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Sorry if this kind of question isn't generally intended for this thread, has anyone bought from otpterrain.com ? Since I'm thinking of using an M15/42 as my primary tank (I might get a cutesy tankette to use too, for infantry support. Not sure yet, though) and they stock them for $24AUD. I've never heard of them before though, so I'm not sure if they're any good.
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Major Isoor posted:Sorry if this kind of question isn't generally intended for this thread, has anyone bought from otpterrain.com ? Since I'm thinking of using an M15/42 as my primary tank (I might get a cutesy tankette to use too, for infantry support. Not sure yet, though) and they stock them for $24AUD. I've never heard of them before though, so I'm not sure if they're any good.
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Mar 11, 2020 02:59
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Arquinsiel posted:Depends on how "accurate" you want to be, but the M15/42 was only used in combat against the Germans or then by the Germans in Yugoslavia and Italy. That site looks cool though, and crazy cheap. Ah, fair enough. Well, I'm not sure really - chances are I'll be playing against the axis most of the time anyway, so I think that should be fine, in the historical accuracy department. But also, what's everyone's opinion on flamethrowers? Since I just thought, I could have an L6/40 with a flamethrower instead of an autocannon. It might be worse overall due to the lack of range, but if there are gameplay mechanics that allow you to cook the crew of enemy tanks then that could be pretty useful. (As well as filling the anti-infantry role, of course)
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Mar 11, 2020 03:35
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So the huge stash of FoW stuff I got?  I need some help figuring what turret hatch bits I need to be on the look out for. None of the tanks have them filled, really.
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Mar 11, 2020 09:11
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Alright, so I've spent a bit of time building a list and looking at models to buy. (Seems like metal Alpini guys from greatescapegames is the way to go) This is the gist of what I'm using: - Vet first lieutenant (w/ one vet rifleman) - x3 vet Alpini infantry sections (NCO+9 men each. AT grenades, an MG each and the NCOs have SMGs) - x1 regular medium mortar team (w/ spotter) - x1 regular M15/42 tank - x1 regular L6/40 tankette/'armoured car' (w/ flamethrower) All in all this leaves me with 96pts left, I think. So yeah, I'm just wondering about what you all think. I need to add in another support option I feel (whether that's artillery or another mortar...or even another L6 or something) and I'm a bit unsure about the mortar I've selected - like, maybe I should have a sniper team or a field gun instead or something. No idea
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Mar 11, 2020 13:50
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AT grenades don't really work, drop them and use the 60 pts for something else. Mortars are pretty good, keep that. I'd use the remainder of your points on more infantry, transports for your men, or an artillery piece.
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Mar 11, 2020 15:04
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JcDent posted:So the huge stash of FoW stuff I got? 1) Buy polystyrene card of your choice. You can get hobby stuff, but you can probably find sign material that'll work for cheaper. 2) Carefully mark out the circumference of your hatches with a compass, or freehand it if you're feeling brave. Cut out the circles with a pair of scissors. If you want them to look really hatch-like, make the circles a little smaller than the hatch rims, so there's a little surface definition. 3) Glue your polystyrene circles to the hatches. 4) Party like it's 1945, it's a tiny model and nobody will notice unless you point it out to them.
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Mar 11, 2020 17:16
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Class Warcraft posted:Super unfun though, especially if you lose a unit right away and are basically crippled from turn 1. The national rules for the majors are all bonuses/things that your nation was good at. The minor nations, meanwhile, have a mix of positives and negatives that leave them less competitive (except Finland, whose national rules are pretty good) Like how France's national trait is poor communication. *sigh*
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Mar 11, 2020 19:49
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Zuul the Cat posted:Like how France's national trait is poor communication. *sigh* Welcome to historicals! In the Warhammer Historicals Trafalgar ruleset, the British gets the free special rules that their commanders can re-rolled failed tests, their crew can reload guns faster and they re-roll 1's to hit (in a typical GW system where you usually hit on like 4+ on a D6. While the French... get no penalty if they aim at the sails instead of the hull? And the Spanish get the special rule... that their first rates are worse at turning?
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Mar 11, 2020 20:20
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Zuul the Cat posted:Like how France's national trait is poor communication. *sigh* It's getting pushback but the portrayal of WW2 France in like, any popular media is "when the man with the rifle dies, the man with the bullets will pick up the rifle" level of bad. B1: this tank is overpowered on paper but circumstances of its use and unforeseen design issues caused its side to lose, better give it special rules to reflect this loss and make sure the design issues are reflected in-game Tiger: this tank is overpowered on paper but circumstances of its use and unforeseen design issues caused its side to lose, better give it special rules to reflect its crack prussian crew dying valiantly in the face of overwhelming odds and completely ignore any aspect of design besides gun caliber and armour thickness
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Mar 11, 2020 20:36
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If I were designing France, I'd give them a rule like "They Fought Like Lions" or "Desperate Measures" that gives them a bonus when defending a position or a boost to the first morale check each unit takes. People always point to them getting knocked out of the war so fast but forget that they fought like hell against the Germans and did a fantastic job of defending. The only reason there even was a miracle at Dunkirk was because of the French. In general, I think punitive nationality traits are bad. Every force should get a booster, not something that is just a negative. There are other ways to highlight the historical reality.
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Mar 11, 2020 21:46
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I agree that national traits should all be positive and balanced against each other that way, but I would settle for a realistic doling out of negative traits too. I'm very happy to accept an aim penalty for my circa-1941 T-34s having bad optics as long as the Panther gets a rule where if it shifts into third gear too vigorously the quality of metal used in its construction causes the transmission gears to break and it becomes immobile.
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Mar 11, 2020 22:12
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I agree. I think having good national traits & realistic unit rules is the best mix. French have a rule for the Renault where they have to pass a morale check to move & shoot in the same turn due to 1 man turrets.
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Mar 11, 2020 22:15
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Class Warcraft posted:AT grenades don't really work, drop them and use the 60 pts for something else. Mortars are pretty good, keep that. I'd use the remainder of your points on more infantry, transports for your men, or an artillery piece. Hmm, OK. So I think that (when I get home) I might see if I can shave off a couple of men per squad (8 instead of 10), add in another squad, and add the best artillery piece I can afford. That will probably be all I can do, within my 1000pts
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Mar 11, 2020 23:56
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Yeah, in general I'm in favor of national characteristics that confer a (small) bonus or ability based on the particular army's doctrine or training, and have anything negative come as a consequence of the equipment or the scenario. I think that for the most part, Chain of Command does this pretty well. For the Italians, the national characteristics are very similar to the German ones (small bonus to machine gun fire and grenades-when-assaulting), but the force organization also gives a small bump to their NCOs. But some of their gear is crap (Breda LMGs suck, the Brixia mortar gets an accuracy bonus but doesn't reduce cover because the shell fuses were crap, their grenades were a little less reliable, etc). But some of their mid-war tanks and SPGs are actually pretty decent.
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Mar 12, 2020 01:22
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Did someone say WWII Italians? I just started building an army myself. Warlord's Italians are very good, they make up the bulk of my infantry. I've got a few Perry and Empress models to add variety and they're also very good. One thing to consider is that each Warlord model comes with four heads - helmet, helmet with Bersaglieri feathers, sun-hat, sun-hat with Bersaglieri feathers. After much consideration I'm going with plain helmets as you can use them pretty much anywhere. I'm still trying to decide if they'll be wearing (painted as) tropical (desert) uniforms or continental (green) uniforms. Same deal for the AFVs, they might be sand or green colored. The reason why I'm having a hard time deciding is because it's possible I'll use them for Spanish Civil War as well. There's a free pdf for Chain of Command called "Espana!" that has dozens of lists for the Spanish Civil War, including Italian CTV. It's really inspiring, but - well, like the title of the thread says, "I love the game and era, but no one near me is even vaguely interested," so they might end up being plain North Africa Italians for Bolt Action. The L3/35s - I have six total, three built so far - are from Empress miniatures. They require a lot of cleanup, but they're so cute I don't mind. The Lancia 90/53 is great fun, in Bolt Action terms it's a super-heavy AT gun mounted on a flimsy truck. The model is from Company B, and it was one of the most difficult resin models I've ever assembled. The problem is the six stabilizer jacks; there are no instructions whatsoever, each of the legs is slightly different and they are mounted slightly asymmetrically, so it's a nightmare to assemble correctly. After buying it I found out Perry makes a Lancia 90/53; if I had known I would have bought theirs. But assembled it's a beautiful centerpiece model, I can't wait to paint it:  I have no idea if this army will win a single game, but I don't care as they've been so much fun to build and assemble so far.
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Mar 12, 2020 05:04
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Cessna posted:Italians! Ah, very nice! I'm going for the Alpini myself, so I'm having to look at greatescapegames at this point. (Only due to the fancy hats the Aplini have. Not as fancy as Bersaglieri hats, however) But yeah, it all looks good Also, here's my 988 list below: - Regular First Lieutenant +1 - Vet Alpini infantry section (NCO+7 men. SMG for the NCO and an LMG for the squad) - Vet Alpini infantry section (NCO+7 men. SMG for the NCO and an LMG for the squad) - Vet Alpini infantry section (NCO+7 men. SMG for the NCO and an LMG for the squad) - Vet Alpini infantry section (NCO+7 men. SMG for the NCO and an LMG for the squad) - Regular Medium mortar team +1 spotter - Regular Medium artillery +1 spotter - Regular L6/40 tankette (with flamethrower) - Regular M15/42 tank Not sure what I should do with the remaining 12 points, though. I mean, I COULD get a horse and limber for the artillery, but that would mean that I would then have to find+purchase a horse and limber, then paint it...  (Another tempting aspect of that is the fact that I found that there was actually an insignia for the Alpini veterinarian! I'm tempted to have a shoddily-painted vet accompanying the horse, if I do that  )
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Mar 12, 2020 05:40
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Major Isoor posted:Ah, very nice! I'm going for the Alpini myself, so I'm having to look at greatescapegames at this point. (Only due to the fancy hats the Aplini have. Not as fancy as Bersaglieri hats, however) But yeah, it all looks good Any soldiers accompanying your Lt. have to be the same experience level he is. So you'll need to upgrade him to veteran or drop his escort down to regular.
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Mar 12, 2020 05:56
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Class Warcraft posted:Any soldiers accompanying your Lt. have to be the same experience level he is. So you'll need to upgrade him to veteran or drop his escort down to regular. Oh, my mistake - sorry, the LT's bodyguard/porter was actually regular, I just thought he was a vet
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Mar 12, 2020 05:58
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Cessna posted:But assembled it's a beautiful centerpiece model, I can't wait to paint it drat that resin sees to have casting artifacts.
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Mar 12, 2020 10:22
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I've been really looking forward to playing my first Field of Glory Napoleonic tourney next week. It breaks my heart to cancel going, but with the Coronovirus I don't dare risk it  Hopefully I avoid getting killed by this thing and get to go next year. I want to have my own army then.
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Mar 12, 2020 11:38
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WG is mailing a short survey for the next plastic kit:
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Mar 12, 2020 18:17
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I voted for Italian infantry.
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Mar 12, 2020 19:36
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Honestly, Italian infantry seems like they need it most. They're probably the largest power involved to not have at least one infantry box in plastic.
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Mar 12, 2020 19:38
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Plastic early war Poles would take a lot of the sting out of those huge platoons.
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Mar 12, 2020 19:47
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JcDent posted:drat that resin sees to have casting artifacts. It took a lot of work to get it to that point, and it still needs more work. Unfortunately I bought it on a whim, then shelved it, then started working on Italians in earnest AFTER Perry released their Lancia 90/53. If I had it to do over I'd buy the Perry model. Oh, also - Brigade / Company B makes a Semovente 90/53 with the support vehicles. In reality the Semovente 90/53 only carried six rounds, so they made an ammo carrier for it. But that only carried 26 rounds, so they added a trailer which carried 40 rounds. Each gun requires it's own formation.  
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Mar 12, 2020 20:23
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If you don't vote for Early War French it's a personal attack on me.
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Mar 12, 2020 20:47
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Cessna posted:In reality the Semovente 90/53 only carried six rounds, so they made an ammo carrier for it. But that only carried 26 rounds, so they added a trailer which carried 40 rounds. Each gun requires it's own formation. One crew drives the Semovente! One crew drives the ammo carrier. The crew with the Semovente shoots...
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Mar 12, 2020 22:56
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 Looks like this is replacing GF9s Tanks! game completely. Rumour says it was always meant to be this, and Tanks! was the unbranded result of a contractual dispute that has now been resolved.   
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Mar 14, 2020 14:30
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I don't know why, because I'm not a fan of the game, but I'm oddly excited for this release. Maybe we'll even get models for a-historic tank variants from the game.
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Mar 14, 2020 20:32
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PinheadSlim posted:I don't know why, because I'm not a fan of the game, but I'm oddly excited for this release. Nah; they'll all be kits Battlefront make in plastic.
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Mar 14, 2020 21:31
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Yeah this has always just been a way to sell individual sprues from their pre-existing platoon boxes at a markup.
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Mar 14, 2020 21:38
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Zuul the Cat posted:
Late war British should get refuses to move from cover at any cost, that conserving lives after a long long war...
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Mar 14, 2020 21:42
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lenoon posted:Late war British should get refuses to move from cover at any cost, that conserving lives after a long long war... Funnily enough, now a trait of FoW normandy brits.
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Mar 14, 2020 21:45
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That’s pretty awesome
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Mar 14, 2020 21:49
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Endman posted:Yeah this has always just been a way to sell individual sprues from their pre-existing platoon boxes at a markup. whomp whomp
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Mar 14, 2020 22:12
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My job and basically everything is shut down now because of corona so I now have all the time in the world to buy miniatures that will sit under my desk unpainted for years. Please post here if you see any good sales.
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Mar 14, 2020 22:40
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Class Warcraft posted:My job and basically everything is shut down now because of corona so I now have all the time in the world to buy miniatures that will sit under my desk unpainted for years. Please post here if you see any good sales. I'm adopted a kind of semi-isolation (work from home, avoiding crowds and public spaces like cinemas etc), so I hope I'll work through my back-log faster than expected. Corrently eyeing a Japanese pirate force for Saga and two more batches of Calpe napoleonic French.
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Mar 14, 2020 23:48
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Endman posted:Yeah this has always just been a way to sell individual sprues from their pre-existing platoon boxes at a markup. Great for CoC though.
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Oh yeah, if you just want one tank for something like CoC or What a Tanker it's pretty good, and the kits are very nice. I watched a few videos of people playing the Tanks! game and it seemed a bit flat and uninspired.
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