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Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

OctaMurk posted:

Many custom molders are in fact set up this way. I dont know about UK/Europe but there are many companies in the US who can tool up to make pretty much any component, and have large assembly workforce. Quite a few are even qualified for medical devices, with clean room molding and assembly. I would assume that UK has several given that there are plenty of engineering firms in the UK that would demand those services.

In any case, rushing a medical device into new production is impossible unless you waive many regulations. And the regulations exist for very good reasons.

Can't you like buy the plans on license for reproduction rather than reinventing the wheel?

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AlexanderCA
Jul 21, 2010

by Cyrano4747
In ww2 they often took one company's design and handed it to other manufacturers saying : "build this". The willys jeep wasn't actually designed by willy's overland for example.

So that would probably the way to do it if you couldn't simply scale up at the original manufacturer.

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

Just THERAC it and take a long lunch.

deoju
Jul 11, 2004

All the pieces matter.
Nap Ghost
This came up on my google news feed because they know I like Batman...

Lift comes down on top of woman on a movie set, paralyzes her. She wasn't even a stunty, just a production assistant.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/03/14/woman-paralyzed-while-working-on-set-of-batwoman-in-vancouver/

You could chalk this up as a freak accident, but a stuntwoman died in Vancouver a few years ago filming Deadpool 2. Two major gently caress ups like these should invite some more oversight.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

John Landis killed two first graders with a helicopter and went on to direct 10 more hit films so...

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

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shame on an IGA posted:

John Landis killed two first graders with a helicopter and went on to direct 10 more hit films so...

A guy who has already killed two first graders knows what to look out for next time. He's probably safer than a director who hasn't killed anyone yet!

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

AlexanderCA posted:

In ww2 they often took one company's design and handed it to other manufacturers saying : "build this". The willys jeep wasn't actually designed by willy's overland for example.

So that would probably the way to do it if you couldn't simply scale up at the original manufacturer.

Stanley Hooker posted:

“One day their Chief Engineer appeared in Lovesey’s office, which I was then sharing, and said, ‘You know, we can’t make the Merlin to these drawings.’

I replied loftily, ‘I suppose that is because the drawing tolerances are too difficult for you, and you can’t achieve the accuracy.’

‘On the contrary’ he replied, ‘the tolerances are far too wide for us.’ We make motor cars far more accurately than this. Every part on our car engines has to be interchangeable with the same part on any other engine, and hence all parts have to be made with extreme accuracy, far closer than you use. That is the only way we can achieve mass-production.’”

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Facebook Aunt posted:

A guy who has already killed two first graders knows what to look out for next time. He's probably safer than a director who hasn't killed anyone yet!

Well he certainly hasn’t done it since

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer

Thomamelas posted:

Yeah, it's whole production is a saga. It's not the finest movie ever made. But it's made with a lot of passion and that passion makes it interesting to watch. And it has the greatest tagline in film. Rated X by an all white jury.

I think his kid put out a movie that was basically "The making of" that movie.

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

evil_bunnY posted:

As others pointed out to you the chinese govt let it run rampant for a good long while before clamping down hard.
The UK govt seems intent on running a strategy of herd immunity through controlled contamination, which is basically fueling the fire with the bodies of the vulnerable and unlucky. It''s going to blow in their loving faces.

So basically the WW 1 strategy then. They won that in the end so tally-ho lets go show old Gerry what’s what old chap.

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

evil_bunnY posted:

As others pointed out to you the chinese govt let it run rampant for a good long while before clamping down hard.

Lockdown started late january, about as soon as the national government realized the situation, 12 days after the first death and about 2 weeks since it was noted to be a novel virus. idk how you describe that as "let it run rampant for a good long while". They shut down the country during the biggest holiday in the world.

China absolutely set a good standard for how to deal with pandemics, bested by Taiwan and South Korea who had more time advantage and a foreign source, rather than internal. The west is not trying to replicate any of those successes despite having the foresight china lacked and Italy and Spain are showing you the results.

sorry for your racist brain tho

spookykid
Apr 28, 2006

I am an awkward fellow
after all
UN/AV/Post combo

Sanctum
Feb 14, 2005

Property was their religion
A church for one
So this broke-rear end spanish airline with 2 planes in their fleet is trying to make a profit from the coronavirus by taking a job no other airline will touch. Wuhan->San Francisco direct flight for refugees, they unloaded passengers last night on the opposite side of the runway (away from the terminal.) Set up 3 serious tents and were testing the passengers 1 at a time, slowly. All the passengers clothes got wrapped in plastic. Every passenger was moved off-site in vans. Every baggage container was wrapped in plastic and moved off-site. No one was allowed within 200 ft of the plane so airfield safety was escorting us onto the taxiway to get around the quarantined area.

They are keeping it out of the news. I wonder if they are uninfected, or already infected and no longer contagious people.

Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

Click here to join Lem Lee in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces
Nap Ghost

deoju posted:

This came up on my google news feed because they know I like Batman...

Lift comes down on top of woman on a movie set, paralyzes her. She wasn't even a stunty, just a production assistant.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/03/14/woman-paralyzed-while-working-on-set-of-batwoman-in-vancouver/

You could chalk this up as a freak accident, but a stuntwoman died in Vancouver a few years ago filming Deadpool 2. Two major gently caress ups like these should invite some more oversight.

There will be no more oversight. poo poo's been happening since cameras started rolling in BC and nothing ever happens.

Joi Harris was a professional motocross racer who was hired to double Domino on Deadpool 2. Although she was an accomplished racer, this was the first time doing stunts on a film. She had successfully completed the stunt in question five times, when on the the sixth take she overshot a platform, struck a curb, and was thrown helmetless through a plate glass window. During the investigation, the production claimed that it was "not possible" to CGI Zazie Beetz's face overtop a helmet, even though Fincher had done it with Rooney Mara in The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo almost 10 years earlier. The studio received a Worker's Compensation fine, settled out of court with Harris' family, and the movie made a poo poo ton of money.

Late least year, Ron Perlman was driving a truck while shooting some non-union indie shitter in the Okanagan when he had a geezer moment and drove through video village (the area where the director and key crew members can watch what the cameras are capturing), running over a number of propane canisters that were being used to heat the tents, and causing a minor foot injury to one crew member. The producers reportedly attempted to continue shooting for the rest of the day, causing a number of crew members to quit. TMZ has footage of the aftermath.

In 2016, Maze Runner star Dylan O’Brien was almost killed during a "vehicle transfer" stunt when he fell from one vehicle and was struck by the other. He suffered serious physical injuries, including a traumatic brain injury. The production was halted and it took O'Brien almost a year to recover.

In 2014, on the set of Falling Skies, a parked but un-chocked production truck rolled backwards down a hill, pinning a Teamster security guard against a tree and killing him. The tailgate had been lowered to load equipment, and was reportedly a factor in his death. I actually heard someone say that "he was cut in half by the tailgate, but being stuck in that position kept him alive, so they brought his wife and family to say goodbye before they moved the truck, which they knew would kill him, which reminded me of how stupid people fall for urban legends, and also that the M. Knight Shyamalan movie Signs was loving awful except for that one scene where Joaquin Phoenix is watching TV.

In 1998, Vancouver stuntman Marc Akerstream was killed when he was struck in the head by a piece of flying debris while watching the explosion of an empty rowboat on TV series The Crow: Stairway to Heaven. You may remember him as the gang member Jackie Chan fights with a pinball machine in Rumble in the Bronx. Akerstream was not involved in the stunt, but was watching the explosion from the shore when debris ricocheted off a tree behind and struck him in the head.

In 1997, local stuntman Keith Perepelkin was killed in Squamish, British Columbia during filming of blockbuster Howie Long masterpiece Firestorm. Perepelkin was dropped from a helicopter attached to a 50-lb dummy, but his chute failed or did not open. He had never completed a low-altitude jump before, was wearing a high-altitude pack with no reserve, and the helicopter he jumped from was reportedly only half as high as it was supposed to be per the stunt permit. A number of non-local members of the crew fled the country after the failed stunt. I don't believe anyone ever faced trial, even though the stunt coordinator, Glenn Wilder, and executive producer, Louise Rosner, were charged with criminal Workers Compensation violations. The production was eventually fined a grand total of $60,000, which was probably more than that piece of poo poo made after publicity costs.

This is just Vancouver and the surrounding area. Google 'Sarah Jones Midnight Rider' if this post didn't make you angry enough.

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!

shame on an IGA posted:

John Landis killed two first graders with a helicopter and went on to direct 10 more hit films so...

Vic Morrow too.

XTimmy
Nov 28, 2007
I am Jacks self hatred

Dillbag posted:

There will be no more oversight. poo poo's been happening since cameras started rolling in BC and nothing ever happens.

Joi Harris was a professional motocross racer who was hired to double Domino on Deadpool 2. Although she was an accomplished racer, this was the first time doing stunts on a film. She had successfully completed the stunt in question five times, when on the the sixth take she overshot a platform, struck a curb, and was thrown helmetless through a plate glass window. During the investigation, the production claimed that it was "not possible" to CGI Zazie Beetz's face overtop a helmet, even though Fincher had done it with Rooney Mara in The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo almost 10 years earlier. The studio received a Worker's Compensation fine, settled out of court with Harris' family, and the movie made a poo poo ton of money.

Late least year, Ron Perlman was driving a truck while shooting some non-union indie shitter in the Okanagan when he had a geezer moment and drove through video village (the area where the director and key crew members can watch what the cameras are capturing), running over a number of propane canisters that were being used to heat the tents, and causing a minor foot injury to one crew member. The producers reportedly attempted to continue shooting for the rest of the day, causing a number of crew members to quit. TMZ has footage of the aftermath.

In 2016, Maze Runner star Dylan O’Brien was almost killed during a "vehicle transfer" stunt when he fell from one vehicle and was struck by the other. He suffered serious physical injuries, including a traumatic brain injury. The production was halted and it took O'Brien almost a year to recover.

In 2014, on the set of Falling Skies, a parked but un-chocked production truck rolled backwards down a hill, pinning a Teamster security guard against a tree and killing him. The tailgate had been lowered to load equipment, and was reportedly a factor in his death. I actually heard someone say that "he was cut in half by the tailgate, but being stuck in that position kept him alive, so they brought his wife and family to say goodbye before they moved the truck, which they knew would kill him, which reminded me of how stupid people fall for urban legends, and also that the M. Knight Shyamalan movie Signs was loving awful except for that one scene where Joaquin Phoenix is watching TV.

In 1998, Vancouver stuntman Marc Akerstream was killed when he was struck in the head by a piece of flying debris while watching the explosion of an empty rowboat on TV series The Crow: Stairway to Heaven. You may remember him as the gang member Jackie Chan fights with a pinball machine in Rumble in the Bronx. Akerstream was not involved in the stunt, but was watching the explosion from the shore when debris ricocheted off a tree behind and struck him in the head.

In 1997, local stuntman Keith Perepelkin was killed in Squamish, British Columbia during filming of blockbuster Howie Long masterpiece Firestorm. Perepelkin was dropped from a helicopter attached to a 50-lb dummy, but his chute failed or did not open. He had never completed a low-altitude jump before, was wearing a high-altitude pack with no reserve, and the helicopter he jumped from was reportedly only half as high as it was supposed to be per the stunt permit. A number of non-local members of the crew fled the country after the failed stunt. I don't believe anyone ever faced trial, even though the stunt coordinator, Glenn Wilder, and executive producer, Louise Rosner, were charged with criminal Workers Compensation violations. The production was eventually fined a grand total of $60,000, which was probably more than that piece of poo poo made after publicity costs.

This is just Vancouver and the surrounding area. Google 'Sarah Jones Midnight Rider' if this post didn't make you angry enough.
I have worked on multi-million dollar TV series on which the stunt vehicle safety was reduced to "well he'll stop about here?" Not to mention the constant issues of people driving home for an hour after working twelve and rolling their four-tonne truck. The entire film and TV industry is woefully unconcerned with the health and well-being of its workers.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

XTimmy posted:

I have worked on multi-million dollar TV series on which the stunt vehicle safety was reduced to "well he'll stop about here?" Not to mention the constant issues of people driving home for an hour after working twelve and rolling their four-tonne truck. The entire film and TV industry is woefully unconcerned with the health and well-being of its workers.
at all levels

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Dillbag posted:

In 2014, on the set of Falling Skies, a parked but un-chocked production truck rolled backwards down a hill, pinning a Teamster security guard against a tree and killing him. The tailgate had been lowered to load equipment, and was reportedly a factor in his death. I actually heard someone say that "he was cut in half by the tailgate, but being stuck in that position kept him alive, so they brought his wife and family to say goodbye before they moved the truck, which they knew would kill him, which reminded me of how stupid people fall for urban legends, and also that the M. Knight Shyamalan movie Signs was loving awful except for that one scene where Joaquin Phoenix is watching TV.

I always wonder why people believe that urban legend. Do they think you're alive because your two body halves are physically close enough to each other even if all the blood vessels and spinal cord are severed?

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


chitoryu12 posted:

I always wonder why people believe that urban legend. Do they think you're alive because your two body halves are physically close enough to each other even if all the blood vessels and spinal cord are severed?

Probably because of a misunderstanding of Compartment Syndrome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartment_syndrome

Shut up Meg
Jan 8, 2019

You're safe here.

chitoryu12 posted:

I always wonder why people believe that urban legend. Do they think you're alive because your two body halves are physically close enough to each other even if all the blood vessels and spinal cord are severed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0tfeJuG7Y0

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


It's a real thing in certain circumstances.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
I would've thought crush syndrome more likely, which is a real phenomenon in which a person is so crushed their muscles release a deadly amount of myoglobin and potassium and other stuff that causes acute kidney failure when the pressure is removed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crush_syndrome

There is also reperfusion injury, which is trauma caused by blood flow suddenly returning to a tissue after a period of hypoxia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reperfusion_injury

So I think it's plausible that someone could be crushed in such a way that they're still talking but essentially dead as soon as they're released.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Z the IVth posted:

Can't you like buy the plans on license for reproduction rather than reinventing the wheel?

Yes and that is the only way that you could ramp up production in a few months, but does not solve the safety or regulatory issues. When you go to build an existing design, you still need to fully qualify that you are making that device and its components in a way that is safe for medical use. Variation that is acceptable for toys could kill people in a ventilator. There will be many and severe quality oversights if you produce medical devices in a facility that is not ready for it, all I'm saying is that its technically possible to just order factories to start making ventilators.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Modest Mao posted:

Lockdown started late january, about as soon as the national government realized the situation, 12 days after the first death and about 2 weeks since it was noted to be a novel virus. idk how you describe that as "let it run rampant for a good long while". They shut down the country during the biggest holiday in the world.

China absolutely set a good standard for how to deal with pandemics, bested by Taiwan and South Korea who had more time advantage and a foreign source, rather than internal. The west is not trying to replicate any of those successes despite having the foresight china lacked and Italy and Spain are showing you the results.

sorry for your racist brain tho

You're an apologist for concentration camps and genocide.

You have no standing to be trying to call out anyone for racism you piece of poo poo.

BMan
Oct 31, 2015

KNIIIIIIFE
EEEEEYYYYE
ATTAAAACK


OctaMurk posted:

Yes and that is the only way that you could ramp up production in a few months, but does not solve the safety or regulatory issues. When you go to build an existing design, you still need to fully qualify that you are making that device and its components in a way that is safe for medical use. Variation that is acceptable for toys could kill people in a ventilator. There will be many and severe quality oversights if you produce medical devices in a facility that is not ready for it, all I'm saying is that its technically possible to just order factories to start making ventilators.

It's already happening:

https://twitter.com/michalnaka/status/1239316241984049152

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Dannywilson posted:

UN/AV/Post combo
Yeah I was about to link them the news about the chinese govt doxx'ing the whistle-blowing doctors and other fun exemplary containment activities he's not worth the time.

evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Mar 16, 2020

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014



I suspect an American hospital that did that would be immediately sued by every lawyer in its state

mostlygray
Nov 1, 2012

BURY ME AS I LIVED, A FREE MAN ON THE CLUTCH

chitoryu12 posted:

Do I just have an iron stomach? I’m always trying different restaurants or cooking, and I travel a ton for work and pleasure, and I’ve never gotten food poisoning, let alone every single Sunday.

Having "Food Poisoning" on Monday just means that you're super hung over. Nothing to do with exotic food. Just people getting too hammered at a football party on Sunday.

Some people don't realize it when they've used the excuse so many times that everyone knows they're lying. Just like coke heads who claim they have "allergies" and that's why they're sniffing all the time.

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost

mostlygray posted:

Some people don't realize it when they've used the excuse so many times that everyone knows they're lying. Just like coke heads who claim they have "allergies" and that's why they're sniffing all the time.

I had a girlfriend once who after several months finally worked up the courage to confront me about my secret coke habit.

She was surprised when I told her I got frequent nosebleeds since I'd had my nose broken twice and had a deviated septum plus allergies.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

Darkrai used Dream Eater!
It's super effective!


sticksy posted:

I had a girlfriend once who after several months finally worked up the courage to confront me about my secret coke habit.

She was surprised when I told her I got frequent nosebleeds since I'd had my nose broken twice and had a deviated septum plus allergies.

Nice cover for your coke habit.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

mostlygray posted:

Having "Food Poisoning" on Monday just means that you're super hung over. Nothing to do with exotic food. Just people getting too hammered at a football party on Sunday.

Some people don't realize it when they've used the excuse so many times that everyone knows they're lying. Just like coke heads who claim they have "allergies" and that's why they're sniffing all the time.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. I had two employees who would both always call out sick and claim food poisoning every Monday or after a holiday. Never any other days. Finally someone spotted one of them and told me that yeah, they were just hungover.

I also had someone who would constantly call out sick and would send a picture of a clinic waiting room as proof, and it turns out they were just faking the pics and actually responding to an anxiety disorder by staying home and smoking massive amounts of weed.

TVs Ian
Jun 1, 2000

Such graceful, delicate creatures.

sticksy posted:

I had a girlfriend once who after several months finally worked up the courage to confront me about my secret coke habit.

She was surprised when I told her I got frequent nosebleeds since I'd had my nose broken twice and had a deviated septum plus allergies.

I get nosebleeds every winter. A combination of blowing my nose a lot and the dry air seems to set it off. It also may be a family thing, my grandmother had to have hers cauterized and she made it sound so horrible that I never did.

Nobody’s ever accused me of having a coke habit (I think I’m too lethargic to look like I have one), but it’s a concern every time it happens at work.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

chitoryu12 posted:

Yeah, that's what I was saying. I had two employees who would both always call out sick and claim food poisoning every Monday or after a holiday. Never any other days. Finally someone spotted one of them and told me that yeah, they were just hungover.

I also had someone who would constantly call out sick and would send a picture of a clinic waiting room as proof, and it turns out they were just faking the pics and actually responding to an anxiety disorder by staying home and smoking massive amounts of weed.

I don't have much sympathy for the frequent hang over sick calls (I mean, once in a while, sure, but when it's a serious pattern it's a problem) but anxiety disorder weed guy is pretty understandable. Pitty they felt the need to fake the excuse, but then that's mental health stigma for you.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Cyrano4747 posted:

I don't have much sympathy for the frequent hang over sick calls (I mean, once in a while, sure, but when it's a serious pattern it's a problem) but anxiety disorder weed guy is pretty understandable. Pitty they felt the need to fake the excuse, but then that's mental health stigma for you.

The sad part is I knew about all of her disorders. She just refused to get any help, then lied and claimed that she was. I ended up accidentally finding her private Tumblr where I found out just how extensive her mental health problems were, including that she had made more than one suicide attempt while working here, and that her boyfriend (who worked for a different company under the same umbrella) had been cheating on her and lying that she was the one cheating to all of his coworkers. It was an utter mess of a situation and I'm glad to not have to deal with that ticking time bomb anymore.

Bacon Taco
Jun 8, 2006

Now with extra narwhal meat!
HAIKOOLIGAN
Dinosaur Gum
When my daughter was a toddler, we had a good friend who was a pediatrician. She pointed out that a lot of things that give you flu-like symptoms are a number of different virus, such as coxsackie virus, and it's not worth diagnosing which specific one you have because the worst symptoms tend to last a day or two at most, and they're not life-threatening. She referred to those ailments as "getting the yuck." When my daughter was in day care and early primary, she'd get the yuck 2-3 times a year, and of course I'd follow. I suspect that's what people, myself included, tend to refer to as "stomach flu."

Serjeant Buzfuz
Dec 5, 2009

The yuck isn't usually gastrointestinal which is what people mean when they say stomach flu.

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost

Bacon Taco posted:

coxsackie virus

Sorry but I :lol:’d at this

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

sticksy posted:

Sorry but I :lol:’d at this
It's named after Coxsackie, NY, where a specimen of the virus was first found. But as we now know, naming viruses after places is racist, so you're literally being racist for laughing at this.

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood

Craptacular posted:

It's named after Coxsackie, NY, where a specimen of the virus was first found. But as we now know, naming viruses after places is racist, so you're literally being racist for laughing at this.

it's not that naming viruses after places is racist, just that republicans figured out a way to be racist while doing it. they're fairly innovative, really the thought leaders in the field tbh.

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Renegret
May 26, 2007

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sticksy posted:

Sorry but I :lol:’d at this

It's one of the bad ones in daycare. It'll sweep through the whole building in a day if not reacted to correctly.

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