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Who is your first pick in the deputy leadership race?
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R. Allin-Khan 6 1.60%
R. Burgon 80 21.33%
D. Butler 72 19.20%
A. Rayner 35 9.33%
I. Murray 5 1.33%
P. Flaps 177 47.20%
Total: 375 votes
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Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Guavanaut posted:

Of course, Britain did not have a clever operator, we had Henry John "I know how the Chinaman thinks, I went to Turkey once" Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston.

As I have said before in this thread, gently caress Palmerston. Turbo-Racist sack of poo poo.

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Fumble
Sep 4, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 17 days!

Gonzo McFee posted:

Sever ties with your son.

I don't think he is that deep. Wouldn't have been any different that that angry dude that shouts in his car with a news paper. He voted for Corbin and spent today trying to convince his grandparents to stop going out.

hemale in pain
Jun 5, 2010




i'm worried because all the clubs and pubs are still open. at least put a curfew on that poo poo to stop people from getting wasted and staying out till 2 am. the idea of going clubbing to me at this moment in history is insane :aaaaa:

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1238973406894346240
Are they seriously saying here that factories making, I dunno, baby bottles and KitKats are expected to "transform their production lines" into making loving ventilators?

Do they know what a ventilator is, or how they work? Is this even remotely possible because it sounds insane.

Actually, it sounds like a blatant appeal to gammons with rhetoric akin to melting down saucepans to make spitfires, even though with today's highly specialised production lines it's totally obviously impossible.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1238970249254506496?s=21

I... huh? The gently caress are they doing? That's the Health Secretary and Chief Scientific Advisor offering completely different pictures of the government's objectives.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

namesake posted:

That's unhelpfully conspiratorial, having a Spiked! writer doing the scripts is bad enough without invoking the red scare of a defunct radical group.
They're not really defunct though, they just went turbolibertarian for some reason. Probably because Trots are terminal fart-huffers and also a bunch of Saatchi & Saatchi/ASI/Koch money.

The RCP/LM/Spiked!/Institute of Bad Ideas/Moral Maze group still all forms a network centered around Frank and Ann.

jabby posted:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1238973406894346240
Are they seriously saying here that factories making, I dunno, baby bottles and KitKats are expected to "transform their production lines" into making loving ventilators?

Do they know what a ventilator is, or how they work? Is this even remotely possible because it sounds insane.

Actually, it sounds like a blatant appeal to gammons with rhetoric akin to melting down saucepans to make spitfires, even though with today's highly specialised production lines it's totally obviously impossible.
Sounds like the sort of thing that China might be able to do. Shame that central planning has been anathema to Britain for 40 years.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

The Question IRL posted:

And that 31st of December deadline can't be extended because Boris put in place legislation saying it couldn't be extended, right?
Almost as if that was an act of extreme 'ubris* which never accounted for acts of God and has come back to bite him in the arse.

at least the virus gives Boris an excuse to repeal that legislation without losing face. he might still be up his own arse enough to just carry on regardless, admittedly. who can tell at this point

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost

The Question IRL posted:

So if this outbreak continues for months (and the science is pointing to that.) Then the Brexit negotiations are going to be on hold, right?

what does your heart tell you

alternative answer: hahahahaha

e: what i mean is - how do you put that poo poo "on hold", what will happen is, no negotiations, but the cliff edge (for real this time) will keep steadily approaching, because see below

The Question IRL posted:

And that 31st of December deadline can't be extended because Boris put in place legislation saying it couldn't be extended, right?

yes, and also extending it further than whatwasit one year (?) max, one time max, would require changing a bunch of international treaties and whatever the gently caress, so,

covid19 might in fact be making no-deal brexit more likely. neither eu nor uk will have any bandwidth at all to try to, well, anything

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Guavanaut posted:

They're not really defunct though, they just went turbolibertarian for some reason. Probably because Trots are terminal fart-huffers and also a bunch of Saatchi & Saatchi/ASI/Koch money.

The RCP/LM/Spiked!/Institute of Bad Ideas/Moral Maze group still all forms a network centered around Frank and Ann.

Yeah but if they've abandoned the politics and the name and the old organisational structures then you're just left with poo poo people doing poo poo things now, there's no need to invoke history to that degree.

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



namesake posted:

Except our cases are (for now) more geographically dispersed. The NHS will be hit hard but each part of it will be hit less hard than Lombardy, we'll have more of our capacity able to contribute. Obviously we need to do things to not become Italy but it's not a like for like comparison.
and every nhs trust doesn't have the same relative amount of resources. by next monday we'll be feeling the strain and have to make rough choices - field hospitals or not. we have a personnel limit and they are due to get sick and have to treat their own in the immediate future

pandemics suck and solutions require immediate early action, not considering a bill to pass within normal operation hours

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Fumble posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aox7CeOdmOY

My son linked that to me, I had never heard of him before.

Both my parents died at this hospital but this video is now my worst memory of the place.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

namesake posted:

Yeah but if they've abandoned the politics and the name and the old organisational structures then you're just left with poo poo people doing poo poo things now, there's no need to invoke history to that degree.
I think perhaps the relevant reason was that they all suddenly became very interested in freedom of speech (but only for lovely contrarian issues) right around the moment that LM got libel suited into the ground over genocide denial. It's worth reminding people of that (and hilarious that they scrub you from the Spiked! comments for mentioning it, so much for the tolerant libertarians).

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1238917834111156231?s=1

We'Re NoT sTeNoGrApHeRs.

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

jabby posted:

Journalists are also not helping by repeating essentially government propaganda. Like this:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1238882397124526080

This was shown on Newsnight with the green line representing the government's approach, and the blue line the potential consequences of the approach all other countries are taking. Where does it come from you ask?

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1238882902580092935

Eagle eyed viewers may note that in the original paper the green line actually represents "social distancing in place THROUGHOUT the epidemic" while the blue line is more stringent measures initially that are then lifted.

No line is drawn for the government's actual approach, which is no social distancing measures initially and then when they are introduced they remain for a limited time. Possibly because it's the worst of both the blue and red lines. But no, we are (according to journalists) the green line.

EDIT: Also important to note there are no numbers on the graph, because as the example from the US earlier shows as soon as you start using numbers it might become obvious that you'd have to spread the outbreak over an entire decade to prevent the health service collapsing. And we can't tell people that.

If you showed me this 3 years ago I wouldn’t have believed you, but now I expect it from the bbc

jabby
Oct 27, 2010


Best part is when he quotes a "senior government source" saying "the perception that ministers are reluctant to make difficult and costly decisions to battle the virus is wrong".

Senior government source backs government approach, says government not incompetent. Read all about it.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/ChuckTingle/status/1238868355664076801

Chuck Tingle has now done more to save lives in this epidemic than Boris Johnson.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
really disappointed the cover image doesn't have the dinosaur safely behind a window tbh. this is the biggest scandal of the day.

Fumble
Sep 4, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 17 days!

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Both my parents died at this hospital but this video is now my worst memory of the place.

Like really? should I be worried?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/gavinbarwell/status/1238967840478310400?s=21

That's Theresa May's chief of staff taking a swing at the government.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Darth Walrus posted:

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1238970249254506496?s=21

I... huh? The gently caress are they doing? That's the Health Secretary and Chief Scientific Advisor offering completely different pictures of the government's objectives.

Some of them are obviously getting a bit panicky about being part of a government who's policy is the death of a million of its own people

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Fumble posted:

Like really? should I be worried?

Nah, Pie's a bit of a lib wanker with some regrettable associations, I just saw the opportunity to incontrovertibly win the usual goon performative outrage whenever he gets posted.

You should be worried if you ever go into the Royal London though - not because the care is bad, but the lifts are loving terrible. I have to wonder how many community-acquired infections are caused just by dozens of people having to cram into the too-small lift lobbies waiting ten minutes for the very clever two-cars-per-shaft software to deign to send a lift to them (and then how many more are caused by the really unclear way it assigns them, leading to people having to go back to the ground and start again)

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

TheRat posted:

Some of them are obviously getting a bit panicky about being part of a government who's policy is the death of a million of its own people

Hancock is the Health Secretary. He sets the loving policy. I think it's probably more likely that there is no grand, brutal calculation and they just do not know what the gently caress they're doing.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Darth Walrus posted:

Hancock is the Health Secretary. He sets the loving policy. I think it's probably more likely that there is no grand, brutal calculation and they just do not know what the gently caress they're doing.

Hancock does what Cummings says he's allowed to do, don't you think?

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Nah, Pie's a bit of a lib wanker with some regrettable associations

He's more than a bit. He had a full meltdown when count dankula was done for being a nazi.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
everybody stay strong and safe. do what you can, don't do what you can't. ultimately the responsibility does not rest on you to fix the coronavirus, but on the government that caused whatever madness is to come. take care of yourselves for the majority of the country that comes out the other side of this will need to be strong so we can personally break into boris johnson's house and throw eggs at him until he runs away. then i will be queen. yes i have thought this through why do you ask

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

goddamnedtwisto posted:

You should be worried if you ever go into the Royal London though - not because the care is bad, but the lifts are loving terrible. I have to wonder how many community-acquired infections are caused just by dozens of people having to cram into the too-small lift lobbies waiting ten minutes for the very clever two-cars-per-shaft software to deign to send a lift to them (and then how many more are caused by the really unclear way it assigns them, leading to people having to go back to the ground and start again)

are those the lifts where you have to press what floor you're going to outside of the lifts and then get the lift that is for that floor, not necessarily the first lift which might be a lift for someone else, then walk in and not press anything because there's no numbers inside because the numbers are outside? they had those at the death star hospital in glasgow and everybody riding them was incredibly confused all the time because they were expecting the lifts to work like every single other lift in the world works. as someone incapable of speech at the time due to a throat infection (fun) it was a great old time. nice lesson in "maybe if you're designing something to work differently don't make it look strangely like the thing that doesn't work like that that absolutely everyone is familiar with"

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

TheRat posted:

Hancock does what Cummings says he's allowed to do, don't you think?

This and the new talking about closing schools says 'cabinet civil war' to me.

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy
:holymoley:

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Both my parents died at this hospital but this video is now my worst memory of the place.
Huge slam on Jonathan Pedophile Information Exchange out of somewhere :v:

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Not-coronavirus chat:

I watch freesat (nb. NOT FREEVIEW they are different and where I live there are only about 5 channels on freeview).
However, my humax box died the night before I left my old flat. After failed attempts to get a new humax box, I discovered that humax pulled out of freesat in October and all that is available is boxes for around £200.

I have got a Sky HD box and get quite a lot of the freesat channels, but not all. Also, despite it having an ethernet port, I can't connect to the internet and watch catch up via it.

My mother has a Sky HD box and gets more free channels. (When my dad was alive they used to pay for sky, but after he died she didn't want to pay for it anymore - she basically listens to the Archers and watches BBC News obsessively). Anyway, this means she watches free channels via a sky box with the old viewing card in it.

Sometimes I find a channel on my skyhd box and it says 'insert viewing card'. So can I buy a viewing card and see extra free channels? (Not interested in a sky subscription).

Or, can anyone recommend a smart tv for no more than about £150. I'm absolutely not bothered about HD (I can't tell the difference between SD and HD) though I suppose that is standard these days. I do want to be able to connect my internet up to it and watch catch ups!

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
They sell them on eBay from respectable sellers, not even the "g3nuine Dragon MAX see every channel hax" types.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Angepain posted:

are those the lifts where you have to press what floor you're going to outside of the lifts and then get the lift that is for that floor, not necessarily the first lift which might be a lift for someone else, then walk in and not press anything because there's no numbers inside because the numbers are outside? they had those at the death star hospital in glasgow and everybody riding them was incredibly confused all the time because they were expecting the lifts to work like every single other lift in the world works. as someone incapable of speech at the time due to a throat infection (fun) it was a great old time. nice lesson in "maybe if you're designing something to work differently don't make it look strangely like the thing that doesn't work like that that absolutely everyone is familiar with"

That's the ones. Also fun - on the 5th floor*, 20-odd people get into a lift, doors close, 5 seconds later the doors open and a different 20 people get off. I mean I see the point of the system, but in a building that by definition is going to have a lot of traffic from people who are older or just have much bigger things on their mind it's surely better to keep things as simple as possible.

* I suppose theoretically it could happen at any floor but the 5th has the restaurant and a couple of staff training rooms, so it has lots of traffic from all over the hospital rather than people just going back and forth from the ground so it was much more likely there

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I like paternosters. Bad system for a hospital but just in general. Up box. Down box. They used to have one at Leicester Uni.

I think there's still a working one somewhere in Czechia.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


The Question IRL posted:

So if this outbreak continues for months (and the science is pointing to that.) Then the Brexit negotiations are going to be on hold, right?
Because trying to do all the stuff involved in negotiations isn't possible when people are isolating or stuck in hospitals.

And that 31st of December deadline can't be extended because Boris put in place legislation saying it couldn't be extended, right?
Almost as if that was an act of extreme 'ubris* which never accounted for acts of God and has come back to bite him in the arse.


*= It's Greek for Hubris.
And a million nerds points if you can get that reference.

I think that the fact that the government is currently proving that they’re willing to literally sacrifice all their own voters’ lives in order to maintain economic and logistical stability suggests that they will probably plump for a soft Brexit.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Not-coronavirus chat:

I watch freesat (nb. NOT FREEVIEW they are different and where I live there are only about 5 channels on freeview).
However, my humax box died the night before I left my old flat. After failed attempts to get a new humax box, I discovered that humax pulled out of freesat in October and all that is available is boxes for around £200.

I have got a Sky HD box and get quite a lot of the freesat channels, but not all. Also, despite it having an ethernet port, I can't connect to the internet and watch catch up via it.

My mother has a Sky HD box and gets more free channels. (When my dad was alive they used to pay for sky, but after he died she didn't want to pay for it anymore - she basically listens to the Archers and watches BBC News obsessively). Anyway, this means she watches free channels via a sky box with the old viewing card in it.

Sometimes I find a channel on my skyhd box and it says 'insert viewing card'. So can I buy a viewing card and see extra free channels? (Not interested in a sky subscription).

Or, can anyone recommend a smart tv for no more than about £150. I'm absolutely not bothered about HD (I can't tell the difference between SD and HD) though I suppose that is standard these days. I do want to be able to connect my internet up to it and watch catch ups!

You need a Freesat viewing card to access the encrypted but free-to-air channels. You can buy one direct from Sky - https://www.sky.com/shop/freesat/home/ - or just pick one up off eBay (an expired Sky HD viewing card will also work but be careful buying them off eBay - Sky rolled out new viewing cards a few years ago because of a security issue so lots of them won't work)

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Comrade Fakename posted:

I think that the fact that the government is currently proving that they’re willing to literally sacrifice all their own voters’ lives in order to maintain economic and logistical stability suggests that they will probably plump for a soft Brexit.

yes but britain dying a bit less from coronavirus wouldn't irritate the French

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Not-coronavirus chat:

I watch freesat (nb. NOT FREEVIEW they are different and where I live there are only about 5 channels on freeview).
However, my humax box died the night before I left my old flat. After failed attempts to get a new humax box, I discovered that humax pulled out of freesat in October and all that is available is boxes for around £200.

I have got a Sky HD box and get quite a lot of the freesat channels, but not all. Also, despite it having an ethernet port, I can't connect to the internet and watch catch up via it.

My mother has a Sky HD box and gets more free channels. (When my dad was alive they used to pay for sky, but after he died she didn't want to pay for it anymore - she basically listens to the Archers and watches BBC News obsessively). Anyway, this means she watches free channels via a sky box with the old viewing card in it.

Sometimes I find a channel on my skyhd box and it says 'insert viewing card'. So can I buy a viewing card and see extra free channels? (Not interested in a sky subscription).

Or, can anyone recommend a smart tv for no more than about £150. I'm absolutely not bothered about HD (I can't tell the difference between SD and HD) though I suppose that is standard these days. I do want to be able to connect my internet up to it and watch catch ups!

for my mum she bought just a generic hd tv (you can get them pretty cheap secondhand at like, british heart foundation or similar) and then bought a HDMI stick, specifically a kindle fire one. when you buy a specific smart tv you're bound to that (probably very cheap) hardware in there forever - a separate device lets you upgrade. checking around on hotukdeals i can see this one (https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/philips-32-32pht4203-hd-led-tv-139-delivered-at-electrical-experience-3421660) is about 140, but i'd still pitch a used one.

i bought my current one from my sister cause it had a dead pixel, but it goes away when it warms up.

she doesn't watch regular tv at all now, just netflix and amazon prime and various catchup services. she also doesn't have a tv licence anymore cause she realized this.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

goddamnedtwisto posted:

You need a Freesat viewing card to access the encrypted but free-to-air channels. You can buy one direct from Sky - https://www.sky.com/shop/freesat/home/ - or just pick one up off eBay (an expired Sky HD viewing card will also work but be careful buying them off eBay - Sky rolled out new viewing cards a few years ago because of a security issue so lots of them won't work)

Thanks for the advice about ebay! I've never used ebay because just about everyone I know who has used it has ended up being robbed at some point.

CoolCab posted:

for my mum she bought just a generic hd tv (you can get them pretty cheap secondhand at like, british heart foundation or similar) and then bought a HDMI stick, specifically a kindle fire one. when you buy a specific smart tv you're bound to that (probably very cheap) hardware in there forever - a separate device lets you upgrade. checking around on hotukdeals i can see this one (https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/philips-32-32pht4203-hd-led-tv-139-delivered-at-electrical-experience-3421660) is about 140, but i'd still pitch a used one.

i bought my current one from my sister cause it had a dead pixel, but it goes away when it warms up.

she doesn't watch regular tv at all now, just netflix and amazon prime and various catchup services. she also doesn't have a tv licence anymore cause she realized this.

Great thanks!

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Thanks for the advice about ebay! I've never used ebay because just about everyone I know who has used it has ended up being robbed at some point.

Ironically the only bad experience I've ever had with eBay was from a big company I've used multiple times before IRL (and in their defence they were *extremely* good about it). I basically treat it like the electronic car boot sale it is - it's fantastic for random old bits of camera gear, for example - but my main actual use for it is ordering stuff from Argos because Argos still don't seem to understand how to actually do ecommerce.

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost

Comrade Fakename posted:

I think that the fact that the government is currently proving that they’re willing to literally sacrifice all their own voters’ lives in order to maintain economic and logistical stability suggests that they will probably plump for a soft Brexit.

that sounds overly optimistic tbh, my reading is more that the govt is currently proving that they are the dumbest motherfuckers in the known universe and therefore will go for the dumbest brexit, which is no deal

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jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Ironically the only bad experience I've ever had with eBay was from a big company I've used multiple times before IRL (and in their defence they were *extremely* good about it). I basically treat it like the electronic car boot sale it is - it's fantastic for random old bits of camera gear, for example - but my main actual use for it is ordering stuff from Argos because Argos still don't seem to understand how to actually do ecommerce.

Hm, I thought the Argos web site isn't quite that bad? Haven't used it more than a couple times though

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