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| R. Allin-Khan |
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6 | 1.60% |
| R. Burgon |
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80 | 21.33% |
| D. Butler |
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72 | 19.20% |
| A. Rayner |
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| I. Murray |
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| P. Flaps |
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177 | 47.20% |
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Crankit posted:This Dr Nurse guy makes it seem like the coronavirus will be quite bad. https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching I have a feeling the result of the pandemic in the US will cast a rather bad light on private healthcare. It'll be hard for the government to sell the idea that the NHS couldn't cope so oh well, private it is.
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Private Speech posted:Is that even inflation-adjusted because Growth is always inflation adjusted, but even then that is weak. You also get into the arguments about how we're measuring inflation or if it's done properly - there's some arguments that current measurements are inadequate as prices are shifting too fast due to online.
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Mar 11, 2020 16:38
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at calling 1.1% growth if not.
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ThomasPaine posted:You know what I've been deeply critical of the PRC in the past but those lads are really growing on me and I'm beginning to wonder if we're a little too eager to buy into the liberal democratic critiques. They're certainly doing something over there. Why are we so happy to accept Western media outlets when they attack China while acknowledging that they lie constantly about any domestic socialist with mainstream popularity? I wonder if we're in a cold war we don't even realise is happening... Lol if you ever trust western media on this poo poo. It's like when they report Kim Jong un has had someone killed in a brutal way then they turn up weeks later fine. Those cases are all sources from South Korean gossip magazines lol
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Mar 11, 2020 16:38
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ThomasPaine posted:You know what I've been deeply critical of the PRC in the past but those lads are really growing on me and I'm beginning to wonder if we're a little too eager to buy into the liberal democratic critiques. They're certainly doing something over there. Why are we so happy to accept Western media outlets when they attack China while acknowledging that they lie constantly about any domestic socialist with mainstream popularity? I wonder if we're in a cold war we don't even realise is happening... We've definitely been in a cold war for the past decade with China. China was probably the best placed country to react in the appropriate manner with heavy lockdowns, but remember that it was just as vulnerable to bureaucratic slowness on this issue as well - until cases hit the thousands the CCP was treating it as just another virus. It also didn't crack down on the wet markets that are the source of the virus like they should have after SARS.
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Mar 11, 2020 16:39
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Hope you Londen'ers are prepared - https://twitter.com/chedwardes/status/1237743703424479238?s=20 https://twitter.com/chedwardes/status/1237743706217865219?s=20 https://twitter.com/chedwardes/status/1237743707430027264?s=20 Knowing this lot it will probably mean very little, but 'London Lockdown' sounds ominous.
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Mar 11, 2020 16:40
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Private Speech posted:What about antivirals? I remember reading some will be finishing trials within weeks, so if widespread infection gets delayed for a few months that could potentially work. the most optimistic figures at the moment are 12% of people are hospitalised. that is why we need to make sure people are infected over a long period of time and not within two weeks - the system will not handle it even across a year to be clear this will not be over in 2 weeks. we are heading into the italy scenario then, and it will ramp up over a month or two before we touch the peak which will continue for weeks...
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Mar 11, 2020 16:42
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They're going to activate the wall around the M25.
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ukle posted:Hope you Londen'ers are prepared - Guess I'd better stock up on wine lol
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Mar 11, 2020 16:43
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I have a feeling the result of the pandemic in the US will cast a rather bad light on private healthcare. It'll be hard for the government to sell the idea that the NHS couldn't cope so oh well, private it is. Voters still go tax>nhs when they think in the polls, the nhs just is not a priority thanks to its ubiquity
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Mar 11, 2020 16:45
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The conspiracy theory where people post old packs of Dettol wipes from pre-2019 with 'protects against coronavirus' written on them is now the dumbest one.
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Mar 11, 2020 16:50
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ThomasPaine posted:You know what I've been deeply critical of the PRC in the past but those lads are really growing on me and I'm beginning to wonder if we're a little too eager to buy into the liberal democratic critiques. They're certainly doing something over there. Why are we so happy to accept Western media outlets when they attack China while acknowledging that they lie constantly about any domestic socialist with mainstream popularity? I wonder if we're in a cold war we don't even realise is happening... I saw an ITV report on China's handling of it and the massive drop in infection rates - and they didn't talk about how they massively mobilised to build hospitals, reconfigure the existing health service, got the public to take it seriously and made it easier for them to self-isolate or anything. They just said that President Xi travelled to Wuhan and met people, but WHAT YOU DIDN'T SEE were the POLICE and SECURITY in the building (!!!) ensuring NOBODY CRITICISED him because people are ANGRY that IT WAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE straight up mad reporting, no lessons drawn or anything
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Mar 11, 2020 16:51
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ukle posted:Hope you Londen'ers are prepared - Good, I'm really hoping for this. If they lock London down on Sunday, nice. If they lock it down tonight, better. But they should be locking it down right now. If they're really smart, they'll lock it down without any hint of it being planned. They will have seen what happened in Italy: they announced they were gonna lock down the north, then everyone and their dog got on a train and went south before it happened, taking the virus with them and infecting the whole country. So I'm expecting - from a competent government, at least - a very sudden lockdown.
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Mar 11, 2020 16:52
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By the way, 30 and 40somethings in Italy are having to go on ventilators too and while they're getting priority over the olds, if it peaks too sharply then we won't even have enough ventilators for all the 30 and 40somethings (thankfully not the case in Italy, as far as I know). In which case doctors will have to choose which of them live and which of them die.
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Mar 11, 2020 16:54
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Coordinate train cancellations to make sure people can't go north, however british rail services being as they are, this somehow ensures perfect service for the next month.
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Mar 11, 2020 16:55
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Collateral posted:My daughter's maths teacher has been diagnosed. A pupil has been diagnosed now. School status? Still open. Covid-19 hotspot coming right up.
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Mar 11, 2020 17:07
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Good, I'm really hoping for this. If they lock London down on Sunday, nice. If they lock it down tonight, better. But they should be locking it down right now. What precisely would a lockdown look like? No public transport in/out I would imagine. Actual roadblocks preventing people leaving the city boundaries? Does it imply an actual enforced 'everyone off the streets'/shops shutting etc? Because if so boy howdy I'm going to need a few more tins of beans in the flat.
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Mar 11, 2020 17:08
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I have a feeling the result of the pandemic in the US will cast a rather bad light on private healthcare. It'll be hard for the government to sell the idea that the NHS couldn't cope so oh well, private it is. They could absolutely use corona to hive off more of the NHS to the private contractors. Just sell it as 'In this time of crisis we need to improve efficiency and get the NHS to focus on providing core services to customers'. People love the idea of cutting useless bureaucracies even when those bureaucracies are absolutely vital. See for example my aunts in nursing who complained about unneccessary management for years then immediately pivoted to complaining about all the extra management tasks they have to do when those managers were cut.
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Mar 11, 2020 17:10
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ThomasPaine posted:What precisely would a lockdown look like? No public transport in/out I would imagine. Actual roadblocks preventing people leaving the city boundaries? Does it imply an actual enforced 'everyone off the streets'/shops shutting etc? Because if so boy howdy I'm going to need a few more tins of beans in the flat. In Italy they said: essential travel only restaurants and supermarkets can open but everyone has to stay a meter apart (worth noting this isn't good enough, they also need to not touch anything) all sports banned all big events banned As for enforcement, they're fining people who don't have a valid reason to be travelling, and using loudspeakers to tell people to stay in their homes. It's not great enforcement, but it IS very dramatic and people are seeing it and thinking "oh loving poo poo" and staying home. It's probably enough to slow the infection to a point where their health system can manage it, I think.
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Mar 11, 2020 17:14
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ThomasPaine posted:What precisely would a lockdown look like? No public transport in/out I would imagine. Actual roadblocks preventing people leaving the city boundaries? Does it imply an actual enforced 'everyone off the streets'/shops shutting etc? Because if so boy howdy I'm going to need a few more tins of beans in the flat. If they go full on ‘nobody allowed on the streets’ I really can’t see that ending well for a whole variety of reasons.
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Mar 11, 2020 17:15
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ThomasPaine posted:Guess I'd better stock up on wine lol I'm off to the co-op to panic buy some burgundy. Also my boss has given approval for me to work from home for the foreseeable future.
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Mar 11, 2020 17:15
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https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1237744199040143360 https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1237745312099336192 distributive impact of tax/benefit effects on cash is regressive but leans on the added value of services to be progressive (and somewhat more so to the middle) the new toryism ronya fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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Camrath posted:If they go full on ‘nobody allowed on the streets’ I really can’t see that ending well for a whole variety of reasons. Yeah it's grim, but the alternative is worse. That said Italy is not banning people from the streets, as such. In fact I think traffic in Rome has barely dipped. People are still going to work (which isn't great but obviously some things HAVE to run. Keep the power plants going sure, but they should be shutting down the vespa factories and my-tomato-sauce-is-too-viscous helpline callcentres) Microplastics fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:antivirals would reduce the severity of symptoms but the patients still need hospital care - we don't have the capacity for what is going to come. the hopes at the moment are remdesivir with a great trial underway in china initiated on feb 6th and due to report back by the end of april. we don't know anything until then and anyone saying x antiviral is effective is talking out of their arse as that was first put up for testing and we're still waiting. In 2016 my mum had to supply her own BIPAP machine (well technically it belonged to the hospital but it was supplied to her to use at home) when she was hospitalised with pneumonia because Barts and the London had run out and were having to try and borrow them them from across the country, and that wasn't even a particularly vicious flu year. Patients with relatively mild pnuemonia were ending up in HDU/ICU beds because that was the only place they could be given the non-invasive ventilation they needed. I can't imagine the situation has *improved* since then.
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Mar 11, 2020 17:29
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Mar 11, 2020 17:34
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Sucks that working out is one of the few ways I can genuinely de-stress but the gym is absolutely not a good place to be atm lol
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Mar 11, 2020 17:40
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Goon project to steal the big toilet roll https://twitter.com/Anna_R_Jones/status/1237642618403729409?s=19
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Mar 11, 2020 17:48
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:restaurants and supermarkets can open but everyone has to stay a meter apart (worth noting this isn't good enough, they also need to not touch anything) that youtube dude summarising that Chinese study where they tracked people with cctv (no not that one) found that someone caught it from someone sat 4.5m behind them on a bus then someone else caught it just by getting on the bus half an hour after the contagious person got off
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ThomasPaine posted:Sucks that working out is one of the few ways I can genuinely de-stress but the gym is absolutely not a good place to be atm lol I'm finding it great, the climbing centre has been really quiet past few days.
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Mar 11, 2020 17:53
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levels of social distancing where it is still possible to be infected can nonetheless keep the rate of new infections requiring hospitalization below the rate of hospital discharges there would still be especially vulnerable individuals, but those would not be the public health priority
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:In Italy they said: They can't be enforcing it very hard as the business I work for deals with Italian manufacturers and they're very much open and even sending us stock. We're talking decorators supplies here, not even anything critical!
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Mar 11, 2020 17:58
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They aren't stopping people from going to work, the economy still takes priority, even if your job is pointless.
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Mar 11, 2020 18:01
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Half my job is office based, half is site based all over Kent and Sussex. The office based stuff I can easily do from home, but it's dependent on the site based stuff. I reckon I've got enough work to last me a week, but my boss is a poo poo and probably won't let us work from home until one of us actually gets it.
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Mar 11, 2020 18:09
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Sorry for being a Post-Me-Own-Tweets-Dibbler again but I cba to reupload this image and the way these two showed up as the top replies to this bellend was just too perfect. (Click through to image) https://twitter.com/WhatEvil/status/1237767024736116738?s=20
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Mar 11, 2020 18:11
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My wife is about to come home and pull a sicky (or more accurately, pull a self-isolationy) to get out of going to work tomorrow. 2 weeks in "self-isolation" ought to be long enough to see the country going into lock down (hopefully) so she won't have to go into work after it, either. Meanwhile my bosses have said that staff can work from home for a few days (today is day 2 for me) for virus-related-anxiety (lol), but ought to go back into the office next week. I said OK but I'm totally doing the same and pulling a sicky. We've stocked up and are going to hole up in the flat for the next few months, I just hope we haven't been infected already (and if so, hope we don't develop symptoms that require oxygen support). We're young so, chances are good?? Guess we'll find out in about 6 days huh. And yeah I know I'm coming across as a bonkers prepper. But I genuinely feel, from everything I'm seeing, that this is one of those black swan events that is going to change life forever.
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Mar 11, 2020 18:15
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I have to say in my entire adult life I've never seen something dominate the conversation like this has, both online, in the real world and at work.
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Mar 11, 2020 18:19
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first scottish community transmission (no known origin), found via the enhanced surveillance scheme (aka they were in a hospital already...)
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I'm going to continue cross-posting from the virus threads because that thread moves so fast quote:It shows in orange histograms the daily official number of cases in the Hubei province: How many people were diagnosed that day. The grey histograms show the true daily coronavirus cases. Crucially, these weren’t know at the time. We can only figure them out looking backwards. (from https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca)
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It's a loving flu, we'll get through it and some grannies will die and a few nurses will quit their NHS jobs in favour of the much less stressful cosmetic procedure industry. Life goes on whoop de doo.
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