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Just wanted to pipe in to say that undervolting my radeon 5700xt from 1950 ghz / 1200 mv to 1800 ghz / 1000 mv, and then upping my fan curve up to 20% across all levels seems to have cured my crash to desktop woes with 20.2.2 while playing witcher 3. My max fps has dropped about 8, nut I will be glad to trade that for extra stability. (
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orcane posted:The RTX 2070 in my SFF computer just died so whatever will be too late Shouldn't it still be under warranty?
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Mar 15, 2020 23:40
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Quaint Quail Quilt posted:Yeah, they should have linked us! Do you live somewhere that is already hot at this time of year? It's like 5C here in West coast Canada.
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Mar 15, 2020 23:42
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VelociBacon posted:Do you live somewhere that is already hot at this time of year? It's like 5C here in West coast Canada. CPU and GPU stay at 140° F low 60s C when crunching, more than double my usual idle temps lately.
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Quaint Quail Quilt posted:I'm in the south yes, it will be soon ish. My neighbor just mowed the first time today. You're the first person I've ever seen quote hardware temperature in Fahrenheit and I've lived in the US all my life. You deserve an award or something
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Mar 16, 2020 03:28
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repiv posted:I will never understand why nvidia doesn't just put clock/voltage controls in their control panel Because they know the moment the API is opened up an open source overclocking utility that isn't absolute loving garbage will be released and no one will ever use anything else, depriving their partners of some kind of revenue (not sure what? how do they benefit from those tools anyway? marketing data?).
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Mar 16, 2020 03:31
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It is not in the base driver to keep morons from imputing dumb settings and then getting mad when the card doesn’t work right.
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Mar 16, 2020 03:46
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Huh someone actually reverse engineered the private NVAPI interfaces and built a simple frontend. https://1vwjbxf1wko0yhnr.wordpress.com/2015/08/10/overclocking-tools-for-nvidia-gpus-suck-i-made-my-own It's from a few years ago though, I don't know if it still works on today's drivers.
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VostokProgram posted:You're the first person I've ever seen quote hardware temperature in Fahrenheit and I've lived in the US all my life. You deserve an award or something In Trump country they lock you up for using European Socialist numbers.
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Why in our year of the lord 2020 does it take so loving long to install geforce drivers
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Mar 16, 2020 05:27
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ChazTurbo posted:Shouldn't it still be under warranty? The GTX 1050 Ti is still pretty good at running Borderlands 3 if I run it at 1080p with skme reduced details  ILikeVoltron posted:Why in our year of the lord 2020 does it take so loving long to install geforce drivers
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Mar 16, 2020 08:23
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SCheeseman posted:Because they know the moment the API is opened up an open source overclocking utility that isn't absolute loving garbage will be released and no one will ever use anything else, depriving their partners of some kind of revenue (not sure what? how do they benefit from those tools anyway? marketing data?). I figured it makes them less liable in case someone fucks with the settings and blows up their gpu.
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Microsoft is going into detail on the XBSX hardware now, in addition to the stuff we already knew (DXR 1.1 and VRS support) they have also confirmed that RDNA2 supports DX12 Mesh Shaders. AMD had been trying to ship that since Vega but it kept getting kicked down the road while Turing beat them to an actually usable implementation. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-inside-xbox-series-x-full-specs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcY4nRHapmE Mindblast posted:I figured it makes them less liable in case someone fucks with the settings and blows up their gpu. Nvidia's system is pretty idiot proof, there are safe limits hard-coded into the cards VBIOS and the driver overclocking API will never let you exceed those limits. You have to go well out of your way to blow up an NV card. repiv fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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The Bone X is going to be as beastly as MS promised. 52 CUs, 1825mhz base clock. No boost, no downclock. Locked CPU clocks, 3.6ghz with SMT on, 3.8ghz SMT off. Interesting ram layout with 10gb at high clocks for the GPU and 6gb at lower clocks that will still be plenty fast for the CPU. That thing is going to cost at least five hundred ninety-nine US dollars. MS probably doesn't have to price it QUITE so high as you might expect because the sort of people who will buy such a high-end machine are also probably likely to buy a ton of overpriced games, ripoff DLC, services, etc. I think the implications for PC gaming are really good. Yeah, people are going to have to spend a lot of money to leapfrog consoles again, but between SSD standardization and vastly more powerful CPUs, we should see some pretty nice leaps forward once we start seeing proper ground-up next-gen exclusive games.
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I only buy games cca 3 years after they release, so the leapfrogging part is cheaper for me. The SSD stuff is great, that should hopefully lead to no more Mass Effect elevators.
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https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1239522408542941185?s=09
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Xbox Series X Xbox Se X XboxSexBox
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VostokProgram posted:You're the first person I've ever seen quote hardware temperature in Fahrenheit and I've lived in the US all my life. You deserve an award or something  No worries though, namaste.
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NVIDIA’s announcements now cancelled completely. https://twitter.com/videocardz/status/1239575835910254595?s=21
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those specs are good news for the industry and consumers, though I agree that it will have to be quite expensive. One other video shows the 300W power supply, i assume that's a 200W+ TDP chip? Very nice thermal design too. Cygni posted:NVIDIA’s announcements now cancelled completely. Makes me wonder if they delayed/canceled a launch due to supply problems. Understandable decision in any case. eames fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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Mar 16, 2020 16:45
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Cygni posted:NVIDIA’s announcements now cancelled completely. This is interesting. To me it says it most likely WAS a gaming-focused announcement, and they feel it would be tone-deaf at the moment. Now would be a fantastic time to announce a new compute product and talk about how it can help develop ways to fight outbreaks in the future, etc. Even with supply chain issues forcing a launch delay, it'd still be a good look/positive PR at a moment when many people are at home consuming any kind of remotely coronavirus-related news as fast as they can.
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Mar 16, 2020 16:48
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I'm shocked that the only storage solution in there is the SSD. I was convinced that there would be a mechanical drive in there too. A typical game has a bunch of content, like FMV video, that takes up a bunch of space but doesn't need fast storage.
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Mar 16, 2020 16:59
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They are supporting external USB storage for playing legacy 360/XB1 games and archiving XBSX games, at least. XBSX games will only actually run from the internal SSD or weird SSD cartridge though.
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Maxwell Adams posted:I'm shocked that the only storage solution in there is the SSD. I was convinced that there would be a mechanical drive in there too. A typical game has a bunch of content, like FMV video, that takes up a bunch of space but doesn't need fast storage. The dual-speed memory is a bit of a surprise, albeit it's still basically a unified architecture and the drop off in GB/sec isn't that great. GDDR6 is still hella expensive.
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K8.0 posted:This is interesting. To me it says it most likely WAS a gaming-focused announcement, and they feel it would be tone-deaf at the moment. Now would be a fantastic time to announce a new compute product and talk about how it can help develop ways to fight outbreaks in the future, etc. Even with supply chain issues forcing a launch delay, it'd still be a good look/positive PR at a moment when many people are at home consuming any kind of remotely coronavirus-related news as fast as they can. It would still look tone deaf considering every idiot corporation on the planet has sent out an email about covid 19 and how they're gonna help you keep spending money.
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eames posted:those specs are good news for the industry and consumers, though I agree that it will have to be quite expensive. Kinda like a less fancy trashcan mac pro design. Even with the inevitable down clocking the CPU will get hit with when the GPU is in use, they still aren't leaving a crazy amount of power budget for a GPU that big. Will be interesting.
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Meh, a disaster where large swaths of society are supposed to isolate at home is a great time for the entertainment industry to step up.
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Cygni posted:Kinda like a less fancy trashcan mac pro design. Even with the inevitable down clocking the CPU will get hit with when the GPU is in use, they still aren't leaving a crazy amount of power budget for a GPU that big. Will be interesting. The DF review suggests that all clockspeeds (CPU and GPU) are static, no boosting or throttling. I can understand why they want that (gives developers perfectly consistent performance to work with and makes frametimes steadier too) but I'm not sure if 200W TDP are even enough. The Die itself seems relatively small too. *typo: TPD = TDP eames fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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eames posted:The DF review suggests that all clockspeeds (CPU and GPU) are static, no boosting or throttling. They never explicitly said those frequencies were simultaneous, and I don't think there is any way they can. Thats a 65W 3700X + a GPU 32% larger than a 225w Navi at equal clocks. Unless RDNA2 is 30% more power efficient on the same node, which would be a revolution, there is no way the clocks are simultaneous imo.
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Cygni posted:They never explicitly said those frequencies were simultaneous, and I don't think there is any way they can. Thats a 65W 3700X + a GPU 32% larger than a 225w Navi at equal clocks. Most 5700XT are way overvolted out of the box, as is AMD tradition. 5700XT is way more efficient at lower clocks though that is only a 40CU part, not 52. Total system draw for my 5700XT @1900mhz (in game ~1830mhz) and a stock 9900k was around 250W in a number of games. So I could see a more efficient cpu and RDNA2 hit close to 200W, maybe a bit higher. All speculation of course but I think these consoles are gonna be great.
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Cygni posted:Unless RDNA2 is 30% more power efficient on the same node, which would be a revolution, there is no way the clocks are simultaneous imo.  That's no doubt a cherry picked number way down on the voltage scale, but a console probably isn't pushing the voltage especially hard so it fits.
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They specifically say they're locked frequencies without downclocking. Obviously there will be idle states, but I'm really not sure how they could be any more explicit about their stated frequencies. AMD's GPU power efficiency is absolute dogshit compared to Nvidia. It took going to 7nm to get in the ballpark of Nvida on 12nm. Given the power density issues Navi faces on 7nm and how that limits performance, it's actually quite likely that a significant amount of effort has gone to improving efficiency on RDNA2. The CPU is also running more efficiently than a 3700X at 3.6 SMT on 3.8 SMT off. Realistically, the thing IS a thermal monstrosity, but I see no reason to believe MS is lying. They're also producing on a more refined 7nm process than Navi and the 3000 series had to be released on. That usually comes with some potential efficiency gains.
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Hey you guys can believe it all you want, but I dont. We will see soon!
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repiv posted:That's no doubt a cherry picked number way down on the voltage scale, but a console probably isn't pushing the voltage especially hard so it fits. There's also this: Anandtech posted:AnandTech: The rearchitect of Vega for 7nm has been given a +56% performance increase. Does this mean that there was a lot left on the table with the design for 14/12nm? I’m trying to understand how you were able to pull so much extra performance from a simple process node change. and the various rumors about RDNA2 for desktop having a substantial power efficiency increase for the same reason. I think it could be true. It'd run quite hot at launch but they'll process shrink it into the normal 150W range eventually.
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Nvidia cancelling everything at GTC sucks because there was buzz building around a possible change in their Linux driver so it isn’t so bad.
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3.8 ghz base clock is a mega oof for PC gamers in general and zen1/zen+ owners in particular. have fun being 40% slower than "the baseline".
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Can't wait to play 30 FPS console shitshows at... 37 FPS!
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Paul MaudDib posted:3.8 ghz base clock is a mega oof for PC gamers in general and zen1/zen+ owners in particular. have fun being 40% slower than "the baseline". Can you maybe remove several layers of snark because it’s hard to know what your point is.
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B-Mac posted:Most 5700XT are way overvolted out of the box, as is AMD tradition. 5700XT is way more efficient at lower clocks though that is only a 40CU part, not 52. shockingly, Sony/MS will not be able to ship a finely tuned undervolted system any more than, say, sapphire or msi or asus can because what you perceive as "way overvolted" is in fact just the normal safety margin for system stability that you are eating up by hand tuning it. That resulting system is not going to be 100% stable for 5+ years in 100% of workloads. NVIDIA is also "way overvolted", that's just how normal cards are
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Craptacular! posted:Can you maybe remove several layers of snark because it’s hard to know what your point is. consoles tend to set "the baseline", by which I mean they tune their game performance so they hit 60 fps on their hardware that "baseline" just stepped up a tremendous amount. 3.8 GHz base clock with Zen2 IPC is literally faster than 90% of systems in market at the moment. Those systems that don't have that perf are going to fall behind. this is going to be fairly pronounced on those "future proof" zen1/zen+ systems. Those systems lag zen2 by 30-40% in gaming performance, across the board. It's also going to suck for Kaby Lake owners and prior (that's why I say it's a "mega oof for PC gaming in general") but HUB and others have been advertising the 1600 as "future proof" and that's about to hit a rude awakening. You're now 40% slower than "the baseline" 60fps system. Like I've been saying since the first rumors of these consoles - the only safe haven against a really fast console is high per-thread performance. 3600, 3700X, 9900K, or OC'd 8700K is still good, 1800X or 1600 or 2700X or whatever is not. Those systems just aged out. (7600K/7700K already aged out, they were a dumb buy compared to the 5820K) Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Mar 17, 2020 |
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