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Who is your first pick in the deputy leadership race? This poll is closed. |
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| R. Allin-Khan |
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6 | 1.60% |
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80 | 21.33% |
| D. Butler |
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| P. Flaps |
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177 | 47.20% |
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Darth Walrus posted:Oxygen mask as opposed to tube down your throat. NIV is a bit more than that - it's an airtight mask covering the mouth and nose (or possibly the whole face) that forces air (normally with additional oxygen) into your lungs when it detects you inhaling, then releases the pressure (usually to still higher than ambient to keep the bronchioles inflated - if they're allowed to fully relax in a lung with pneumonia or other dysfunctions they tend to get stuck closed by mucus, reducing the surface area available for gas exchange) when you exhale. It basically does the same job as a tube down the throat, not quite as effectively, but it allows the patient to remain conscious and is less risky for infection as intubation. The machines are also a bit more finicky than traditional mechanical ventilators and considerably more expensive, but also require less supervision. (Source: Parents with COPD and an obsessive nature that meant at one point one of the consultants at London Chest Hospital (jokingly) offered me a job training the nurses on how their NIV machines worked)
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not entirely promising results for anyone betting on ECMO: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30566-3/fulltext 3 attempts leading to 3 failures, not a large sample ofc but it's not entirely promising bit more data than the singapore image i'm used to looking at as well: 
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Mar 13, 2020 18:07
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The pubs in Bristol are noticably significantly quieter than usual. It's the apocalypse for sure!
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Mar 13, 2020 18:09
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:not entirely promising results for anyone betting on ECMO:
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Mar 13, 2020 18:32
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Genuinely surprised that even the Mail and Express are leading with Boris looking dopey, and a headline of "Millions of families will lose loved ones" Don't think that was the look the Tories wanted here.
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Mar 13, 2020 18:50
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guy from works dad died from coronavirus, so I'm two degrees away from a confirmed case  apparently he hasn't been at work since his dad was symptomatic, but he was there on Monday so it must have been a pretty speedy illness. the guy is at least 55 so his dad must have been getting on 80, and if it was that quick I imagine he wasn't doing so well beforehand hope he doesn't have it and hasn't been passing it on asymptomatically. I was only in on Monday, and pretty obsessively washing my hands, and tbh I try and avoid the guy as best I can anyway, but he does have a habit of standing right up in your personal space when he wants to talk to you so I'm obviously a little concerned guy is self isolating for seven days, the office is still open, no mention of people working from home if possible, no instructions for field based staff to avoid the office, no total ban on customers coming to site 
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Mar 13, 2020 19:04
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XMNN posted:guy is self isolating for seven days, the office is still open, no mention of people working from home if possible, no instructions for field based staff to avoid the office, no total ban on customers coming to site  you should definitely try and get something out of them
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Mar 13, 2020 19:06
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Two people in my town have it, gently caress, it's only a matter of time before it spreads to most of us and given I live so close to a major city...
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Mar 13, 2020 19:07
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Bbc is somehow claiming that by doing nothing the U.K. government will avoid scenes like in Italy
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Mar 13, 2020 19:10
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E: ^^^Well yeah, people were doing stuff in those scenes. We'll have a whole different flavour of scene! All face to face teaching at Swansea uni is cancelled. ...from the end of next week. When lectures are over anyway. Still frees up about 20 hours of seminars, prep & revision sessions I would've had to do though, so I'm gonna panic buy myself some beers & maybe a new game off Steam 
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Mar 13, 2020 19:10
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There's a new Path of Exile league starting tonight, the new Half Life game is out soon, and I still haven't been asked to work from home, just a vague suggestion from my supervisor that I concentrate on site-based work to build up a backlog of office-based stuff.
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Mar 13, 2020 19:21
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Bardeh posted:There's a new Path of Exile league starting tonight, the new Half Life game is out soon, and I still haven't been asked to work from home, just a vague suggestion from my supervisor that I concentrate on site-based work to build up a backlog of office-based stuff. new Animal Crossing is out on the 20th.
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Borrovan posted:E: ^^^Well yeah, people were doing stuff in those scenes. We'll have a whole different flavour of scene! This is a city where mumps has been running rampant recently so corona is going to kick the poo poo out of them.
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Mar 13, 2020 19:25
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Re all the ventilator chat, hospital ICUs are expanding as much as they can in preparation, taking over other wards and theatre spaces. The new spaces are less appropriate, and there aren’t enough properly qualified staff for them, but they are doing what they can.
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Mar 13, 2020 19:27
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I jokingly posted yesterday that speedrunning Coronavirus through the population as fast as possible and taking a couple of hundred thousand extra deaths in order to be back on our feet before the rest of Europe might be the kind of idea to appeal to Dominic Cummings, especially if most of the extra deaths are amongst those he considers to be a drain on society. Every action (or lack thereof) our government's taken today is making me less convinced this is a joke. Every medical expert I've heard speaking on the radio today about herd immunity sounds as if Cummings is stood behind them holding a gun to their head.
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Soylent Yellow posted:I jokingly posted yesterday that speedrunning Coronavirus through the population as fast as possible and taking a couple of hundred thousand extra deaths in order to be back on our feet before the rest of Europe might be the kind of idea to appeal to Dominic Cummings, especially if most of the extra deaths are amongst those he considers to be a drain on society. Every action (or lack thereof) our government's taken today is making me less convinced this is a joke. Every medical expert I've heard speaking on the radio today about herd immunity sounds as if Cummings is stood behind them holding a gun to their head. No you’re right, they’re hoping to get the bulk of cases/deaths now so in winter there isn’t a Coronavirus+flu mélange and double the carnage for the few hospital beds
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Mar 13, 2020 19:35
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:
apparently he was looking after his dad but it "hasn't been necessary for him or his family to be tested as they have no symptoms" this is really hosed up, surely he should be isolating for at least 14 days? looking at the NHS website the only mention of self isolation seems to be '7 days if you have a cough/fever" so I have no idea if they're even bothering to tell confirmed contacts of symptomatic cases to quarantine at all or not. if they're not then it seems a bit loving criminally negligent I haven't been in, and I only found out by remoting into my work pc to check what was going on. everyone's gone home now but I'll send an email to the MD saying that they should be taking it more seriously and that that guy needs to stay home for longer also, I bet the person who said "this is ridiculous, it's only killed three people" feels like an arsehole right now
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Mar 13, 2020 19:36
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quote:WHO urges countries to 'track and trace' every Covid-19 case So filled with confidence right now 
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Mar 13, 2020 19:41
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Jel Shaker posted:No you’re right, they’re hoping to get the bulk of cases/deaths now so in winter there isn’t a Coronavirus+flu mélange and double the carnage for the few hospital beds
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Mar 13, 2020 19:45
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A friend's workplace has some people at home self isolating due to close contact with a confirmed case but now the guidance has changed they have all been told to come back to work unless they have a fever or cough. They were only told to start self isolating on Tuesday.
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Mar 13, 2020 19:45
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For self-isolation entertainment: Call of Duty's free-to-play Battle Royale mode just released this week.
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Mar 13, 2020 19:45
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All the reporting about herd immunity seems to be treating it as a beneficial result of non-intervention, when actually it's the beneficial side effect of hundreds of deaths resulting from non-intervention.
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Mar 13, 2020 19:48
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Skilbs posted:A friend's workplace has some people at home self isolating due to close contact with a confirmed case but now the guidance has changed they have all been told to come back to work unless they have a fever or cough. They were only told to start self isolating on Tuesday. I thought there was a possibility/probability that people were contagious during the asymptomatic period? even if there wasn't, it seems like erring on the side of caution would avoid someone going "well it's only a little bit of a cough" and then coming into work before coming down with it nastily?
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Mar 13, 2020 19:48
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https://twitter.com/CaoIan_/status/1238144629603696642
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Nadine Dorries, a junior health minister in the UK’s government who tested positive for coronavirus earlier this week, says her mother has now been confirmed as having contracted the virus. but who could have possibly foreseen this
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Mar 13, 2020 20:10
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This has been going around twitter already but thought it might be useful to post here, it's a list of mutual aid groups if you wanna help out people who need it over the coming months: https://freedomnews.org.uk/covid-19-uk-mutual-aid-groups-a-list/ There's a couple bits of London missing off the above list currently that I know of so there's this thread also which i assume will be updating quicker: https://twitter.com/MissEllieMae/status/1238426880233148419
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Mar 13, 2020 20:13
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Endjinneer posted:All the reporting about herd immunity seems to be treating it as a beneficial result of non-intervention, when actually it's the beneficial side effect of hundreds of thousands of deaths resulting from non-intervention.
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bionic vapour boy posted:This has been going around twitter already but thought it might be useful to post here, it's a list of mutual aid groups if you wanna help out people who need it over the coming months: https://freedomnews.org.uk/covid-19-uk-mutual-aid-groups-a-list/ Is there a sensible way to decide whether you're not at risk to help out with some of these, given it would involve contact with vulnerable groups? E.g. I've been commuting into London (train & tube) and have spent the last week sat between two people who attended a conference where there have been a couple of confirmed cases. Should I assume I could be a carrier for the next 14 days now that I'm working from home and no longer travelling into London, or should I just carry on as normal unless I show symptoms?
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I live in a tory majority area and just noticed today people have panic bought everything but the value brand toilet paper. There are still stacks. loving animals.
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I thought "herd immunity" referred to the situation where a disease can't gain traction because so many of the population are vaccination, not... dead.Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:Nadine Dorries, a junior health minister in the UK’s government who tested positive for coronavirus earlier this week, says her mother has now been confirmed as having contracted the virus. Like, oof, but also, lmao who indeed? How could anyone have predicted this most impossible of outcomes??
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Mar 13, 2020 20:30
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You're only infectious a day or two before symptoms start IIRC, so if you stay home on the weekend you'll be fairly safe that Monday.
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Ms Adequate posted:I thought "herd immunity" referred to the situation where a disease can't gain traction because so many of the population are vaccination, not... dead. Either works but generally we prefer vaccination to death
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Prince John posted:Is there a sensible way to decide whether you're not at risk to help out with some of these, given it would involve contact with vulnerable groups? E.g. I've been commuting into London (train & tube) and have spent the last week sat between two people who attended a conference where there have been a couple of confirmed cases. Might be worth asking your local group from the above links what their suggestions are? But I'd say if in any doubt then assume you're a carrier, yeah. (I'm myself feeling Vaguely Flu-y this evening so I'm not doing poo poo for a long while)
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Mar 13, 2020 20:36
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i mean really taking any measures against infecting yourself or anyone around you is directly going against bojo's master plan its our patriotic duty to infect others and i fully expect roving gangs of gammons to rip my mask off and cough in my face for britane
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Mar 13, 2020 20:38
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Ms Adequate posted:I thought "herd immunity" referred to the situation where a disease can't gain traction because so many of the population are vaccination, not... dead. It refers to the point where enough of the population are immune, which can be because you vaccinated everyone, because they developed a natural immunity due to catching it, or because everyone who was vulnerable to it died. Or a mixture of the three.
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Mar 13, 2020 20:48
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Okay so Boris' announcement was awful but at least he isn't running a series of commercials for corporations like Trump is lol
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Mar 13, 2020 20:49
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Communist Thoughts posted:i mean really taking any measures against infecting yourself or anyone around you is directly going against bojo's master plan Berlin today: closing bars and nightclubs London last night (and probably tonight as well): packed pubs with banter lads knocking elbows together then laughing it up, no one looking remotely concerned
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Mar 13, 2020 20:49
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namesake posted:Okay so Boris' announcement was awful but at least he isn't running a series of commercials for corporations like Trump is lol They're still doing something. It's terrible and inefficient but they're 'trying'. Bojo literally said 'we're going to let lots of people die' and got away with it.
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Mar 13, 2020 20:51
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Regarde Aduck posted:They're still doing something. It's terrible and inefficient but they're 'trying'. Bojo literally said 'we're going to let lots of people die' and got away with it. I honestly think 'You're on your own HUNGER GAMES!' is better than 'This pandemic response has been privatised."
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OwlFancier posted:It refers to the point where enough of the population are immune, which can be because you vaccinated everyone, because they developed a natural immunity due to catching it, or because everyone who was vulnerable to it died. Or a mixture of the three. natural immunity is of dubious efficacy too, they're pretending its 100% and really its ???%
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