|
https://twitter.com/ryandroyd/status/1238219973165592576?s=20 Ryan is not the idiot.
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 14:42
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 10:32 |
|
|
https://twitter.com/Boy1010Tory/status/1238244705164500992 https://twitter.com/Boy1010Tory/status/1238245816214708225 https://twitter.com/Boy1010Tory/status/1238246222449827843
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 15:04
|
|
|
Captain Monkey posted:https://twitter.com/ryandroyd/status/1238219973165592576?s=20 He’s a medical professional not a capitalist professional. This is also why you don’t listen to doctors outside what they studied for
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 15:49
|
|
|
Henchman of Santa posted:Bernie Sanders went on Joe Rogan so Medicare for all must be bullshit. Joe Rogan's only real problem is that he's utterly clueless. He's not a Nazi but he hasn't figured out that he needs to stop letting lovely people use his show as a platform, so he just lets everyone on as a guest regardless.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 15:56
|
|
|
It's his show. I don't see why he should stop. Frankly, airing the idiots makes it easier to identify them and pick apart their arguments. It incites discussion and catches the attention of intellectuals from opposing sides of the guest's specialty. In the ensuing critiques, you can learn more about the topic. It may even bring people over who wouldn't have previously thought that there was anything wrong with the way they were looking at things. That only happens if you let them talk and draw criticism. Let people prove how crazy they really are. Oh and I listened to the first 20min of the Osterholm interview on my way to work this morning. It's pretty good info. Highly recommend it. The Ferret King has a new favorite as of 16:15 on Mar 13, 2020 |
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:10
|
|
|
The Ferret King posted:It's his show. I don't see why he should stop. It's better to NOT give fascists a platform, thanks
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:14
|
|
|
Kit Walker posted:It's better to NOT give fascists a platform, thanks No, thank you. I don't know who you're talking about.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:16
|
|
|
The Ferret King posted:No, thank you. Gavin McInnes has been on his show at least once.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:35
|
|
|
"We should let fascists and racists have a platform so their ideas can be proven wrong! Nobody would ever believe their crazy propaganda!" "Wait, what do you mean the people keep voting for them now?"
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:36
|
|
|
It's been proven time and again no matter how crazy the idea if it goes out to the public a certain percent will believe it. It's also been proven that once a person believes something and hears a counter argument it only entrenches their belief the vast majority of the time. In short giving them a platform at all even if you discredit it actually hinders progress. I wish it wasn't that way but it's how humans operate.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:38
|
|
|
The Ferret King posted:It's his show. I don't see why he should stop. I've highlighted the part that doesn't happen. remember when he declined to press Andy Ngo on his obviously fictional brain bleed?
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:39
|
|
|
The Ferret King posted:Frankly, airing the idiots makes it easier to identify them and pick apart their arguments. It incites discussion and catches the attention of intellectuals from opposing sides of the guest's specialty. In the ensuing critiques, you can learn more about the topic. It may even bring people over who wouldn't have previously thought that there was anything wrong with the way they were looking at things. "Sunlight disinfects" stopped being a viable option when they realized that they could say the quiet parts really loud with no consequence. "Ha ha, what a maroon. Lemme get 'em with facts and logic and wait, why are you putting fascists in power, no, my critical analysis of your policies are supposed to- okay, yes, Mr. Miller, we will enact your Muslim ban."
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:42
|
|
|
I just wanna clarify. We're saying that these people appearing on Rogan's podcast got them elected to something?Darkhold posted:It's been proven time and again no matter how crazy the idea if it goes out to the public a certain percent will believe it. It's also been proven that once a person believes something and hears a counter argument it only entrenches their belief the vast majority of the time. How do you reach those people?
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:43
|
|
|
The Ferret King posted:It's his show. I don't see why he should stop. You don't fight Nazis with words, you fight them with fists. Once they're on the ground, you can politely explain why they're dumb and wrong.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:44
|
|
|
The Ferret King posted:I just wanna clarify. We're saying that these people appearing on Rogan's podcast got them elected to something? Joe Rogan has the most popular podcast/YouTube show on the planet, and putting fascist ideology on a loudspeaker and going "Huh, that's an interesting point and observation" will lead and has led to listeners going "Maybe they have a point."
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:45
|
|
|
d3lness posted:You don't fight Nazis with words, you fight them with fists. Once they're on the ground, you can politely explain why they're dumb and wrong. Wait, you've actually punched people? Takoluka posted:Joe Rogan has the most popular podcast/YouTube show on the planet, and putting fascist ideology on a loudspeaker and going "Huh, that's an interesting point and observation" will lead and has led to listeners going "Maybe they have a point." I just think the totality of his content has done far more to spotlight progressive ideas than not. It seems like a net-gain to me. Not even close, it's big time exposure to progressive ideas to an audience that would probably not consider that stuff coming from anyone other than a dude-bro martial arts guy.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:46
|
|
Skwirl posted:I just started playing Fire Emblem: Three Houses and going through old posts on the thread came across this doozie. Yeah, I remember when this whole shitshow went down. At the time, we were cracking jokes about how this retroactively made Niosi the perfect VA for Alex, the borderline incel protagonist of YIIK (aka  )
|
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:46
|
|
|
Takoluka posted:"Sunlight disinfects" stopped being a viable option when they realized that they could say the quiet parts really loud with no consequence. "Ha ha, what a maroon. Lemme get 'em with facts and logic and wait, why are you putting fascists in power, no, my critical analysis of your policies are supposed to- okay, yes, Mr. Miller, we will enact your Muslim ban." Historically, sunlight only stops fascists when bottled.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:47
|
|
|
I had a dream once that I was hanging out with Indiana Jones, who had been transported to the present day, and we went to the mall and there was a little store that only sold Nazi paraphernalia and souvenirs, and when he saw the store Indy sighed and took off his whip and started whipping all the coffee mugs with swastikas and breaking them, and the three skinheads who ran it came running out and we got in a big fight just like in the movies
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:51
|
|
|
The only platform a Nazi deserves is the kind that gets kicked out from them as soon as the rope is tied around their neck.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 16:51
|
|
|
The Ferret King posted:How do you reach those people? If you really want to go at it you ignore their arguments and instead get meta and talk about how all these guys have the same rhetoric/recruitment strategy. What you don't do is give them a debate stage as they'll all just Gish Gallop you and change topic constantly and you never ever give them room to monologue to a new audience.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 17:01
|
|
|
don't forget distributing counter-propaganda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGAqYNFQdZ4
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 17:18
|
|
|
I got distracted by the next video on how to succeed with brunettes.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 17:19
|
|
|
Speaking of not arguing in good faith
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 17:25
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1238129819348541440
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 17:29
|
|
|
More like The Sealion King.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 17:31
|
|
|
We dove into nonsequiter fever dreams about whip cracking archaeologists and punching Nazis. I thought we were done, my apologies. You guys are smarter than me, you win!
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 17:36
|
|
|
Joe Rogan had had fringe *right* people on. But he's never had a Dworkin feminist or a Zapatistas or anything. I do actually think there is merit in not trying to suppress viewpoints by deplatforming, but I'm always stuck on the fact that the platform isn't neutral, it is heavily biased towards reactionary politics and against more radical leftism. He's not opening up the window, it's still just liberalism versus fascism.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 17:37
|
|
|
Perhaps trying to convince a weasel monarch that Nazis are bad was a fool's errand 
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 17:43
|
|
|
Mak0rz posted:Perhaps trying to convince a weasel monarch that Nazis are bad was a fool's errand I'll admit, it looks bad.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 17:45
|
|
|
The Ferret King posted:How do you reach those people? 
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 17:58
|
|
|
"Oh, but I don't see YOU shooting Nazis. Heh. I am very smart. And for some reason defending the platforming of Nazis."
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 18:00
|
|
|
Seriously though, we can't shoot Nazis right now because it's against the law to open fire American government representatives.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 18:02
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 18:23
|
|
|
Idiots on Social Media: I did vote for Trump, but referring to me as "Trump Supporting"
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 18:24
|
|
|
Captain Hygiene posted:Idiots on Social Media: I did vote for Trump, but referring to me as "Trump Supporting" I mean a lot of people who voted for Clinton in the general are not Clinton supporters.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 18:48
|
|
|
I mean, I agree in a more nuanced sense, but I'm still going to laugh at that clarification. Especially coming from the Trump side.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 18:56
|
|
|
I get what you mean... Unfortunately I think a vote can still count as support. Maybe not pounding the streets in their name, but their name did get a tick next it it and it was put there by this dipshit's hand.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 18:56
|
|
|
Darkhold posted:It's been proven time and again no matter how crazy the idea if it goes out to the public a certain percent will believe it. It's also been proven that once a person believes something and hears a counter argument it only entrenches their belief the vast majority of the time. IIRC that second one has been called into question as part of the whole replication crisis psychology is going through.
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 18:56
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 10:32 |
|
|
I'm just saying, there's no harm in letting the nazis have a platform. *Camera pans over to the US, where Donald Trump has been president for three years and the child concentration camps have long since slipped out of the discourse solely because they're old news*
|
|
#
?
Mar 13, 2020 19:26
|
|
