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OctoberCountry posted:lmao @ listening to Red Scare It’s a funny show. Good to see you enjoy it.
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Mar 16, 2020 14:40
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Crowsbeak posted:Nah. The radlibs would rather their egos be soothed and the world burn then a seizure of power. You keep saying radlib but don't seem to know what it means.
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Mar 16, 2020 14:52
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forkboy84 posted:You keep saying radlib but don't seem to know what it means. I think acting like Noah Berlatsky. Which means idpol above all and ostracization of those who don’t agree or especially offer mild criticism kind of sums it up. Look at all the people who in this thread literally compare criticism to nazism. I mean. I think we have very good examples of the pathetic specimens in this thread.
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Mar 16, 2020 14:58
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it's like day 3 of quarantine and crowsbeak has already gone off the deep end
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Crowsbeak posted:I think acting like Noah Berlatsky. Which means idpol above all and ostracization of those who don’t agree or especially offer mild criticism kind of sums it up. Look at all the people who in this thread literally compare criticism to nazism. I mean. I think we have very good examples of the pathetic specimens in this thread. Yeah, you're calling Prince Myshkin, a genuine Marxist Leninist, a loving radlib and it's dumb. But then I've also seen anarchists called radlib so its almost as if the term has no real definition.
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Mar 16, 2020 15:15
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, you're calling Prince Myshkin, a genuine Marxist Leninist, a loving radlib and it's dumb. But then I've also seen anarchists called radlib so its almost as if the term has no real definition. Funny how he acts like radlib. You can call yourself many things. But what matters is how you act. If you seek to silence mild criticism of idpol from Old School Socialists you’re no ML. Note how Noah Berlatsky also says he’s a socialist all the while slandering those on the left. Actions matter. And when actions are to silence mild criticism of ideas that are at best a minor part of the of workers liberation. And often used by reactionaries to silence forces seeking to advance the goals. You at best need to reassess your actions. If not reassess if you ever were as much a revolutionary you claim.
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Mar 16, 2020 15:23
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Crowsbeak posted:I think acting like Noah Berlatsky. Which means idpol above all and ostracization of those who don’t agree or especially offer mild criticism kind of sums it up. Look at all the people who in this thread literally compare criticism to nazism. I mean. I think we have very good examples of the pathetic specimens in this thread. you went from saying anyone who listens to Jordan Peterson needs to be thrown in a gulag to wokely scolding people for taking pleasure in his downfall, entirely on the strength of the third mic on cumtown's ex telling you so. pretending your critique is ideological would require pretending you have an ideology.
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Mar 16, 2020 15:24
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Crowsbeak posted:Funny how he acts like radlib. You can call yourself many things. But what matters is how you act. If you seek to silence mild criticism of idpol from Old School Socialists you’re no ML. Note how Noah Berlatsky also says he’s a socialist all the while slandering those on the left. Actions matter. And when actions are to silence mild criticism of ideas that are at best a minor part of the of workers liberation. And often used by reactionaries to silence forces seeking to advance the goals. You at best need to reassess your actions. If not reassess if you ever were as much a revolutionary you claim. Ah yes, we must be like the true revolutionaries, Anna and Dasha and Dasha. I also have no idea who Noah Berlatsky is but I'm not sure the credentials of an Atlantic writer self-describing as a socialist matter to many people who haven't already gone crack ping
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Mar 16, 2020 15:28
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AFAIK when people call communists radlibs, it's because if you're the kind of communist who only sits on the sidelines and criticizes everybody else for being impure, that's functionally identical to being a woke Twitter lib. I'm not saying that applies to anyone ITT because I don't give a gently caress about your thirst trap wars. Anyway. I can't stop having nightmares about civilizational collapse, and I still don't give a gently caress about Red Scare. Stop quoting Crowsbeak. The ignore function only works if we have herd immunity
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Mar 16, 2020 15:32
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Crowsbeak posted:I think acting like Noah Berlatsky.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:you went from saying anyone who listens to Jordan Peterson needs to be thrown in a gulag to wokely scolding people for taking pleasure in his downfall, entirely on the strength of the third mic on cumtown's ex telling you so. I do. What matters is what ensures workers liberation. What doesn’t matter is whatever soothes the egos of people like you. As it requires ideas that are used to silence the left by forces of reaction. Right now it is racist to oppose Biden because older blacks voted for him. It is homophobic to oppose Buttigiegas he is gay. Unnasailable idpolis now being used to silence the left. Hellaccusations of “antisemitism “ were used to screw Corby . Concepts of “voices of the marginalized “ have to be critically looked at as they are now used to silence the workers movement. And just declaring critical standpoints are nazism or fascism or strasserism are at best showing a lack of critical thinking. At worse it shows a infantilism that needs to be expunged. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 16:01 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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forkboy84 posted:Ah yes, we must be like the true revolutionaries, Anna and Dasha and Dasha. They are definitely truer revolutionaries then the people here who think mild criticism of idpol is nazism. I will say. At the end it’s revolution or barbarism and the barbarics would love to see more idpol to ensure the revolution never comes due to egotistical mentally unwell people crying over someone saying the r word. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 16:06 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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Mar 16, 2020 15:53
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Crowsbeak posted:I do. What matters is what ensures workers liberation. What doesn’t matter is whatever soothes the egos of people like you. So why tf are you posting bro. Why are you even responding to this poo poo. If you don't care about the egos of cspam goons, why is this argument even happening
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Mar 16, 2020 15:55
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Crowsbeak posted:They are definitely truer revolutionaries then the people here who think mild criticism of idpol is nazism. I will say. At the end it’s revolution or harbarism and the barbarically would love to see more idpol to ensure the revolution never comes due to egotistical mentally unwell people crying over someone saying the r word. Oh ok I dont think you "get" idpol or Marxist thought for that matter but that's cool you do you 
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Mar 16, 2020 15:56
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this man said harbarism
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Mar 16, 2020 16:00
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cool dance moves posted:Oh ok I dont think you "get" idpol or Marxist thought for that matter but that's cool you do you Marxism is about seizing the means of production for the masses. Marx also had those who thought socialism should be about free love and should focus solely on bringing up minorities expelled from his movement.
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Mar 16, 2020 16:02
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Crowsbeak posted:Marxism is about seizing the means of production for the masses. Marx also had those who thought socialism should be about free love and should focus solely on bringing up minorities expelled from his movement. Howd marx get to his conclusions
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Mar 16, 2020 16:03
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cool dance moves posted:So why tf are you posting bro. Why are you even responding to this poo poo. If you don't care about the egos of cspam goons, why is this argument even happening I mean. We need a discourse. Even if it means beating it into the brains of the mentally unfit. Marx talked about Alienation. Speaking of alienation. It is alienating to refer to Joe Rogan and his fans as sexist. It is alienating to describe any and all white males as “privileged”. It is alienating to describe mild criticism of idpol as “nazism”. Hmmm. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 16:06 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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Mar 16, 2020 16:03
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cool dance moves posted:Howd marx get to his conclusions the joe rogan method, dmt and isolation tank
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Mar 16, 2020 16:04
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Tfw you get all your political ideas from podcasts
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Mar 16, 2020 16:04
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emdash posted:this man said harbarism
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Mar 16, 2020 16:07
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Tfw you get all your political ideas from podcasts some of them come from video games, anime and comics too you know 
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Mar 16, 2020 16:07
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Halloween Jack posted:Socialism or Babarism, welcome our new elephant overlords We probably will. As at the moment there is a far too large section of the left at priorities ego over actual goals. I hope Trumps victory at the end of the year makes some begin to reevaluate their thought.
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Mar 16, 2020 16:08
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No it's true, Marxism rejects all forms of the dreaded idpol, which is why women had nothing to do with the October Revolution.
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Mar 16, 2020 16:09
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"Shove off, dames! We don't need you, a group of people who face no special or extra oppression, scolding us and bringing down the workers' movement." — V.I. Lenin
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my gf and i are too poor to afford kids but for $350 we can get this baby yoda replica and raise it as our son, i better start saving  
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Mar 16, 2020 16:14
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Prince Myshkin posted:No it's true, Marxism rejects all forms of the dreaded idpol, which is why women had nothing to do with the October Revolution. The roles of genuinely radical women like Kollontai pushing ideas like free love did get written out of history pretty quickly (like when the Central Committee made her get married). Can't blame someone who thinks podcasting is praxis for being ignorant of that sort if thing
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The idpol over everything scolds are a tiny online clique. They are annoying, but they're not the problem. The problem is the idea that making discourse more progressive is an end in and of itself, and that it reflects any meaningful change. That's what results in Bernie expending all his political capital on "moving the conversation left". The DNC, and libs in general are perfectly willing and capable of adopting woke or left talking points without actually delivering on any of it, and Capital always corrupts or outpaces this type of nice guy progress. There are lots of people out there who admire Bernie for sticking to his principles and never going low, but the reality is that he's the only one playing by the rules, and he's getting demonized either way. Bernie likely ending his political career head held high is doing his cause a massive disservice; he should have tried appealing to the atavistic heart of America like Trump did, after all, Trump won.
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Prince Myshkin posted:"Shove off, dames! We don't need you, a group of people who face no special or extra oppression, scolding us and bringing down the workers' movement." — V.I. Lenin Lenin also had everyone who ever said the r word shot I remember.
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forkboy84 posted:The roles of genuinely radical women like Kollontai pushing ideas like free love did get written out of history pretty quickly (like when the Central Committee made her get married). Can't blame someone who thinks podcasting is praxis for being ignorant of that sort if thing Hey. The central committee knew how to keep power. Thank God they did so СССР was there to crush nazism. Rather then allowing those who only dealt on their passions and policing all speech run it. Also Kolkontai ensures she didn’t meet the end many of those who put ego first did tragically in 37.
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I am not convinced honorable defeat will radicalize as many as going out in flames would either.
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cool dance moves posted:Howd marx get to his conclusions Crowsbeak pls answer this question, it is very important for my acquiring Class Consciousnesstm and overthrowing the bourgeois overlords tia
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Mar 16, 2020 16:19
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i might be a dumb guy but i like to get high and consume media and post online about things i don't fully understand
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Prince Myshkin posted:"Shove off, dames! We don't need you, a group of people who face no special or extra oppression, scolding us and bringing down the workers' movement." — V.I. Lenin the lenin/luxemburg polemics on the national question really bear a frightening amount of relevance to present anxieties re: racial isses. it meshes much less neatly onto sexual minorities and women, though really the big problem with the identitarian paradigm is its privileging of the subjective experience of oppression as effectively irrefutable - this helps a lot as a rule of thumb to prevent dudes like me from trying to say 'uh excuse me x is clearly not racist' to various concerns, but the focus on lived experience is pretty obviously detrimental to any sort of generalised analysis, and demands for intersectional solidarity absolutely need that or it'll quickly turn into eternal quibbles about the give and take, because there's no good way of weighing concerns against each other. tbh it really does feel to me that marxism was the obvious answer to a question begged by intersectionalism, and suddenly we're back in the sixties and marxist-feminists are getting agitated at the bourgeois neo-feminists...
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Percelus posted:i might be a dumb guy but i like to get high and consume media and post online about things i don't fully understand  tbh
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cool dance moves posted:Crowsbeak pls answer this question, it is very important for my acquiring Class Consciousnesstm and overthrowing the bourgeois overlords tia I actually did. It is about alienation. And as I said if your response to alienation is to alienate potential allies who also outnumber you., and also could be picked up by the forces of barbarism. You are doing it wrong.
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Crowsbeak posted:Hey. The central committee knew how to keep power. Thank God they did so СССР was there to crush nazism. Rather then allowing those who only dealt on their passions and policing all speech run it. Also Kolkontai ensures she didn’t meet the end many of those who put ego first did tragically in 37. Thank God the CC knew the way to keep power was removing all power from the Soviets, effectively disenfranchising the workers, crushing the peasantry and having anyone who disagreed on even the smallest tactical issue killed while allowing for a new class of comfortable bureaucrats to emerge. Proper job. Imagine concluding the purges of almost all the Old Bolsheviks was the right thing to do because hey, at least they beat the Nazis as if. Killing socialists is bad. Being fair, being a Stalin apologist checks with being socially regressive.
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forkboy84 posted:Thank God the CC knew the way to keep power was removing all power from the Soviets, effectively disenfranchising the workers, crushing the peasantry and having anyone who disagreed on even the smallest tactical issue killed while allowing for a new class of comfortable bureaucrats to emerge. Proper job. Oh well the first you can thank Kollanti for siding with Lenin on. It is funny how anarchists think Stalin was some great aberration.
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thotsky posted:I am not convinced honorable defeat will radicalize as many as going out in flames would either. Good thing this is a dishonorable defeat. Due to dnc rigging. Best of all the dnc will run on being the wokes possible. So the one section of the left left holding the bag? The woke scolds. Some will definitely begin a re-evaluation after this. Those who don’t? Well. Might be necessary to push certain orgs that claim to be against dem centralism to adapt it so as to ensure such people no longer are allowed to speak for socialism.
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