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If you ever wanted evidence that Zeon lost by wasting money on wunderwaffes, just remember that the closest to success anyone in the series came to taking down the Gundam before the finale was a bunch of yahoos on speeder bikes.
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Onmi posted:Hooligans is weird. I don't think it's bad, but it feels very un-gundam. I will say there's one thing RoJR, FH and 0083 Rebellion have all shown me... There is a MASSIVE hard-on for the G-Fighter. There are SO MANY G-FIGHTERS! They keep trying to make it a 'thing' and make it work and it never does. I rewatched December Sky the other day and jesus. They had the whole monty, with GMs docked with them and everything.
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Argas posted:Oh definitely, I just enjoy the stupidest children being shoved into MS and being told to fight a war, and they're all adults. The thing I love about Johnny Ridden is how there's this guy, Johnny Ridden, the living legend, second only to Char in Zeon. Everyone who's met him goes "Johnny Ridden is, in fact, the coolest dude. He's like Char if Char wasn't a dickbag." And there's Led Wayline, the guy who's perpetually mocked by his coworkers for being a dumbass screwup. And they're the same guy. And you can believe it.
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galagazombie posted:If you ever wanted evidence that Zeon lost by wasting money on wunderwaffes, just remember that the closest to success anyone in the series came to taking down the Gundam before the finale was a bunch of yahoos on speeder bikes. Those guys were also aided by a groovy synth track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqZtyB0kOH8 Everything about that scene is so outlandish and weird and funny but it comes together really well. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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I think the OYW would have been a one sided, quickly settled affair had the Zakus come with something a smidge stronger than "large bullets and an axe." All this talk of Amuro, the Gundam, the GMs, those are all fair points, but I don't think you hold off an invading Zeon force before Gundam time if they've got beam weapons they're attacking with.
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MonsieurChoc posted:The Plot to Assassinate Gihren Zabi is amazing. I always forget about Plot.
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galagazombie posted:If you ever wanted evidence that Zeon lost by wasting money on wunderwaffes, just remember that the closest to success anyone in the series came to taking down the Gundam before the finale was a bunch of yahoos on speeder bikes. Zanscare alt account spotted.
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Shinjobi posted:I think the OYW would have been a one sided, quickly settled affair had the Zakus come with something a smidge stronger than "large bullets and an axe." It took Zeon a while to be able to shrink down beam weapons to something a mobile weapon could use Not to mention until the Federation started deploying their own mobile suits, there really was not much of a need at all for beam weapons on them, basically everything they encountered was easily taken out with their standard weapons(Magellan and Salamis class ships were not particularly durable in any regard)
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I'm incredibly basic, but I actually kind of enjoyed Narrative. It went nowhere and had no effect on anything, and the characters were flat overall, but Even So, I enjoyed the dumb spectacle while it lasted, and it got a few nostalgic smiles out of me at times with its dumb 'hey you remember Thing? here's Thing, please clap' stuff. The biggest one being the aforementioned Even So moment. I'm kind of back on a gundam kick lately, and I think it's about time I got around to a rewatch of 0079.
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Nessus posted:Yeah, if they'd put their dick in their pants and said "space is free, also we run all the major spaceports" they would have likely been able to get it, but well, the mindset that wants to conquer Earth wants to conquer Earth. Given that the Federation quickly overwhelmed Zeon once they were back in to space with some mobile suits, I don't know that I'd agree with that assessment. Shinjobi posted:I think the OYW would have been a one sided, quickly settled affair had the Zakus come with something a smidge stronger than "large bullets and an axe." All this talk of Amuro, the Gundam, the GMs, those are all fair points, but I don't think you hold off an invading Zeon force before Gundam time if they've got beam weapons they're attacking with. The Zaku's heat axe is actually the only weapon it uses with any regularity capable of damaging the Gundam. Char uses one to melt a gash through the shield in episode 5 and I believe we see a regular Zaku II with one a few episodes later, even if Char never uses one again for some reason. Regardless, if a Zaku had had a beam rifle and beam axe/sablerthen it probably wouldn't have made much difference, because the Zaku I/II could already make mincemeat of the Federation's various planes, tanks and battleships with little issue and giving it a beam rifle instead of a bullet rifle wouldn't change that much. galagazombie posted:If you ever wanted evidence that Zeon lost by wasting money on wunderwaffes, just remember that the closest to success anyone in the series came to taking down the Gundam before the finale was a bunch of yahoos on speeder bikes. Not really. I guess you could argue that they were seconds away from winning, but as is, they didn't actually do anything other than blow up the shield and you could say that Ramba Ral, Char etc. were seconds away from winning at times too while still causing more damage. I'd say that the closest anyone came to defeating the Gundam was some minor scrubs, but it wasn't them and that it was the Gouf pilots in episode 22 or 23 who attacked in a group at one point. One of them manages to melt the Gundam's waist with his heat whip, and when another attacks a few seconds later, Amuro is unable to actually do anything and starts panicking in the cockpit because he thinks he's about to die. He's only saved a few seconds later by Hayato's intervention in the new G-Bull; which is presumably why the sequence exists at all. Still, it's there regardless and Ramba Ral wasn't even the Gouf pilot to come closest to defeating the Gundam or cause it the most damage because of that scene. Actually, because of that scene in conjunction with Ramba's final Gouf battle you can make a pretty good argument that melee was the Gundam's biggest weakness and a melee specialist unit like the Gouf was the best chance Zeon had to exploit that deficiency and overwhelm the Gundam; and by extension the GM, given that it shares the same properties.
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Shinjobi posted:I think the OYW would have been a one sided, quickly settled affair had the Zakus come with something a smidge stronger than "large bullets and an axe." In addition to beam technology being an area where the feddies were months ahead, it's mostly notable in Mobile Suit fights. The tanks and infantry that did the bulk of the fighting and dying pre-GM weren't taking more than one shot to down with physical weapons. It might even be more of a handicap. It would allow any Federation troops with Zakus to do a lot more damage before being detected, since now the Zakus would one-shot each other. Enough suits were hijacked to make that a relevant concern. Also, finally saw Narrative, and I gotta say, when Banagher is a more compelling presence than your lead, you made some questionable decisions somewhere. I can see why people went with the ball of nothing descriptor. There's a plot, and stakes, and even a few fun bits with Zoltan and the head Jesta pilot, but for the most part it's a simple, not terribly compelling plot presented awkwardly with flashbacks that render it even harder to care than it would be by default. The fights have tons of Newtype magic, which works on a logic regarding psychoframe I last saw when an alien was praised for his many, many organs. The film blurts along from fight to fight, with almost all the character development regulated to dramatic gestures and flashbacks. Even the arcs with some interest to them can't feel alive presented this way, and the fact every important suit in the film uses endless Newtype magic makes the fights harder to get engaged in even when they're pretty (which isn't universal). But hey. At least it was free. chiasaur11 fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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Not to mention the only reason the Federation didn't just mass produce the Zanny was because they wanted a suit that could outperform the Zaku rather than merely equal it, which could have been an interesting alternate universe where rather than wait months for Operation V to give results, they just put the Zanny into mass production and focus on overwhelming Zeon with sheer numbers
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aside from char, i don't think zeon ever really figured out that the gundam was just a mobile suit. amuro was the real weapon. for all the bullshit newtypes can do in a mobile weapon, they aren't particularly impressive outside of one. but regardless of how practical it might be, assassinating the living war god while he is just a surly, horny teenager isn't very interesting. sweet-rear end robot fights are way better.
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I actually sort of liked Narrative? It left me thinking, which is more than I can say of 99% of Gundam. Sure, as a movie it's mediocre at best and in the context of Gundam as a franchise it's just Sunrise going "Hey! You liked Unicorn? Here's more Unicorn, kinda! Please buy the Phenex!". But I do like the spiritual direction it takes newtypes in. Most of UC only focuses on war, politics and the weaponization of newtypism but seeing people acknowledge in-universe that newtype ghosts are a thing and what that could mean beyond "newtypes can get super powerups or be deus ex machinas" was nice. It's just taking existing implicit themes and making them explicit, and it's not developing those ideas particularly deep, but I'll take the tiniest hint of a turn in a new direction for the franchise over more OYW sidestories and "Zeon's Remnants are up to no good again, zoinks!" sequels. Basically there's a Full Frontal in my head yammering about how much NT actually sucks and UC is doomed to rehash itself forever, but there's also a Banana in there going "Even so!" and making me want to believe Sunrise has interesting space left to explore with the Universal Century. Having said that, it's now clear that they're purposefully naming new entries after existing Gundam acronyms and I don't like that at all. What's next, Gundam CCA, short for Gundam Classical?
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We’re gonna get Triple Zeta one of these days. Also count me among the brave few that sort of liked Narrative.
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i don't think i'll ever get over them making one of the best key visuals to ever exist and then backing it with a waste of a movie
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Wait scratch that. We’ve had the Z Gundam. We’ve had the Super Gundam. We’re gonna get the GT Gundam to complete the prophecy.
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Raxivace posted:Wait scratch that. We’ve had the Z Gundam. We’ve had the Super Gundam. We've already had a Trans-Am  .
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:aside from char, i don't think zeon ever really figured out that the gundam was just a mobile suit. amuro was the real weapon. for all the bullshit newtypes can do in a mobile weapon, they aren't particularly impressive outside of one. but regardless of how practical it might be, assassinating the living war god while he is just a surly, horny teenager isn't very interesting. sweet-rear end robot fights are way better. Most of the people that cared about the Gundam were concerned about it during the first half or so of the show, when it was explicitly a really strong mobile suit that was carrying Amuro while he learned the ropes. So you get a litany of Zeon pilots exclaiming that the Gundam is even stronger than expected and wondering how the Federation could turn out such a suit when their weapons fail to damage it at all despite hitting during the first dozen or so episodes. After Ramba Ral though, almost no-one else cares one way or the other about the Gundam or it's pilot beyond Char. The only people I can remember commenting on the Gundam's strength beyond Char after that point are the Zakrello pilot and Kycilia. And while I'd have to re-watch it to double check, I'm pretty sure even the Zakrello pilot comments more on the pilot's actions than on the Gundam itself. Kycilia also mostly gives neutral comments that even such & such couldn't defeat the Gundam after all and her wording is ambiguous enough it's entirely possible she means the pilot of the Gundam and not the Gundam itself, especially given that she was the only Zabi overly concerned with Newtypes as a weapon so it'd make sense she views the pilot as a threat and not the unit. GimmickMan posted:Having said that, it's now clear that they're purposefully naming new entries after existing Gundam acronyms and I don't like that at all. What's next, Gundam CCA, short for Gundam Classical? Gundam MP for Gundam MoPed, foreshadowing Duker's realization that bikes are the greatest weapon of all. Gundam GM, for God Mode, because...well, GM. I do think it'd be funny to have a Gundam modeled after a GM though, just for the fractally weird nature of the relationship that'd create. Raxivace posted:We’re gonna get Triple Zeta one of these days. Well, there's a Mega Zeta in the Gigantis manga if I recall and a Triple Zeta (shortened to ZZZ) unit in another manga, which I think may have been Plamo Kyoshiro. Also, count me in as someone else who actually likes Narrative. I think mostly for Michele, but there was some decent action scenes and I found some of the emotional moments nice too despite the blandness of the cast. I kind of like the sheer over-the-top silliness of some of the action too, like Zoltan turning the helium3 containers in to a big bomb with Newtype mind powers. It's silly, but it's so dumb that it's enjoyable regardless.
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chiasaur11 posted:I last saw when an alien was praised for his many, many organs. Doom comic? Huge guts?
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HitTheTargets posted:Doom comic? Huge guts? Pretty sure that was an Invader Zim reference.
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Zebulon posted:Pretty sure that was an Invader Zim reference. You know, mobile suits have been getting taller as they get more powerful in early UC. Hmm... 
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I never post in here but I liked Unicorn and Narrative. That’s there’s now some logic to new type powers pleases me. What’s annoying to me is that gundam keeps killing off the more interesting characters. Also I guess a Haram MC would be the ultimate power because eventually he would have dozens of dead girlfriends powering him up.
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Worked for Kamille I guess. Well, up until Scirocco decided to be a vengeful dick, at least.
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kamille learned the hard way that if you live by the sword*, you die by the sword. *newtype ghost
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Numlock posted:I never post in here but I liked Unicorn and Narrative. I've not seen Narrative yet, but I would find it impossible to say that Unicorn has any logic to Newtype powers beyond main characters being able to do whatever they want.
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EthanSteele posted:I've not seen Narrative yet, but I would find it impossible to say that Unicorn has any logic to Newtype powers beyond main characters being able to do whatever they want. It all fits into the general Newtype theme of 'strength through forming connections', which can be done with either other people (alive or dead) or with special Newtype-attuned machinery. Some incredibly powerful Newtypes can ignore those restrictions and directly manipulate spacetime, but it's still the same basic power. So, telepathy, necromancy, and varying degrees of telekinesis, in ascending order of difficulty.
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Darth Walrus posted:It all fits into the general Newtype theme of 'strength through forming connections', which can be done with either other people (alive or dead) or with special Newtype-attuned machinery. Some incredibly powerful Newtypes can ignore those restrictions and directly manipulate spacetime, but it's still the same basic power. So, telepathy, necromancy, and varying degrees of telekinesis, in ascending order of difficulty. Narrative's "explanation" of newtype powers is pretty much "the newtype is a wizard and can do whatever they want because we're going to stretch and bend the idea of "forming connections" like a piece of taffy". Psycoframe basically acts like a magic wand of focusing for what amounts to literal magic powers. "A sufficiently active newtype can accurately predict the exact details of an upcoming disaster several days/weeks/months into the future, telekinetically activate and hurl colony-sized tanks of inert gas like snowballs, continue existing indefinitely beyond death(lol), or actively disassemble mobile suits by controlling and reversing time instantaneously to the period before they were built just for them(....)" is so far beyond the momentary flashes of the supernatural previous and future newtypes show that it feels like it belongs in a different universe.
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Everything logical that Unicorn has either showed up previously from Zeta onwards or is out of nowhere random DBZ powerups (also showing up from Zeta onwards).
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So after finally watching Narrative my hot take is that it feels like it was put together wrong. There's a lot of stuff that was muddled or unclear or out of sequence or weirdly superfluous. Like, on reflection I'm genuinely unsure what actually happened between the three in the Newtype labs, as in who said what and who knew what and what they were doing and why, and that's not good since it was contrariwise crystal clear that whatever happened was the impetus behind the entire plot. Also despite having a dozen-ish flashbacks scenes there were only like three different actual flashbacks. Meanwhile vaguely bad guy minister's scenes with Mineva felt mostly pointless, as was the entire opening bit with Martha Vist. Also shoutouts to Michelle who is set up in the film such that we're meant to be unsure of her true motivations and then the movie doesn't actually inform us of her surface or genuine motivations until long after the point where knowledge of either of them would have dramatically informed her actions. Zoltan is a garbage, second-rate villain, and I get that his whole point is that he's a garbage, second-rate villain whose entire motivation is that he knows he's a garbage, second-rate villain and hates being a garbage, second-rate villain but that doesn't stop him from BEING a garbage, second-rate villain. I think there's supposed to be a little more to him, as seen in that one moment were he's crying over killing that one lady, or where he laments his garbage etc. nature and believes he can never be more, but for all his screen time he was given he wasn't really given much actual material to roll with except being angry and evil. I respect the VA for going all in, but there is only so much you can do with the material you're given. As for the rest of the cast? Most of them were flat but functional. Commander guy was cool, Sleeves lady was actually okay for what little she did, Michelle was interesting but back to front (again, put together wrong), Brick also turned out kind of cool, but Jona? I really feel like they should have actually done poo poo with him. And it's a little amazing to me they didn't when they had so much they could do with him. Jona is a kid who lost his family and home despite being heralded as some kind of "miraculous savior", he was dumped in the Titans Newtype labs, managed to escape with his friends, was recaptured, felt like/was betrayed by one or both of his oldest friends (again, unclear to me), escaped, hid his background, got into the military, was found by one of his friends who he thinks/did betray him, and is now on a desperate chase to find his other childhood friend who he may already know is functionally dead. Jona genuinely doesn't believe he has a home or a place to go back to, and he might actually be right. He's also intensely pessimistic about the state of the world, seeming to like nothing more than to leave the world behind at the end with Rita and Michelle. In some respects he's an inverse Banagher, a guy who doesn't seem to believe in the future, whose outlook isn't so far from Zoltan. Given all that how the hell did they make a character who was so boring? On Paper he should work, but they do so little with Jona it's kind of astounding. I actually really felt like the scenes in the climax with Jona hit the right emotional notes, in spite of how little they did with him. As for the Newtype stuff it, again, feels like they put it together wrong, or were maybe unsure of what they should be doing with it. It's kind of nifty they have people say "Okay, so we paid attention to previous Gundam shows and we know Newtypes can do this and that probably means all these things in practical terms", and it's setting appropriate that everyone should look at high newtype wizardry as this incredibly scary bullshit which they both desire and fear. It's also setting appropriate for people to dwell on that tragedy of newtypes and how they're seen only terms of their physically apparent supernatural qualities and how they can be used as weapons. Mineva saying "we need to close the door of newtypes because that tech arrived too soon" is hinting at a way more interesting story than what we got here, doubly so because it's her and Banagher and Zinnerman working to do that after pushing for the opposite. I actually sort of dig the idea that the Phenex came back to protect the world from Psychoshard technology, and I also really liked the one shot of Banagher being framed as "The Unicorn who stayed behind". The recent push towards a more Supernatural feel to certain Mobile Suits and events is not something I necessarily oppose, but Narrative didn't work more than it did. On the whole it felt a little like CCA but without some necessary central focus. CCA is also edited really weirdly and jumps around a lot, but the film is grounded by the three major leads who are all already established characters, and the new people are given plenty of time to flesh out. No matter how much you hate Quess and Hathaway they still got plenty of characterization in the CCA, and I'd argue they got more than the Miracle Children did. There are a couple of tiny things I liked. I rather enjoyed that the whole conflict is basically a tiny thing between two ships, and that both sides generally did want to avoid things like civilian casualties or needless destruction. There were a couple of scenes and bits I honestly felt were really good both in characters and as setting details. The OST was nice. When the film was on it was definitely on, but there was a lot of dead air.
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Narrative was bad, but it was extremely similar to Unicorn in that regard. It was like Unicorn without any of the high points.
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jackhunter64 posted:narrative.png Some pilot felt so threatened by a man with a gun that he just flattens him
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Omnicrom posted:*snip* To explain the muddledness about the main trio: It's a combination of it being supremely badly presented and some of it requiring you to have information from other material to make sense(good writing!). Major Narrative plot spoilers: Rita's newtype powers predicted the Operation British colony drop before it happened and she showed it to Jona and Michele first. They were able to warn others and save a town(presumably by evacuation), becoming the "Miracle Children" because of it, but their parents were still killed in the general upheaval of the OYW. They spend some time in an orphanage being kids, then as the Titans came to power their status as the Miracle Children causes them to get scooped up by the Murasame Labs for newtype research. As the Murasame Labs are not a super fun place to be and the attrition rate for lab rats there is pretty bad, the kids come to believe that they're hosed if they stay and manage to break out but are caught again. The lab director is desperate to discover a real newtype in order to figure out how to mass produce them, but also has to deal with Luio & Co.(one of their sponsors) demanding a newtype be turned over to them for...reasons. The lab director wants to keep the genuine article and give Luio & Co. one of the fakes, but they're not sure which of the Miracle Children is the genuine article, so he decides to spread a rumor that the genuine newtype will be saved and the non-genuine newtypes will be dissected. Michele overhears this and figures that they're hosed unless she does something, because Rita would never sacrifice others to save herself(and thus would never come forward). She convinces Jona to join her in testifying that Rita is the real Miracle Child to the Titans. She then convinces the Titans that she can be the fake they foist off on Luio & Co. - it can't be Jona, because he would spill the beans to try to save Rita. This leads to the Titans keeping Rita(and cutting her up to try to figure out what makes a Newtype tick) and Jona, while Michele goes with Luio & Co. and is eventually adopted by the Luio family. Michele naturally has some survivor's guilt about this and swears to try to help the other two out later. The Titans are defeated. Rita is still MIA and Jona is let loose from Murasame Labs. Jona joins the Federation military to try to find out what happened to Rita. Several years pass. At some point, Rita was chosen as the pilot of the Phenex, the third unit in the Unicorn series. During a routine deployment of the Phenex against some Neo Zeon remnants, a psycoframe resonance happens, Rita goes crazy, and the Phenex disappears, leading to the Phoenix Hunt task force that we see in Narrative. Michele, now an important member of Luio & Co., uses her adoptive family's influence to acquire the Narrative, recruit Jona to pilot it, and attach themselves to the Phoenix Hunt task force. Jona is running off a desire to find Rita and Michele is running off a massive pile of guilt for inadvertently selling out Rita. Cue the movie. Given all this, like I said in my earlier post, Michele would have made a lot more sense as the protagonist and the movie would lose almost nothing if Jona didn't exist and his role was filled by Michele. She's the active agent in the trio, the one who made stuff happen, and the one who ultimately has the reason to feel desperate amounts of survivor's guilt. Jona's role in the plot is to be a loving potato who passively reacts to everything around him instead of ever having agency - the closest thing to him actually making a decision or acting on his own is the first fight with the Narrative where he disobeys orders before that's immediately dropped.
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Kanos posted:"A sufficiently active newtype can continue existing indefinitely beyond death(lol) 0079, Zeta, ZZ & Char's Counterattack already heavily imply that. Their implication is ambiguous, but was pretty explicit with things like Zeta having Char talking about how he couldn't stay out at the asteroid belt and had to move back to the Earthsphere because he could no longer feel Lalah's ghost out beyond the Earthsphere, while Amuro talks about being afraid to go to space because he doesn't want to confront her ghost, while Char's Counterattack has Amuro mention recurring dreams of Lalah that he's actively annoyed by and where she says things that he disagrees with; implying it's not just a random dream of her and is instead her actual ghost.
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tsob posted:0079, Zeta, ZZ & Char's Counterattack already heavily imply that. Their implication is ambiguous, but was pretty explicit with things like Zeta having Char talking about how he couldn't stay out at the asteroid belt and had to move back to the Earthsphere because he could no longer feel Lalah's ghost out beyond the Earthsphere, while Amuro talks about being afraid to go to space because he doesn't want to confront her ghost, while Char's Counterattack has Amuro mention recurring dreams of Lalah that he's actively annoyed by and where she says things that he disagrees with; implying it's not just a random dream of her and is instead her actual ghost. There's a pretty strong difference between the dream-like Star Wars-style force ghost newtypes that speak to the protagonists and show up to aid them in extremis we see in earlier works and what I'm talking about in Narrative, where a newtype dies and is a fully functional physical actor that still controls a mobile suit at full capacity unassisted a year after her death, to the point where the people chasing said mobile suit want to capture it to see if they can distill the secret to eternal life. Kind of like the difference between a beam rifle and a colony laser there. Kanos fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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Another major difference is that the thing you complained about initially (Newtypes existing indefinitely after death) isn't the thing you complained about there (Newtypes continuing to interact with and affect the living after death). It may have been your intention, but it's not what I got from reading your post regardless. It's also not something that I think is particularly egregious, either as a technological development given the power curve psycommu systems went on from 0079 to Char's Counterattack, that continuining advancements would be capable of harnessing a Newtype's spirit after death, or narratively (lol), given that Newtypes being tortured and used as a weapon even after death fits perfectly in to UC. So much so, manga and other supplementary material have been doing stories about similar things for years, like Blue Destiny and I'm pretty sure at least one other side-story thing I can't recall off-hand.
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tsob posted:Another major difference is that the thing you complained about initially (Newtypes existing indefinitely after death) isn't the thing you complained about there (Newtypes continuing to interact with and affect the living after death). It may have been your intention, but it's not what I got from reading your post regardless. It's also not something that I think is particularly egregious, either as a technological development given the power curve psycommu systems went on from 0079 to Char's Counterattack, that continuining advancements would be capable of harnessing a Newtype's spirit after death, or narratively (lol), given that Newtypes being tortured and used as a weapon even after death fits perfectly in to UC. So much so, manga and other supplementary material have been doing stories about similar things for years, like Blue Destiny and I'm pretty sure at least one other side-story thing I can't recall off-hand. The ending to Blue Destiny in the games has Marion waking up after the EXAM units are destroyed. She's not dead.
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Okay. I still find using ghosts of the dead as a power source technologically and narratively in keeping with UC regardless of whether Blue Destiny walked it back in the end. Especially since "psycommu using the power of the dead as a power source" has been a thing since Zeta, now that I think of it in those terms.
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