Another Bill posted:

Conspiracies are fun and all but I'm not sure how closing schools helps the Ontario govt teacher problems

linoleum floors posted:

It's basically locking them out without calling it that.

Another Bill posted:

Yeah but he can't ramp up pressure on them or blame them for the closures.

In fact, I'd argue that any kind of politicking by the Ontario government over this will backfire spectacularly. People are scared and some arsehole premier bullying teachers on the news in between sick and dead number updates isn't going to go over well.

Noblesse Obliged posted:

he can lock them out for 3 weeks and not pay them without any blowback from parents

Another Bill posted:

I know they don't get paid for March Break but where did you read they aren't getting paid for the two weeks after

infernal machines posted:

and how would that factor into negotiations over class sizes that the government has already capitulated on?

Noblesse Obliged posted:

the bigger issue for Ford is the 1% raise issue. they passed legislation to not allow any increases above 1% and would be forced to undo that legislation if teacher keep the pressure up which would really piss off his base

Another Bill posted:

Yeah but that legislation will be struck down in every court. It violates a charter right to collective bargaining, this is already settled law in Health Services and Support-Facilities Subsector Bargaining Association v. British Columbia, 2007 SCC 27

That's why the teachers don't feel any pressure to sign the 1% raise deal, the governments argument doesn't have a legal leg to stand on.

Noblesse Obliged posted:

you don’t get conservatives. it is their favourite tactic to introduce bullshit legislation that gets struck down so they can lament the liberal courts and show they tried to do something.

but if he has to walk it back himself because the teachers force him to. then he’s a weakling and his toxic base can’t abide weakness

Noblesse Obliged posted:

he can lock them out for 3 weeks and not pay them without any blowback from parents

Another Bill posted:

Do you know what a lock out is? Why did you say teachers wouldn't be paid when that is pure speculation on your part?

Noblesse Obliged posted:

it is pure speculation. I said this is my tin hat theory. not fact.

Another Bill posted:

Yeah but that legislation will be struck down in every court. It violates a charter right to collective bargaining, this is already settled law in Health Services and Support-Facilities Subsector Bargaining Association v. British Columbia, 2007 SCC 27

That's why the teachers don't feel any pressure to sign the 1% raise deal, the governments argument doesn't have a legal leg to stand on.

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Avirosb posted:

https://twitter.com/EdtheSock/status/1238477117001732097

Isizzlehorn posted:

So anyone got info on the new Covid-19 cases in Ontario today? There's no info regarding origin in the latest update, is it finally communal transmission cases?

Dreylad posted:

Either they haven't figured that out yet or they are communal transmission cases in which case they're probably switching into the Delay phase of handling the epidemic and begin winding down testing because there's no containing this thing anymore.

Isizzlehorn posted:

True. I left Wednesday from the GTA and down in Florida getting my 80+ year old grandmother the gently caress out of here, back by Sunday. My doctor already recommended we all quarantine for 2 weeks because the US is a goddamn minefield and nobody knows how bad. Doing all this to avoid my grandmother dying in the inevitable triage that's coming.

Dreylad posted:

Either they haven't figured that out yet or they are communal transmission cases in which case they're probably switching into the Delay phase of handling the epidemic and begin winding down testing because there's no containing this thing anymore.

vyelkin posted:

They'd better not wind down testing, widespread testing and isolation is how South Korea has managed to avoid the worst effects of it despite having the third most cases after China and Italy. Also not having testing widely available is how you get the US right now, where the virus is everywhere but no one can confirm that because the government refuses to test anyone.

Dreylad posted:

Good call. Given that Britain says the count is probably off by a factor of at least 10 in the UK, the US is gonna be worse. I can't imagine how bad it'd get in Florida with the number of old people there.

Avirosb posted:

https://twitter.com/EdtheSock/status/1238477117001732097

Isizzlehorn posted:

It'll be bad here. Her place is in The Villages, so it's boomer hell and nobody here is doing ANYTHING to prepare. This place is a time bomb.

Dreylad posted:

Well I'm just speculating but at some point once the virus begins to transmit communally, there's not much point in spending the resources to test people because it's already out in the general population, all you can do is start getting everyone to quarantine themselves in order to avoid shocking the healthcare system.

If people and households don't self-isolate, a report yesterday said that you'd see about a 50% infection rate in Ontario, which would mean 32 000 people would require ICU beds. There are 1700 in the entire province.

vyelkin posted:

Evidence out of SK seems to show that testing is worthwhile even after widespread community transmission. Maybe because rapid isolating and testing of asymptomatic people who have come in contact with confirmed cases then lets you confirm that they have it and slows their transmission to others, whereas if you never confirm that they have it they may continue spreading it. It seems like widespread testing can, if nothing else, slow down the spread through society by restricting how many people spread it unknowingly, which could be really important for reducing how much we exceed those scarce ICU beds.

Dreylad posted:

Yeah, like I said I'm just speculating. I hope we're still in the phase where testing is still valuable because that means this thing isn't out of control here and that'll help in the long run. Preventative care is always best.

vyelkin posted:

I mean really the big thing for Canada is that the virus is almost certainly spreading unchecked through the US right now and the massive amount of daily cross-border traffic means Canada should expect to get slammed as a result.

Dreylad posted:

Say what you will about our country, at least our medical research has been really good. Between this and the ebola vaccine:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canadian-scientists-make-covid-19-research-breakthrough-isolating-virus-1.4851641