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BobTheJanitor posted:For the few that actually work on the last boss. Just bouldy and skelly I think? Does anyone else keep completely forgetting that summons are a thing? I can think of a few close runs that ended on the last boss where I almost certainly would have won if I'd just remembered that Bouldy existed. They're like elixirs in Final Fantasy games where I'm saving them for some future difficult encounter but end up putting them out of mind completely.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Does anyone else keep completely forgetting that summons are a thing? I can think of a few close runs that ended on the last boss where I almost certainly would have won if I'd just remembered that Bouldy existed. They're like elixirs in Final Fantasy games where I'm saving them for some future difficult encounter but end up putting them out of mind completely. I've started picking out specific points in a run where I know using the summon is helpful and always making sure to use them there. I always summon in the second head phase on the hydra, right at the start of the heroes, and then use the rest at the end of styx passages. Beyond that I just use them in standard rooms that are going really poorly. The only summon I use is Thanatos though, I don't know how helpful this would be with the other summons.
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Mar 11, 2020 23:25
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Cnidaria posted:The big titty goth mom update finally, the recent fascination into step-mom porn has finally made it's way into games. Which in turn mirror's Ancient Greece's love of weird incest stories. So I guess it counts as being a retro style?
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They did add a little thing that pops up in the corner to remind you to use your summons. Although so far I only recall seeing it on miniboss fights, which is not all that helpful. Yes, I definitely want to summon the incarnation of death to help with two bony dudes throwing bombs around.
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Mar 11, 2020 23:39
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Internet Kraken posted:Have to be honest, I'm pretty disappointed in the fists. I was hoping for another ranged weapon and this is like, the exact opposite.
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Infinite Karma posted:Fair point, but since Calls are (usually) so lovely against the Final Boss, it's a no-brainer to use your Call on the adds and mop them up with extra speed and safety. Likewise for companion Summons if you have any left. I'd say most of the Calls are really good on the final boss; Demeter, Artemis, Athena, Ares, Aphrodite,...
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If you've got Death Defiances left and are willing to go in and tank some damage, Zeus Call rips Hades to bits.
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Fists are real fun, especially with the Demeter aspect. Its the only weapon where I had a legit hard time deciding which aspect to put my blood into because they all looked very fun. The daedalus upgrade where your dash special becomes an aoe kicks rear end New Darkness upgrades aren't as good as the default setup imo, the only one I used is the one that adds 15% to your coin count at the start of each region. The rest are either eh or I wouldn't imagine ever taking them (I am never going thru this game with just 1 dash again) I'm assuming the new administrative hall will have more stuff to do in future updates. It's nice looking at records of my past runs but with all the updates this game's had most of my entries are just REDACTED For those having trouble getting the new sword aspect, have you given Nyx any Nectar? I didnt get anything from her after my first run, but after gifting her one then coming back after a 2nd run I got the aspect.
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Mar 12, 2020 00:11
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I just realized that the first room you enter (through the Athena door) in a new game is a zoomed in version of the part of the first room near the door. Presumably they didn’t record all the data for old runs but weirdly my fist aspect was REDACTED on my first fist run. I am still hoping for a damage from sources breakdown. How much benefit am I getting from Exposed or Poseidon dash? I really want to know.
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Mar 12, 2020 00:17
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It feels like the fists are going to need more of a survivability buff in the long run. Right now they're pretty heavily dependent on getting some boons to keep you from getting dead when you spend the whole game rubbing up against monsters. The dodge buff they give you on the default aspect just isn't enough to keep you alive. And dodge is always an unreliable method of staying alive in any game with big hits. It's cool that you've got 75% dodge, but that still means 25% of the time that a mega-attack is going to squash you.
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Mar 12, 2020 00:23
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The new cast is way better for a lot of cast builds, especially because getting the Hermes boon that returns your crystals is slightly harder to get now. It also has incredibly busted interactions with additional crystals, each one has its own 3 second timer. High Confidence I see myself using on certain weapons like the Rail and the Shield, since I so rarely take damage while playing those it's essentially free damage. The rest of them feel way too situational. Family Favorite has potential but only if you're aiming for builds that would have had a hard time getting Privileged Status online, like Artemis. I'm never going back to 1 dash, not giving up multiple Death Defiance because they really only ever get used on Hades, free healing per room is 100x better than healing on Darkness because you get zero darkness in Styx. The new rarity ones are super iffy but I'll wait to see someone else test them out.
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Magus42 posted:Try adding /AllowVoiceBankStreaming=false to your launch options, says Supergiant on Reddit. Thanks for this, I think it worked.
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Mar 12, 2020 01:19
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 First run with the fists. Chill on attack, weak on special, regenerating casts for festive fog with damage resistance in the fog meant that I didn't even really need to take the skelly token at the end. I did so just for safety. The +2% health on special kill i can see being very meh, but with the hammer upgrade that does an AE after each, I basically healed all the chip damage I got in Styx by spamming special to clear out the trash. My other times are loving awful though. 
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Mar 12, 2020 01:52
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A patch!quote:This patch contains bug fixes, art and UI improvements, and new story events, following yesterday's Nighty Night Update. We expect to patch again in the coming days. Thank you for playing!
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Mar 12, 2020 01:56
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kaschei posted:Presumably they didn’t record all the data for old runs but weirdly my fist aspect was REDACTED on my first fist run. This seems to happen whenever you use the Zagreus aspect of any weapon, which I guess makes sense since Hades wanted to keep Zagreus' existence a secret. But then why keep documents on him in the first place? Something story-related is definitely up there
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Mar 12, 2020 01:56
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Talos aspect of the fists with a Poseidon special is crazy fun. It truly embraces the Poseidon spirit of turning the entire level into a pinball machine.
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Mar 12, 2020 02:07
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CharlestonJew posted:This seems to happen whenever you use the Zagreus aspect of any weapon, which I guess makes sense since Hades wanted to keep Zagreus' existence a secret. But then why keep documents on him in the first place? Something story-related is definitely up there You can't just NOT keep documents
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Mar 12, 2020 02:30
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PSA: Don't do 40% forced overtime with max benefits package. Guys just swarm you non stop.
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The new elite pact sure seems like it can screw you hardcore. Got a room earlier today with a bunch of elite shields with the give blue shield buff. Basically couldn't do anything. Either sacrifice a ton of health to take one down or watch everybody get back up to 3 blue shields.
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Mar 12, 2020 04:40
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The fists can feel really good when you get a good combo running, but when your build doesn't come together well they feel awful. Unlike every other weapon, their attack and special are really similar in effect, so if that strategy doesn't fit the situation you don't have an alternate to fall back on. The monster DPS is great, but they have literally nothing else going for them; getting swarmed by guys you can't kill fast enough sucks.
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Mar 12, 2020 04:47
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Yeah, earlier I spent what felt like five minutes kiting a pack of elite skulls with the "periodically shield nearby monsters" buff around. And that was in Tartarus where nothing really dangerous was going on otherwise. Benefits Package is joining my list of "hell no" modifiers for sure.
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Mar 12, 2020 04:48
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Oof, looks like that patch today change being able to run to the courtyard and back to the house to reset the people hanging out in there. Love doing a whole run chasing that Nyx event to give me the new sword only to go back and not even have her there.  At least it was a good run, though. Sword, and started out feeling like a jumbled mess, but by the end I had so many synergies working together. Had the Ares/Aphrodite repeating doom on weak, had the Zeus/Dionysus lighting bolts strike constantly in fog, and had two extra casts as well as the quicker cast regen boon and the extra cast bonus damage to enemies without a cast stuck in them. So with festive fog basically just a permanent cast buff. I was just rapid firing shocking fog clouds, then smashing everything for weak and getting doom on all of them, if I could even do that before they'd all melted.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Does anyone else keep completely forgetting that summons are a thing? I can think of a few close runs that ended on the last boss where I almost certainly would have won if I'd just remembered that Bouldy existed. They're like elixirs in Final Fantasy games where I'm saving them for some future difficult encounter but end up putting them out of mind completely. I have 70 hours clocked, and the only time I remembered they were a thing, I completely whiffed. Maybe I'll use them regularly once I've invested ambrosia into them, but so far I've been hoarding the bottles for NPCs and occasional blood trades.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Does anyone else keep completely forgetting that summons are a thing? I can think of a few close runs that ended on the last boss where I almost certainly would have won if I'd just remembered that Bouldy existed. They're like elixirs in Final Fantasy games where I'm saving them for some future difficult encounter but end up putting them out of mind completely. I used to forget summons were a thing until I made a habit of using them. Back when I played during the Demeter update Bouldy was stupidly overpowered because he provided on demand healing in addition to a handful of other goodies. It felt kind of cheap. I dunno if they nerfed him, though I also started playing with lasting consequences which makes the healing less potent. I wanna use the others but unlocking and upgrading em isn't exactly easy. Also for some aasinine reason Meg and Thanatos both can't be used against the final boss.
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im 43 hours in and have yet to unlock a single summon lmao than and meg are both at six nectar, their events just haven't triggered i guess
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Likewise, you can't use meg in the fury fight. Whoulda thunk? It is however, all good flavor and the interactions between the NPCs are outstanding and I'd not trade them for anything
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Man, healing-from-darkness is worthless in Styx
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I get that this is Early Access, but this was definitely an uneven release. Only new boon is about fishing, and only about 1/3 of the new mirror abilities really seem worth investing into. The gloves freakin rock though, it's just I was a bit underwhelmed by pretty much everything else. Honestly, just add a few new more gods/boons and reduce the HP of the twits in Elysium, and it will be just about perfect.
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Krazyface posted:Man, healing-from-darkness is worthless in Styx It sounds cool on paper but once you realize that Styx is a bunch of chambers and no darkness you realize its actually garbage. Kaincypher posted:I get that this is Early Access, but this was definitely an uneven release. Only new boon is about fishing, and only about 1/3 of the new mirror abilities really seem worth investing into. The gloves freakin rock though, it's just I was a bit underwhelmed by pretty much everything else. Honestly, just add a few new more gods/boons and reduce the HP of the twits in Elysium, and it will be just about perfect. To me what the game really needs is more enemies. Not that many more but they need to spice up the chambers a bit more.
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Kaincypher, I could not disagree more with what you just said. If you want every release to be packed to the gills with content, feel free to sit on your hands until 1.0, the rest of us will enjoy more frequent updates with feature trickle. You don't need a pile of new boons (specifically deity, Daedalus doesn't count apparently) every update, the game has plenty of them and sometimes less is more, they are always in need of more polishing. Half of the old mirror upgrades where 'trash' too, you might recall. Backstabbing with the bow? Boiling blood with Demeter? etc. ----- Moving on, The healing-from-darkness mechanic is interesting, as I feel it's clearly aimed more at newer players/runs, given the front-loading of darkness in Tartarus. Kinda like the subborn defiance mirror upgrade. I do agree it goes out the window once you're more concerned with the Hades fight and have enough darkness to be buying the "replace blue-laurel room rewards with gold-laurels" and such. (FWIW, Sysiphus gives more healing with it, which can be boosted by chaos charms, not to mention boss room rewards are auto-max hp with it too. Styx is pretty much sink-or-swim for most builds tho, so it won't carry you, but the the 3hp/room bare helps either if youre sinking) I'm also gonna vouch for the single-dash. The "ruthless" mechanic procs *everywhere*, as it seems to check if there's an attack midair nearby after the dash finishes, with a huge detection range. This means that just walking across the stage -which I reflexively do with the dash- will proc it as there's always *something* midair off to the side you didn't notice. You basically spend the entire fight with ruthless up and running without trying, it's amazingly strong. Serephina fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Mar 12, 2020 |
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Internet Kraken posted:Also for some aasinine reason Meg and Thanatos both can't be used against the final boss.
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How do you get Nyx to unlock the sword? I've done like six runs since updating and nothing. Also gently caress shield guys in Elysium forever. And the chariots with a melee build.
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You have to have unlocked Guan Yu for the spear and invested at least 5 blood in sword aspects (unlock cost counts; I unlocked both aspects and upgraded nemesis once and it worked), then talk to Nyx once the big exclamation appears.
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gandlethorpe posted:Also gently caress shield guys in Elysium forever. Wait until you're playing with Benefits Package and after you finally time your way past all their attacks and dash behind them to unload they just teleport to the other side of the screen e: and when you finally kill them this happens 
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Excalibur is weird. You can use it like a poise build from Dark Souls, in that you tank up and then use the super armor third hit of your combo to win trades with enemies. Revenge boons are theoretically better with this approach, though I still don't see myself going out of my way to get them. I wonder what the fourth aspect for the gun will be. I think they might have to dip into modern fiction for that one, like the plasma rifle from Doom or something. I guess they could use a weapon from one of their other Supergiant games, but they kind of already did all of them.
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tried out the fists, and ah. Rolling knuckle Daedalus hammer all the time; being able to no-sell the bone-hydras bolts (along with the witches projectiles) while ripping through their health is ridiculous. it says it adds a dash strike at the end of an attack sequence, but in practice it also removes the cooldown between combos for a nonstop punching barrage. 
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Does family favourite give you a damage boost from Hermes and Chaos boons too? Very easy to get to 4 gods then for a better and more consistent damage boost. Also the fists struggle vs the mini chariots i find.
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First time I met the mini chariots was also my first time meeting Thanatos. I didn't realise he was chill or know that the consequences of losing the kill race were not dire, or you know, that the chariots explode in your face, so I was really trying to kill as many as I could. I was using the sword and the spawns were 100% flamewheels. It... did not go very well for me
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Tiger Millionaire posted:Does family favourite give you a damage boost from Hermes and Chaos boons too? Very easy to get to 4 gods then for a better and more consistent damage boost. Chaos is not an Olympian, so theoretically them shouldn't count. No idea whether that's actually the case, though.
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Can’t load the game atm but my recollection is that Chaos is in the “Chthonic Gods” codex list and Hermes is in the “Olympian Gods” list. I would hope that would be authoritative.
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