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| R. Allin-Khan |
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80 | 21.33% |
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| P. Flaps |
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177 | 47.20% |
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I swear if I'm ever within ten feet of Boris I'm going to make a heroic attempt to hit him so hard it reveals his comb over to the world.
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I've had a clear-as-day vision of the next Tory party political broadcast, and it goes "granny died because Labour spent all the money so we had to cut the NHS as well as all civil authorities that might have been of help in this epidemic".
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Mar 14, 2020 23:49
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Gonzo McFee posted:I swear if I'm ever within ten feet of Boris I'm going to make a heroic attempt to hit him so hard it reveals his comb over to the world. If rumours are true Carrie Symonds beat you to it over the Christmas break, hence his non-appearance in public.
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Mar 14, 2020 23:50
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No More Toast posted:Not sure if it's paranoia talking, but it feels like I might be developing a fever. Also it looks like thermometers have gone the same way as loo rolls, as I can't find any that will arrive quickly online anywhere. I'm already coughing so seems like it'll be full steam ahead on the self-isolation train! Cannot wait to slowly go insane in my tiny flat. Thousands? Sadly not. Even conservative estimates of a 1.2% death rate put that at 850 thousand, the more reasonable assessment (that china is fudging the figures to avoid a panic in china) put it at 3.4% which is 2.4 million. Basically. We're hosed. The only upside is this might make people understand that cutting everything to the fuckin' chine just because it's working at this second in perfect conditions leads to an unstable system where the smallest problem results in the entire thing collapsing. Might result in people re-assessing if they really want to pay 2% less tax in order to have their parents and grandparents die of preventable lung complications.
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Mar 14, 2020 23:51
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No More Toast posted:When this first started feeling serious I thought Boris & Co would be able to swing this to their advantage. As each day goes by this seems less and less likely but even if this somehow does tank the Tories I'd rather it also didn't result in thousands of people dying needlessly. They're absolutely going to come out of this saying that EU regulations slowed down our response but since we've TAKEN BACK CONTROL it definitely won't happen again in future also no we need to leave all these infringements on civil liberties in place and people will still loving vote for them because they're terrified their house prices will go down.
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Mar 14, 2020 23:51
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No More Toast posted:Not sure if it's paranoia talking, but it feels like I might be developing a fever. Also it looks like thermometers have gone the same way as loo rolls, as I can't find any that will arrive quickly online anywhere. I'm already coughing so seems like it'll be full steam ahead on the self-isolation train! Cannot wait to slowly go insane in my tiny flat. Buy a vets thermometer. e: or go to a doctor I guess but something like this will be in stock and arrive quickly sebzilla fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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Mar 14, 2020 23:52
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Danger - Octopus! posted:They're absolutely going to come out of this saying that EU regulations slowed down our response but since we've TAKEN BACK CONTROL it definitely won't happen again in future also no we need to leave all these infringements on civil liberties in place and people will still loving vote for them because they're terrified their house prices will go down. Pretty much this, "Houses as an investment" was the greatest golden handcuff the world has ever known. Keep voting tory for life now you're a homeowner or corbynistas will break into your estate agent and take a 0 off the end of all the listings!!!!
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Mar 14, 2020 23:53
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goddamnedtwisto posted:If rumours are true Carrie Symonds beat you to it over the Christmas break, hence his non-appearance in public.
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Mar 14, 2020 23:54
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OwlFancier posted:I got mine from Scan.co.uk and it's been rock solid, they probably have off the shelf models if you want them but it did take a little while for them to build mine. I've bought two of my pre-constructed PCs from PC specialist; I like them because you can open them up and add things without voiding the warranty on the machine as a whole.
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Mar 14, 2020 23:55
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Drone_Fragger posted:Thousands? Sadly not. Even conservative estimates of a 1.2% death rate put that at 850 thousand, the more reasonable assessment (that china is fudging the figures to avoid a panic in china) put it at 3.4% which is 2.4 million. Basically. We're hosed. About 14% of people who show symptoms need supplemental oxygen, and 6% need emergency ventilation assistance. If the NHS is overburdened than this ~20% of the people who get the disease and show symptoms don't get medical assistance then many, even most, if them will die.
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Mar 14, 2020 23:56
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jabby posted:Journalists are also not helping by repeating essentially government propaganda. Like this:
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Mar 14, 2020 23:57
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Gonna start ramping up my efforts to stockpile stuff, food, water, medicine etc, Society is going to change and not for the better
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Mar 14, 2020 23:59
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sebzilla posted:Buy a vets thermometer Every vet I've seen just uses those Braun in-ear thermometers. Point one of these at your forehead and add 1 degree to it if you're feeling panicky - not quite as accurate but good enough for "fever yes/no".
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Mar 15, 2020 00:00
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Drone_Fragger posted:Thousands? Sadly not. Even conservative estimates of a 1.2% death rate put that at 850 thousand, the more reasonable assessment (that china is fudging the figures to avoid a panic in china) put it at 3.4% which is 2.4 million. Basically. We're hosed. Nitrousoxide posted:About 14% of people who show symptoms need supplemental oxygen, and 6% need emergency ventilation assistance. If the NHS is overburdened than this ~20% of the people who get the disease and show symptoms don't get medical assistance then many, even most, if them will die. Don't just hammer population numbers and death rates into a calculator, that's misleading. Taking the age determined CFRs from various places and a uniform 60% infection rate death toll is between 400,000 and 800,000. That's appalling but things have to go worse than Italy and China to start getting into the millions.
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Mar 15, 2020 00:03
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namesake posted:Don't just hammer population numbers and death rates into a calculator, that's misleading. Taking the age determined CFRs from various places and a uniform 60% infection rate death toll is between 400,000 and 800,000. That's appalling but things have to go worse than Italy and China to start getting into the millions.
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Mar 15, 2020 00:04
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:and yet not hard enough to get any point across, what was the reason in the rumour anyway i've heard the black eye rumour a few times Version I've heard is that he was dragging his feet over the decree absolute with Marina Wheeler having promised he'd marry Symonds once the divorce was sorted. They'd been seeing each other certainly since the divorce started, and almost certainly before that. I mean it's probably all bollocks but there's sure as hell nothing about his character to disprove it.
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Mar 15, 2020 00:05
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:the naivety is a CFR is dependent on medical care being possible to everyone - that stops being possible as of next monday for the UK Er I'm pretty Italy healthcare system is hardly functioning smoothly and that's including their CFRs.
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Mar 15, 2020 00:05
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Italy's CFR is approaching 7% right?
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Mar 15, 2020 00:07
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namesake posted:Er I'm pretty Italy healthcare system is hardly functioning smoothly and that's including their CFRs. quote:Considering that the number of available beds in intensive care units in Italy is close to 5200, and assuming that half of these beds can be used for patients with COVID-19, the system will be at maximum capacity, according to this prediction, by March 14, 2020.
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Mar 15, 2020 00:07
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Nitrousoxide posted:So I just heard the UK is trying to speedrun the coronavirus??? i see you are not acquainted with the infinite brain power of prime minister johnson and actual prime minister dominic cummings it's interesting though that it's more difficult than usual to apply hanlon's razor to this, since johnson & cummings are both very evil and very, very stupid
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Mar 15, 2020 00:09
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So, when do you think they will start closing big public places like museums and stuff?
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Mar 15, 2020 00:15
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Josef bugman posted:So, when do you think they will start closing big public places like museums and stuff? 2010
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Mar 15, 2020 00:23
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:it's just hit the limit on ICUs and is due to skyrocket as per this lancet discussion: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30627-9/fulltext Okay that's interesting but it's calculating projected numbers of cases against total beds in Italy. Reports from Lombardy are suggesting the local system is in meltdown and causing highly focused stress on the performance in those areas so that's not necessarily saying they've been coping up to this point and are only now hitting the limit of their abilities.
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Mar 15, 2020 00:25
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Josef bugman posted:So, when do you think they will start closing big public places like museums and stuff? The peston article suggested mass gatherings would be banned in the next 5-25 days, I would expect sooner than later the way it's going.
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Mar 15, 2020 00:29
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OwlFancier posted:I got mine from Scan.co.uk and it's been rock solid, they probably have off the shelf models if you want them but it did take a little while for them to build mine. That looks like a good site, thanks. Anyone got an opinion on this one? https://www.scan.co.uk/products/scan-gamer-intel-core-i7-8700-coffee-lake-8gb-ddr4-6gb-evga-gtx-1660-ti-240gb-1tb-win-10 Seems like a decently powerful system that won’t break the bank. I’m going to be buying the new consoles when (if?) they come out later this year so they’ll be my big fancy graphics powerhouses for now. I’m not being gouged with this one, am I?
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Mar 15, 2020 00:29
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Jose posted:So jabby and I don't mean this as an insult maybe it's just the difference between reading posting and living with a doctor but my sister works in a hospital currently in intensive care so how likely is she to get it and me from her because she equally isn't too fussed right now but that might be because she is expecting to get it No idea how I might have taken this question as an insult, I'm so confused. The answer is nobody can put a figure on how likely, but her risk is higher than the population average. She might be clad in the best PPE, but all healthcare staff are going to be working in close proximity to Covid-19 patients soon and ITU staff do very high-risk procedures that generate a lot of aerosolised virus. She's probably not too fussed because a) the death rate in people under 50 with no comorbidities is extremely low, so she knows she'd almost certainly be fine, and b) for most doctors two weeks off work with a virus is the stuff of dreams. And also c) we're very good at downplaying our own stress responses.
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Mar 15, 2020 00:30
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The bloke's delivery of his first line had me ready to run for the bottom plat-form 
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Mar 15, 2020 00:33
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I think I might have broken something cos I've been awake like... 26-ish hours I think and I'm not feeling tired yet :/
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Mar 15, 2020 00:33
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sebzilla posted:Buy a vets thermometer. goddamnedtwisto posted:Every vet I've seen just uses those Braun in-ear thermometers. Point one of these at your forehead and add 1 degree to it if you're feeling panicky - not quite as accurate but good enough for "fever yes/no". Thanks for the thermometer advice! I didn't go for either of these but the outside the box thinking made me realise that some first aid kits will come with thermometers, so I ordered one of them. I'm not particularly worried about my health at the moment as I'm not in a high-risk group and my health is (generally) pretty good. I am definitely ill with something but it's mild, the coughing is manageable and it's probably more likely to be some sort of seasonal affliction. It's the sort of thing I would usually take some lemsip tablets for and muddle through. Part of me thinks that self-isolating is being too cautious, but I'm privileged enough that it won't affect the pay from my job so I'm going to have a quick chat with some friends that work in healthcare and do what's necessary. To be honest if I do have a fever it'll probably make explaining this to work easier and will make me feel less like I'm overreacting but if I don't that's a positive sign so either outcome isn't bad!
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Mar 15, 2020 00:35
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:it's just hit the limit on ICUs and is due to skyrocket as per this lancet discussion: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30627-9/fulltext They're already reporting 40% mortality in the over-80s and 30% in the 70s likely from rationing of ventilators to the younger population. Those rates aren't likely to change but there will be an uptick in mortality for the over 60s. They're probably going to keep reducing the age cutoff until they cope or the only criteria for a ventilator is age under 40 without co-morbidities.
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Mar 15, 2020 00:35
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aox7CeOdmOY My son linked that to me, I had never heard of him before.
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Mar 15, 2020 00:36
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OwlFancier posted:I want to cut the pensions budget, but the pensions budget is what votes for me...
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Mar 15, 2020 00:37
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Fumble posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aox7CeOdmOY Sever ties with your son.
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Mar 15, 2020 00:37
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Josef bugman posted:Is that an Opium reference? Of course, Britain did not have a clever operator, we had Henry John "I know how the Chinaman thinks, I went to Turkey once" Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston. The other interesting thing is that neither prohibition nor Britain's enforced high speed legalization changed prices or consumption much, and China's silver deficit was more to do with pissing it away on their terrible military/vanity programs than the convenient to blame foreign drug men. The more things change... Ash Crimson posted:Gonna start ramping up my efforts to stockpile stuff, food, water, medicine etc, Society is going to change and not for the better Nitrousoxide posted:About 14% of people who show symptoms need supplemental oxygen, and 6% need emergency ventilation assistance. If the NHS is overburdened than this ~20% of the people who get the disease and show symptoms don't get medical assistance then many, even most, if them will die. Angepain posted:2010
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Mar 15, 2020 00:39
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Fumble posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aox7CeOdmOY Pie is a bit poo poo, he's got a real FREE SPEECH FOR BIGOTS, CAN'T SAY ANYTHING THESE DAYS line to his comedy so while he's got some good bits I wouldn't universally recommend him as a 'thing'.
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Mar 15, 2020 00:39
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namesake posted:Okay that's interesting but it's calculating projected numbers of cases against total beds in Italy. Reports from Lombardy are suggesting the local system is in meltdown and causing highly focused stress on the performance in those areas so that's not necessarily saying they've been coping up to this point and are only now hitting the limit of their abilities. i figure it's worth knowing the situation we'll be in by next week and that the lack of top-down social distancing solutions have on murdering hundreds of thousands of people. italy is a catastrophic test-bed and we need to learn from their actions yesterday
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Mar 15, 2020 00:40
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namesake posted:Pie is a bit poo poo, he's got a real FREE SPEECH FOR BIGOTS, CAN'T SAY ANYTHING THESE DAYS line to his comedy so while he's got some good bits I wouldn't universally recommend him as a 'thing'.
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Mar 15, 2020 00:41
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It's rational to stockpile when the advice being given is to self-isolate for 7-14 days, how else are you going to make sure you survive?
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Mar 15, 2020 00:42
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:agreed entirely: the infection rates are focused on Lombardy. they're already ›200% capacity Except our cases are (for now) more geographically dispersed. The NHS will be hit hard but each part of it will be hit less hard than Lombardy, we'll have more of our capacity able to contribute. Obviously we need to do things to not become Italy but it's not a like for like comparison. Guavanaut posted:He's also the 'comedy' arm of the RCP. That's unhelpfully conspiratorial, having a Spiked! writer doing the scripts is bad enough without invoking the red scare of a defunct radical group.
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So if this outbreak continues for months (and the science is pointing to that.) Then the Brexit negotiations are going to be on hold, right? Because trying to do all the stuff involved in negotiations isn't possible when people are isolating or stuck in hospitals. And that 31st of December deadline can't be extended because Boris put in place legislation saying it couldn't be extended, right? Almost as if that was an act of extreme 'ubris* which never accounted for acts of God and has come back to bite him in the arse. *= It's Greek for Hubris. And a million nerds points if you can get that reference.
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