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Who is your first pick in the deputy leadership race? This poll is closed. |
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| R. Allin-Khan |
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6 | 1.60% |
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| D. Butler |
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| A. Rayner |
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| I. Murray |
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| P. Flaps |
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177 | 47.20% |
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Helith posted:So, I'm all the way over in Australia but my parents who are in the 80s and my sister and her family are all in England (parents in the north west, sister in the south west), and I'm freaking out about Boris' herd immunity plan. Like I'm genuinely worried for my parents because there is no way I can help them other than urging them to stay at home and not let anyone in. My mum has asthma too and has had so many health issues over the years. Feel you mate. I'm also in Aus but my Mum, brother, sister and Gran are home in the UK as well as my partners family including her pregnant sister. My bro is a doctor in the north west of the UK and it's all pretty full on for him even now. We're just focussing on blunt conversations with the family about pragmatic precautionary steps to take, making sure they appreciate the seriousness of the situation and having lots of webcam time. I was looking forward to some relaxation time after the fires but nope!
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Tomberforce posted:Feel you mate. I'm also in Aus but my Mum, brother, sister and Gran are home in the UK as well as my partners family including her pregnant sister. My bro is a doctor in the north west of the UK and it's all pretty full on for him even now. We're just focussing on blunt conversations with the family about pragmatic precautionary steps to take, making sure they appreciate the seriousness of the situation and having lots of webcam time. Thanks mate, I remember you from the bushfire thread, you're down in Vic and a volunteer firie in the CFA right? No wonder you're feeling the strain. It's crazy times and we won't be the only ones with elderly relatives back in the Uk either. Reading that Boris is getting a lot of pushback over his plan and that they are going to ban large gatherings next weekend is slightly helping. They should be banning large gathering right now, but every country is moving too slow on this now. I'm in north shore Sydney, the epicentre of the Aussie outbreak and we're running out of testing kits, so it's not like it's much better here tbh.
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Mar 14, 2020 08:49
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My wife went to a meeting yesterday to discuss event cancellation due to coronavirus. She maintained impeccable social distance and then every other idiot at the meeting went right in and hugged her. This morning she has a tickly cough, so joke's on them I guess. 
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Mar 14, 2020 08:51
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Helith posted:Thanks mate, I remember you from the bushfire thread, you're down in Vic and a volunteer firie in the CFA right? No wonder you're feeling the strain. Yeah mate, fortunately the fire season never really came for our area so we didn't get hit anywhere near as bad as over east! We're getting lots of protocols coming through from CFA to try and maintain operational readiness through this pandemic thing though. It scares me more than fires - at least you can generally see fire coming. This is like living in the Thing! Hoping that being a bit more rural we will be able to social distance a bit more effectively than the cities - hopefully same for my family in Yorkshire.
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Mar 14, 2020 09:04
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With the advice to self-isolate if you get a "continuous cough" does that mean like chain coughing or does it mean an occasional cough that lasts for a few days?
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Mar 14, 2020 09:36
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When you cough and the noise lasts for like three hours, presumably. khhUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU---
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Mar 14, 2020 09:37
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Maugrim posted:My wife went to a meeting yesterday to discuss event cancellation due to coronavirus. She maintained impeccable social distance and then every other idiot at the meeting went right in and hugged her. This morning she has a tickly cough, so joke's on them I guess. This is not an example of maintaining impeccable social distance
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Mar 14, 2020 09:56
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OwlFancier posted:When you cough and the noise lasts for like three hours, presumably. I open my eight mouths, and cough the cough that ends the world. Personally I’m really enjoying the vague, unfamiliar and non-medical terminology to go with the late, poo poo advice.
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Mar 14, 2020 09:59
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Everyone in Havant except me is buying bog roll
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Mar 14, 2020 10:04
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Mebh posted:Polish guy with no hands in asda said he has 100 percent proof of life after death and not to worry about corona. He'll tell me more if I want when I see him next. https://twitter.com/Scarfolk/status/1238383247396085761
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Mar 14, 2020 10:06
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Everyone in Havant except me is buying bog roll Weird thing around here is that all the big shops have empty bogroll shelves but all the little ones have tons. I'm assuming there's going to be some fascinating psychological papers about this at some point.
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Mar 14, 2020 10:12
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Qwertycoatl posted:With the advice to self-isolate if you get a "continuous cough" does that mean like chain coughing or does it mean an occasional cough that lasts for a few days? And also on this note, the guidance says a dry cough, but is it deep like bronchitis? Just woke up to a deep cough that expels all air in my lungs lol
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Mar 14, 2020 10:14
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The Division was giving good advice years ago. Polish guy can ignore the second one.
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Mar 14, 2020 10:15
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Weird thing around here is that all the big shops have empty bogroll shelves but all the little ones have tons. I'm assuming there's going to be some fascinating psychological papers about this at some point. Yeah I just popped in to a little corner shop and they had plenty, with a limit of 2 per customer per visit. Aldi was barren for loo roll but had plenty of tomato tins and some pasta. I've avoided the 24 hour massive Tesco though.
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Mar 14, 2020 10:18
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i've been reading stuff saying you might be able to recatch coronavirsuses and that's not unusual, and there's not enough evidence yet to fully say you can't be reinfected with covid-19. If that's true.... does that make our governments approach utterly catastrophic and suicidal?
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Mar 14, 2020 10:20
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hemale in pain posted:i've been reading stuff saying you might be able to recatch coronavirsuses and that's not unusual, and there's not enough evidence yet to fully say you can't be reinfected with covid-19. I suppose if the government can wipe out a chunk of the population now it does mean when we no deal Brexit there are fewer mouths to feed, silver lining and all that.
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Mar 14, 2020 10:27
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Everyone in Havant except me is buying bog roll Just lol if you post here and still wipe your hole. Seaside Loafer loafed to show us the way
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Mar 14, 2020 10:27
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Mebh posted:I made really good cheeseburgers tonight. And I was happy. loving hell we're all gonna die. What was so good about it? Pls note I hate anything with vinegar in it so you’re on thin ice
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Mar 14, 2020 10:29
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OwlFancier posted:All you can ever do is advise, people make their own decisions, unfortunately. Ironically the least worst plan to defeat this would have been to clap and cheer that Boris is a big sensible pragmatist who is doing nothing unlike the Italians and Chinese who are big drama babbies, well done Boris. But we hosed that.
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Mar 14, 2020 10:38
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I'm not sure that's the case so much as, again, boris doesn't plan ahead properly and just reacts. Specifically because people aren't going to want insane fascist poo poo they just want it to not affect them, so the only real good answer is stuff like bill waivers, sick pay, and mandatory holidays, paying for the outbreak out of the public pocket. As the government isn't going to do that it's going to just flail around not able to stick to a course of action and everyone's gonna get pissed. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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Mar 14, 2020 10:39
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https://twitter.com/Scarfolk/status/1238748223206035456 I feel like Richard Littler has been waiting for this moment. 
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Mar 14, 2020 10:46
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Herd immunity: will the UK's coronavirus strategy work? posted:
but it's eviiiiiiiidence baaaaased you fools love to be enrolled in an enormous and dangerous medical experiment without giving my informed consent
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Mar 14, 2020 10:49
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure that's the case so much as, again, boris doesn't plan ahead properly and just reacts.
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Mar 14, 2020 10:52
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https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238518371651649538?s=21 A behavioural scientist explains and justifies the government strategy. Seems to rely on some big assumptions that haven't been demonstrated all that well by China's studies, like how well immunity develops and how infectious low-risk people are.
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Mar 14, 2020 10:53
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Why are we asking behavioural scientists about epidemiology?
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Mar 14, 2020 10:59
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uk is taking the pickup artist dating approach to combat a viral disease.
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Mar 14, 2020 11:08
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Is it just me, or is the Government and the BBC starting to get a bit coy about releasing infection figures? They've started slipping them in about half way through other virus-related articles rather than reporting them directly, and the big Pandemic-style maps seem to be hidden away in a corner. Haven't they been releasing new figures at 9am every morning? They're still reporting yesterday's total of 798.
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Mar 14, 2020 11:10
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Very fond of all these mush brained people explaining why it makes total sense to spread the infection as much as possible because somehow that won't result in the numbers of deaths seen literally everywhere else that has happened. Like yes, trying to reduce infections will result in long term economic disruption, but the alternative is you start piling corpses up in the street, there is no way you can make everyone sick and not just kill mountains of people.
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Mar 14, 2020 11:11
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hemale in pain posted:i've been reading stuff saying you might be able to recatch coronavirsuses and that's not unusual, and there's not enough evidence yet to fully say you can't be reinfected with covid-19. We're not sure yet which is one reason the govs 'strategy' is so maddening, there just isn't certainty abot this or a lot of factors and some of them if we guess wrong are disastrous. There have been no confirmations of reinfection and right now I don't think it's particularly likely. There are cases where people test negative to covid-19 after recovering then positive later but there have been studies from China which have shown (low levels of) viral shedding up to 24 days after people have externally recovered so I suspect that is the reason for these possible reinfections. Circulating (non covid-19) coronaviruses are seasonal and you can recatch them in the sense they mutate to a different version.
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OwlFancier posted:Very fond of all these mush brained people explaining why it makes total sense to spread the infection as much as possible because somehow that won't result in the numbers of deaths seen literally everywhere else that has happened. British Constitution stat is just better than dirty foreigners from far flung places like spain and italy okay?
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Mar 14, 2020 11:12
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British Constitution stat can be whatever they say it is because it's unwritten.
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Mar 14, 2020 11:17
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Soylent Yellow posted:Is it just me, or is the Government and the BBC starting to get a bit coy about releasing infection figures? They've started slipping them in about half way through other virus-related articles rather than reporting them directly, and the big Pandemic-style maps seem to be hidden away in a corner. Haven't they been releasing new figures at 9am every morning? They're still reporting yesterday's total of 798. At this stage there isn't really much point. They're not testing enough to show the true number of cases anyway. The only important statistic from now on is how many people are dead from it.
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Mar 14, 2020 11:17
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hemale in pain posted:uk is taking the pickup artist dating approach to combat a viral disease.
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Mar 14, 2020 11:18
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Amazing to realise that if the herd immunity is progressing too slow to work by winter, the government will have to take measures to increase Coronavirus among the population Bringing the boer war concentration camps back full circle
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Mar 14, 2020 11:20
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238518371651649538?s=21 not sure I would characterise "let it slow burn through the entire population and hope that it all works out in the end" as particularly more 'refined" than "extensive testing, social distancing and contact tracing" but I'm not an also I'm p sure risky and based on assumptions are not great things for any serious undertaking, let alone the one where the best case scenario we're actually loving aiming for involves 60% of 66 million people getting a disease with a 1% mortality rate, so 400,000 dead people
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Mar 14, 2020 11:23
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Get Covid Done. The British people are tired of dither and delay. They yearn to leap forth and feel the rushing air of freedom. That their pneumonic lungs may struggle to derive oxygen from said air is Project Fear, and even if it isn’t it’s about time they had some hardship, let me tell you about The Bins
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Mar 14, 2020 11:23
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My favourite bit is that the entire thing hinges on: https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238560476663070720 Being the only thing that separates this from megadeath speedrunning. Which is to say you should sell this guy a bridge ASAP. Also: https://twitter.com/nickkeca/status/1238607560846049281 Might it not be safer to just start shooting psychologists on sight if they're all apparently absolute psychopaths?
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Mar 14, 2020 11:25
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Is this government's plan to let us literally die out until we somehow adapt?
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Ash Crimson posted:Is this government's plan to let us literally die out until we somehow adapt? What else would you expect from the eugenics brain fund?
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