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Baronash posted:I don’t for a second believe most voters could even articulate what NAFTA is, much less take a position on it. You obviously don’t live in the Midwest where NAFTA gutted much of the manufacturing industry and destroyed the livelihoods of thousands. They still remember and have worked hard over the years to get revenge on anyone that voted for it. It is a big reason not only why there aren’t many elected officials left from that time frame in this part of the country unlike elsewhere but also why much of the Midwest went from solidly Blue to a mix of Red and Purple.
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Rick posted:I can't believe I DVRed a debate and watched the whole thing. Even 2016 me is laughing at me. You DVRr a debate between Joe Biden L and Joe Biden R It is so great that. The dem establishment basically said 'we need Trump voters to win the election' and propped Joey B
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Djarum posted:You obviously don’t live in the Midwest where NAFTA gutted much of the manufacturing industry and destroyed the livelihoods of thousands. Yeah, and you don't need to know the ins and outs of NAFTA policy debate for "Joe Biden helped send your jobs to Mexico, here's a clip of him celebrating it" over video of abandoned factories to resonate. It's gonna be a thing. Just a question of how many people hate Trump enough to drag their rear end to the polls in the rust belt. After Trillbillies brought it up, I'm also a little worried about how his main policy plank of "I'm Obama's best friend" will play in Pennsyltucky (the rest of the coal country is so out of reach that it doesn't matter except for downballots). Can't wait to potentially see 50 ads about The War on Coal/Also Fracking.
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Malleum posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1239383648018804739 yeah im sure Biden core group of olds will turn out for him
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Djarum posted:You obviously don’t live in the Midwest where NAFTA gutted much of the manufacturing industry and destroyed the livelihoods of thousands. Careful. D&D is home to many turbo NAFTA defenders who won't see their neoliberal baby besmirched.
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Mar 16, 2020 08:42
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CowboyKid posted:Supreme Court Justices. Federal court justices. Biden quote:• Pushed us into the Iraq War. Is a fan of Eternal War. (Although he himself is a 5-time draft dodger.) Biden has bragged on camera about trying to defund Social Security, Medicare, and Veterans Benefits. To Congress. He really wanted it known that he attempted to kill Social Security four times: https://twitter.com/schackspelar/status/1239380409487699968 Aside from being a warmonger that loves putting Amercans in prison when theyre not at war, he is also so racist that Henry Kissinger was trying to explain ethics to him: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-us-has-no-obligation-biden-fought-to-keep-vietnamese-refugees-out-of-the-us quote:Joe Biden, the 2020 Democratic presidential front-runner and advocate of large-scale immigration, once tried to block the evacuation of tens of thousands of South Vietnamese refugees who had helped the United States during the Vietnam War. quote:Kissinger said there were “Vietnamese to whom we have an obligation,” but Biden responded: “I will vote for any amount for getting the Americans out. I don’t want it mixed with getting the Vietnamese out.”
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Mar 16, 2020 08:59
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Just lol if you honestly think Biden wouldn't nominate a conservative shitheel to be a Supreme Court Justice in order to "reach across the aisle." Biden desperately wants to be a Republican, he'll do whatever Mitch wants as long as he thinks he'll finally get invited to one of their pizza parties.
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Even odds Biden has to be talked out of nominating a Republican running mate. Honestly, I'm going to be quite surprised if the Biden campaign does anything that doesn't actively spite Bernie supporters. They've been extremely clear about their sheer contempt for them. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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the_steve posted:Just lol if you honestly think Biden wouldn't nominate a conservative shitheel to be a Supreme Court Justice in order to "reach across the aisle." Biden literally pulled out all the stops to get Clarence loving Thomas on the court, so this scaremongering about how you totally have to vote Biden to save the SCOTUS is actually darkly hilarious.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Biden literally pulled out all the stops to get Clarence loving Thomas on the court, so this scaremongering about how you totally have to vote Biden to save the SCOTUS is actually darkly hilarious. Exactly. The Supreme Court cannot be saved if Biden is the nominee. They’d rather reach out to conservatives than their own left
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Even odds Biden has to be talked out of nominating a Republican running mate. Biden will both keep his promise to pick a woman as VP and reach a hand across the aisle, by following in the footsteps of his good friend John McCain.
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Biden (again) dribbled out utter insanity wrt China that edges him towards Curtis Lemay levels of hosed in the head. Doesn’t matter since Orange Man bad.
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Mar 16, 2020 10:07
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Hes freaking lying about changing his views. You know if Biden gets into office he is going to not care about students or student loan debt.
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Mar 16, 2020 10:58
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Mar 16, 2020 11:13
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So biden is going to be the nominee and after the four impotent years we can expect a president cotton or some other such fascist. The outlook is pretty bleak anymore.
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Mar 16, 2020 11:31
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Fister Roboto posted:Trump is going to run to the left of Biden. How? They both tried cutting social security, and are both lying saying no they didn't, but the other guy did.
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Mar 16, 2020 11:46
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ManBoyChef posted:So biden is going to be the nominee and after the four impotent years we can expect a president cotton or some other such fascist. The outlook is pretty bleak anymore. Hawley and Cotton are the ones that we should be scared of, right?
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MJeff posted:Hawley and Cotton are the ones that we should be scared of, right? That's what people say, but it could also be any of a number of regressive billionaires who stuff their cabinet with these shiny-eyed death cultists
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MJeff posted:Hawley and Cotton are the ones that we should be scared of, right? No one should be afraid of Cotton. He has negative charisma in addition to being one of the stupidest people in Washington.
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TyrantWD posted:I don’t know if Biden drives down turnout. Old people seem to like him enough that they turned out in large enough numbers to not only cancel out, but drive down the youth share of the vote, despite increased youth turnout in raw numbers. The olds have already done their part in voting FYGM, so if Bernie is off the ballot in November they'll have no incentive to turn out. Trump may be a crude loudmouth, but by god Sanders said Cuban literacy was good. They already know they can survive a second Trump administration, and have been assured Biden will win anyway. Once the red scare's off the table, boomers will stay home.
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Even if boomers don’t stay home Biden will lose And if he doesn’t he’ll stroke out and we’ll have President palin lol
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moths posted:The olds have already done their part in voting FYGM, so if Bernie is off the ballot in November they'll have no incentive to turn out. Uhh... I get what you're trying to say, but boomers always vote because they have nothing else to do. They will turn out. They always turn out. The only reason they wouldn't is if the nursing home staff locks all the doors to protect them from COVID.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:32
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Biden won't deliver 70% of his primary voted to the general election.
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I'm so sick of the DNC. They don't want people like me in their party. They only want my vote but they don't want to do anything that will materially improve the life of my family. They know that I'm not going to vote for the other guy because they are much worse and they work as hard as they can to get as close to as bad as that without going over the threshold so they can help the same donors and industries that line their pockets. What's the point anymore? I'm changing my voting habits. Now I'm just going to participate in local elections because they obviously don't want or deserve my vote in national elections. I hate that it has come to this but it is where we are.I have accepted that Bernie will not win and then Biden will lose in November unless a miracle happens. I think the best use of my time to help the most people is to work in the community to elect progressives into state offices.
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Probably Magic posted:Biden won't deliver 70% of his primary voted to the general election. But the lethality rate is only around 17%?
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just watched last night's debate and holy lol, if anyone ever wonders why fake news is a Thing just point them at this shambles you absolutely cannot allow people to get away with blatant falsehoods like this if you want to complain about people going to insane reactionary news outlets instead, fox news has been fairer than this
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Mar 16, 2020 13:31
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so is everyone ignoring that biden said he wants to send troops marching through city streets and nursing homes to deal with COVID because uhhh what the gently caress
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Raskolnikov38 posted:so is everyone ignoring that biden said he wants to send troops marching through city streets and nursing homes to deal with COVID because uhhh what the gently caress There's a lot you can get away with if you make a mantra about your political decisions being a directive to play it safe with the lesser evil, even if you somehow manage to come out and support a greater evil in the process.
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the military can be deployed intelligently or it can be deployed for maximum carnage i can see their capacity for rapidly establishing triage units and casualty processing being useful. on its face it isn't the dumbest thing about that debate, but the devil's absolutely in the details
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Mar 16, 2020 13:39
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V. Illych L. posted:the military can be deployed intelligently or it can be deployed for maximum carnage this is the us military we're talking about again
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CowboyKid posted:Supreme Court Justices. Federal court justices. Yeah, it's very important that Biden is elected so that he can nominate Garland again and have it blocked, or maybe harass another victim to get another Clarence Thomas on the bench. Trotting this poo poo out is like trying to sell us trickle down economics. It's been rotting in the sunlight for 40 years.
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V. Illych L. posted:the military can be deployed intelligently or it can be deployed for maximum carnage The best of times allowed Joe Biden to demonstrate his aptitude for brutish fuckery, there is no way he deserves even that much credence now that the rot has started to set in, and that's without getting pulled either which way by whichever self-serving handler is on duty.
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V. Illych L. posted:the military can be deployed to make lockeed martin billions or it can be deployed to make halliburton billions
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Raskolnikov38 posted:like how is sending our psychopath army into the streets not just as terrifying as anything as trump's done Those streets are already full of cops, who are worse, so it's probably fine
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Those streets are already full of cops, who are worse, so it's probably fine Military police.
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Biden is one of the main architects of lovely situation we are in right now. Why do they think giving him the highest office in the land is going to fix anything? Yeah that debate was garbage. Why the gently caress don't they call out the lies!!? There are a lot of misinformed people in this country that will take that poo poo as fact and if we do we end up getting republican joe biden implementing harsher austerity.
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ManBoyChef posted:Hes freaking lying about changing his views. You know if Biden gets into office he is going to not care about students or student loan debt. No I'm sure the guy that's responsible for student loan debt being non-dischargable is now immune to the monied interests that led to that position and has found the deep ethical and ideological conviction necessary to fight the difficult and costly fight to eliminate all tuition. But remember we're the naive and non-pragmatic ones.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:like how is sending our psychopath army into the streets not just as terrifying as anything as trump's done They are way better behaved than cops. As long as the orders are good.
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