you're talking to them?
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Veryslightlymad posted:Actually, in regards to drugs, I did very little actual use of drugs throughout my playthroughs because of how they work mechanically. Do other characters actually react if you're high on various things all the time, or at least when you're talking to them? Not really. YOU are the only victim of your drug abuse. Winners don't use drugs. Just say no. Crack is whack. BOO!
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Veryslightlymad posted:Actually, in regards to drugs, I did very little actual use of drugs throughout my playthroughs because of how they work mechanically. Do other characters actually react if you're high on various things all the time, or at least when you're talking to them? Kim did mention my drug abuse during the denouement, so I imagine that won't happen if you keep it clean during your playthrough.
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What would've happened to Captain Pryce if Harrier had accepted the promotion to captain? Would he have retired? I assume they wouldn't have split up the massively oversized Jamrock precinct as I'm fairly sure that's a question of funding more than anything else.
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I just beat the DE a second time with a 3/3/3/3 character, ending at 4/4/4/4 with min-maxing the thought cabinets. I love this game so much. I discovered the hidden pinball arcade in the Whirling in Rags, and finding out Kim was an undercover cop for youth crime AND a pinball wizard. I think the only flaw I can think of is maybe some more work on the Thought Cabinet mechanics. I never liked having to spend a skill point on removing a thought after it was found to be a dud. I think it would of worked better if it was free to remove the thought, but the rhomboid that it filled will grey out and you can't fit a new thought in there until the next day or something.
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Given the character you play as I'm surprised it's not harder to forget thoughts once you've internalized them.
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Chairman Mao posted:Given the character you play as I'm surprised it's not harder to forget thoughts once you've internalized them. Technically, youve already forgotten all thoughts at the start of the game.
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Oxxidation posted:even vicquemare begrudgingly admits he was a superb officer even though he was an absolute nightmare to work with another very important fact is that harry denied promotion to captain twice, which is why he is lieutenant double-yefreitor in rank I am curious to see whether that gets explored in the expansion, because the relationship between him and Jamrock's captain must be very interesting
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