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Carillon posted:Also read the Cooking Gene! His projects are legit.
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here's Mark Twain's opinion on chicory coffee from Germany.Mark Twain posted:RECIPE FOR GERMAN COFFEE I like this stuff anyway. 
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Mar 7, 2020 07:52
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Everything Twain has written about Germany is fantastic.
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Mar 7, 2020 09:50
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Well poo poo, I want to hate the stuff as an adulterant, but, is chicory less caffeinated? Ever since I broke my dozen cup a day addiction I've been wary. If this stuff is like 2/3rd strength coffee I'm interested.
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Mar 7, 2020 10:19
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Modern Germany has plenty of Turks and other coffee loving immigrants but was it really this bad in the 19th century?
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By popular demand posted:Modern Germany has plenty of Turks and other coffee loving immigrants but was it really this bad in the 19th century? Part of it is just Twain's style of writing - lots of embellishment and overstatement when it comes to descriptive text and essays.
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Mar 7, 2020 11:12
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Mark Twain loving owns, one of the best authors the US has ever produced
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Mar 7, 2020 11:24
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while looking up the subject I found out that Prussia had something of a war on coffee drinking:http://www.web-books.com/Classics/ON/B0/B701/13MB701.html posted:Meanwhile coffee met with some opposition in Prussia and Hanover. Frederick the Great became annoyed when he saw how much money was paid to foreign coffee merchants for supplies of the green bean, and tried to restrict its use by making coffee a drink of the "quality". Soon all the German courts had their own coffee roasters, coffee pots, and coffee cups. Frederick the Great posted:It is disgusting to notice the increase in the quantity of coffee used by my subjects, and the amount of money that goes out of the country in consequence. Everybody is using coffee. If possible, this must be prevented. My people must drink beer. His Majesty was brought up on beer, and so were his ancestors, and his officers. Many battles have been fought and won by soldiers nourished on beer; and the King does not believe that coffee-drinking soldiers can be depended upon to endure hardship or to beat his enemies in case of the occurrence of another war.
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Mar 7, 2020 13:54
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Ole Freddo's brain would break if coffee stouts existed in his time.
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Randaconda posted:Mark Twain loving owns, one of the best authors the US has ever produced For real, the Hunter Thompson of the 19th century. And the German coffee thing is right on - even today, in a world with amazing coffee all over the place, Germans as a whole still prefer weakish drip coffee.
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Mar 7, 2020 16:00
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From my quick internet search it seems that coffee was always much more liked in Austria than the rest of Germany, Vienna in particular had many of the earliest coffeehouses. In which many socialists and anarchists met and debated revolution.
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Mar 7, 2020 16:57
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Suspect Bucket posted:Ole Freddo's brain would break if coffee stouts existed in his time. Funny, I had this ready to go for the AFP thread, but since it came up, I guess I can put it here, too...  Spotted at a local Food Lion; I loooove coffee stouts and want to try this for shits and giggles. But not at $10/4 pack.
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Mar 7, 2020 17:41
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Funny, I had this ready to go for the AFP thread, but since it came up, I guess I can put it here, too... Isn’t that closer to a bad frappe that gets you (kind of) buzzed than it is to a coffee stout?
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Mar 7, 2020 17:42
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Suspect Bucket posted:Ole Freddo's brain would break if coffee stouts existed in his time. I was looking up the Reinheitsgebot in relation to this and discovered Bavaria demanded the rest of Germany adopt it as a condition of joining the union
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Mar 7, 2020 17:45
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MisterOblivious posted:Well poo poo, I want to hate the stuff as an adulterant, but, is chicory less caffeinated? Chicory is free of caffeine. Edit: Apparently it's not recommended to consume a ton of chicory coffee if you have either ragweed or birch pollen allergies? my cat is norris fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Mar 7, 2020 |
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Mar 7, 2020 17:51
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Isn’t that closer to a bad frappe that gets you (kind of) buzzed than it is to a coffee stout? Yeah, Food & Wine actually gave it a semi-decent review; says it smells like Bailey's and it's basically a vanilla latte with malt liquor added. It's not even a beer, really. But it's a coffee flavored thing what might get me drunk so...  ? Like I said, I wanted to try it for the novelty, but at that price point I may as well just get a real coffee stout.
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MisterOblivious posted:Well poo poo, I want to hate the stuff as an adulterant, but, is chicory less caffeinated? 
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Hirayuki posted:Chicory itself has no caffeine, and this Café du Monde chicory-coffee mix comes in decaf. Go hog wild!
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By popular demand posted:while looking up the subject I found out that Prussia had something of a war on coffee drinking: There are actually a number of historical moral panics involving coffee that look more or less like every other moral panic. Thomas Szasz (in Ceremonial Chemistry) draws parallels between early campaigns against coffee consumption and Prohibition and the War on Drugs, for example. And as is typical in these cases, in addition to the moral and health arguments, Frederick's arguments against coffee had an economic component as well--he complained about all the money that was going to foreign coffee merchants instead of staying in the hands of good, moral Prussian merchants. The Ottoman Empire's experiments with coffee prohibition probably deserve mention here, but instead I'm going to go with dick jokes and mention the anonymous London publication The Women's Petition against Coffee:  ...which laments The Women's Petition Against Coffee posted:The fame in our Apprehensions can consist in nothing more than the brisk Activity of our men, who in former Ages were justly esteemed the Ablest Performers in Christendome; But to our unspeakable Grief, we find of late a very sensible Decay of that true Old English Vigor; our Gallants being every way so Frenchified, that they are become meer Cock-sparrows, fluttering things that come on Sa sa, with a world of Fury, but are not able to stand to it, and in the very first Charge fall down flat before us. Never did Men wear greater breeches, or carry less in them of any Mettle whatsoever. ...and so on.
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Mar 7, 2020 22:57
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A lit class I'm in had a serious debate about whether that petition was meant in earnest or if it was satirical. Apparently there's some debate. It's not really about coffee, either way.
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The important part is Frederick didn't ban coffee, just required you to get a license to roast and then only granted licenses to people with court connections so he could get a royal monopoly on it. He was a fan of coffee himself, and prefered to boil it up with champagne instead of water and drank it in old age with mustard and black pepper because he was a maniac.
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Mar 7, 2020 23:08
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RoboRodent posted:A lit class I'm in had a serious debate about whether that petition was meant in earnest or if it was satirical. Apparently there's some debate.
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chitoryu12 posted:The important part is Frederick didn't ban coffee, just required you to get a license to roast and then only granted licenses to people with court connections so he could get a royal monopoly on it. He was a fan of coffee himself, and prefered to boil it up with champagne instead of water and drank it in old age with mustard and black pepper because he was a maniac. I want to try that now
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SubG posted:Never did Men wear greater breeches, or carry less in them of any Mettle whatsoever. I love this sentence. 
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chitoryu12 posted:The important part is Frederick didn't ban coffee, just required you to get a license to roast and then only granted licenses to people with court connections so he could get a royal monopoly on it. He was a fan of coffee himself, and prefered to boil it up with champagne instead of water and drank it in old age with mustard and black pepper because he was a maniac. The Mercantilist thought that was very prominent in the 18th C. plays a big part here too I think. Importing more things than you exported was bad because it drained away your hard currency, and Prussia was a not a wealthy country. Having no colonies or American/Oriental trade itself, it had to import coffee and many of the exotic luxuries of the 18th C from it's European rivals. It was earlier in the century and in Saxony, but alot of the same pressures encouraged the development of the porcelain factories in Meissen so Saxony wouldn't have to import porcelain China from China and could make it and export it itself so that fancy folks could eat their dinner off of it.
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By popular demand posted:From my quick internet search it seems that coffee was always much more liked in Austria than the rest of Germany, Vienna in particular had many of the earliest coffeehouses. In which many socialists and anarchists met and debated revolution. Not really surprising, since European coffee culture started in Vienna (when the Ottomans had to leave a lot of stuff behind after their failed siege, including coffee).
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Yeah, Food & Wine actually gave it a semi-decent review; says it smells like Bailey's and it's basically a vanilla latte with malt liquor added. It's not even a beer, really. But it's a coffee flavored thing what might get me drunk so... In St Louis in the mid-90s mixing coffee and poo poo beer ("Stag" for preference) was called a "poor man's Guinness"
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Isn’t that closer to a bad frappe that gets you (kind of) buzzed than it is to a coffee stout? It tastes exactly like alcoholic Yoo-Hoo. It's better than it has any right to be, but still not great.
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MikeCrotch posted:You can get some kind of chicory coffee syrup from my local Tescos, I'll have to try it! Up til a few* years ago the coffee/chicory syrup everyone used here was Irel, but apparently it's gone now, so people have to use Camp instead when they want to make a traditional coffee cake. *could actually be literal decades since it was made, but everyone was still working their way through the bottles they bought in around 1976 so they've only just noticed. 
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Pookah posted:Up til a few* years ago the coffee/chicory syrup everyone used here was Irel, but apparently it's gone now, so people have to use Camp instead when they want to make a traditional coffee cake. ... can you mix a bit of this with some fizzy water and tell me if its delicious
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Mar 14, 2020 01:31
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augias posted:... can you mix a bit of this with some fizzy water and tell me if its delicious Unfortunately I don't have any , and with the whole 'avoid interacting with anyone, anywhere' advice we're getting here (Ireland) at the moment, I probably won't be able to get some for a while. I really want to try making a coffee cake too - haven't had any in years and its so drat good.
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Pookah posted:Unfortunately I don't have any , and with the whole 'avoid interacting with anyone, anywhere' advice we're getting here (Ireland) at the moment, I probably won't be able to get some for a while. I really want to try making a coffee cake too - haven't had any in years and its so drat good.
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Hirayuki posted:Could you post your favorite recipe? Coffee cakes in the U.S., at least, are (often) streusel-topped affairs for eating with coffee; they're not generally made with it. I have a fair amount of good old Rhode Island coffee syrup that I reckon would do the trick. I have to admit that I've never made one myself, but I'd 100% trust Darina Allen to produce a very reliable, classic version of an irish coffee cake: https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/foodanddrink/weekend-food-with-darina-allen-162492.html drat I really want one now 
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Pookah posted:I have to admit that I've never made one myself, but I'd 100% trust Darina Allen to produce a very reliable, classic version of an irish coffee cake: 
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Is Camp/Irel more like a flavoring syrup, or more like a baking extract? I don't know if I can get that here but we do have a bottle of Autocrat Coffee Syrup.
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Drink and Fight posted:Is Camp/Irel more like a flavoring syrup, or more like a baking extract? I don't know if I can get that here but we do have a bottle of Autocrat Coffee Syrup. It's made to be mixed into a drink, but apparently it's really good for baking because its concentrated, so you get a strong coffee flavour without having to add a lot of extra liquid. Back in the 50's when she owned a hotel, my grandmother used to make huge vats of 'coffee' by mixing irel with hot milk plus a can of evaporated milk and it was extremely popular with the guests. Most of the guests were British people getting a break from post-war rationing so milky coffee would presumably have been a very nice treat. Hirayuki posted:Thanks! All of the recipes on that page look really nice, actually.
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Who wants to make President Eisenhower's beef stew?quote:2 pounds beef round, cubed I actually did find information on wines served in the White House during his presidency. They included 1937 Chateau Coutet Barsac, 1952 Beaune Greves, and 1952 Pol Roger. chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Mar 15, 2020 |
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Mar 15, 2020 17:58
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Careful with that clove of garlic, we don't want to become papists.
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chitoryu12 posted:Who wants to make President Eisenhower's beef stew? With rutabaga, because the stores are out of potatoes. Edit: Oh, does it call for pearl onions? Gonna have to dice a big one; I'm not going to the store again.
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PYF Funny Pictures is having yet another thrilled-packed goon derail about which regional-style pizza is the best ( ), but this gem got posted that I thought history-lovin' food goons would find interesting.https://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2013/11/19/dave-berg-before-the-lighter-side-pizza-pie As someone born in '74, only 16 years after that got published (1958), it's wild to me that pizza was considered an inscrutable, foreign food fad so recently. Enough so that it was subject to mockery in Mad Magazine! I really had no idea it was such a recent addition to American food culture. I grew up having birthday parties at Pizza Hut, and every mall had a pizza place. I mean, I guess I've seen that with sushi in my lifetime; what was once considered a rare and bizarre fad in the 80's as a "oh, those crazy yuppie Californians!" food, I can pick up at any Kroger here in VA now. Still: my mind, she is blown. fake edit: huh, just looked it up and Pizza Hut opened their first store that same year, 1958. 1977 was when they got bought by Pepsi and really blew up.
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