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Throughout forums and social media I see talk about the building of a left-wing movement. I see people say that no matter what happens, we’ve built a network, and to get/stay angry. Okay, how do we actually guarantee and use this? I’m sick of learning more and more about what the situation is rather than what to do with it. And “Vote and donate” only goes so far, and leaves me stuck doing nothing outside of election cycles. What direct action can we take for progressive causes and how are they organized? What organizations are already doing this, and in what ways can I contribute and improve them? It seems a major roadblock to me that there has to be a bunch of research involved in answering these questions. There are numerous organizations all jockeying for attention, and it’s hard to tell which ones to spend time on. Information for direct action needs to be compiled in an easy, accessible manner instead of being a bunch of homework. A stronger international progressive movement is something we always hear about, but what are the actual steps to be taken to achieve this? Where can we go to bolster this effort? Are there any easy cheat-sheets for those of us interested in taking action? Quick, brochure-like guides on where to get started, where to devote our time and energy, and how to recruit others. If there aren’t, how do we put one together? I see people talking about keeping the Bernie Movement together moving forward. How do we accomplish this, how do we network all the volunteers of the campaign and continue to leverage this force beyond just the campaign? Organizations Here are some organizations that come to mind, and I’d like forum input on them. I will update the questions with answers as this thread evolves. Democratic Socialists of America https://www.dsausa.org/ Questions: I’ve joined, but have yet to go to my first meeting. For those who’ve attended, for my benefit and others, can you tell us: -What to expect at DSA meetings? Which ones are best to attend when new? -What direct action does the DSA take that I can participate in? -What’s the best way to approach my role as a member, what are Dos and Don’ts? In the same vein as the DSA: International Workers of the World https://www.iww.org/ Party for Socialism and Liberation https://www.pslweb.org/ And their news site, https://www.liberationnews.org/ Run For Something https://runforsomething.net/ A group that encourages the recruitment of Millennial and Zoomer progressive candidates and aids their campaigns.. Questions: How effective have they been? If you’re not running for office, what are the best ways to help them out? Progressive International https://www.progressive-international.org/ Regarding building an international movement... Questions: What IS this? I heard of these guys but their website is sparse. The only options to engage as an individual were to donate or sign up for a newsletter. Is this an organization with any clout to be used? GoonPAC https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3896206 I can see we have a donations thread. Is there something outside of our forums that is worth devoting time and energy to? I’ll add more PACs as they are brought up. Sunrise Movement Concerned with the Green New Deal. https://www.sunrisemovement.org/ What other organizations are you aware of that I should add? Finally, are there any important questions I’ve missed, and where can we find info to answer them? Warlocktopus fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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quote:What kind of candidate are we looking for? Run for Something works exclusively with progressive Millennials and Gen-Zers running for local office for the first or second time. Ageist garbage and excludes most of this forum.
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Mr. Dick posted:Ageist garbage and excludes most of this forum. Lol I know goons are self-conscious about being oldies now but we’re not talking THAT old, probably very few people much over 40 or 45 here
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Warlocktopus posted:Democratic Socialists of America I can answer this - I just went to my first DSA meeting on Sunday, just a couple days ago. I can answer the first two questions. I went to the general meeting of my local DSA chapter - the East Bay DSA. For a meeting, I think it was probably one of the best to join because they went over a lot of general things. There were presentations and updates on various teams and what they were doing (lots of talk about the Bernie campaign, canvassing, and so on), and some motivational pep talk speakers from local union activism. There were a couple of breakout sessions in which the group broke into small groups to discuss things, such as what sort of teams they'd like to get into, and their experiences canvassing for Bernie. The DSA participates in activities like organizing for protest marches and rallies, as well as canvassing and organizing for progressive causes in the area. One of the subgroups I got to join and get involved in was planning the DSA's participation in the upcoming April 22nd Earth Day march in San Francisco. icantfindaname posted:Lol I know goons are self-conscious about being oldies now but we’re not talking THAT old, probably very few people much over 40 or 45 here I am right smack dab in the middle of the millennial generation! So about AOC's age. EDIT: I want to say that I'm not angry. It's just not my personality to get angry at things; I tend to lean into melancholy and despair. And I have to say that joining the DSA was a huge mental release for me. Previously I would get anxious about Bernie's chances and feel terribly sad, but since I joined and became connected to a larger leftist movement, I've felt far less connected emotionally to the successes or failures of Bernie's campaign. Campaigns come and go, but the movement remains. If you're like me, and you can feel the apocalypse thunder in your bones, and the whispers of climate doom on every breath of smoke carried by the wind, get involved. It connects you to something more concrete and meaningful and permanent than just one political campaign or another. DrSunshine fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Mar 10, 2020 |
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All I know is that electoralism alone isn't enough. Maybe mass sustained protests with a charasmatic leader or something like that could help, but we need to fundamentally change the mindset of the electorate before progressive candidates can reliably win on a national level without voters freaking out and defaulting to the "safe" option.
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Next time, we don't toxx for the candidate. It carries a mighty jinx at this point.
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You should add the psl to the list. Also just organize local action. Right now I'm working on trying to get the local concentration camp closed. Also hopefully starting a tenant union
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:You should add the psl to the list. Does PSL = https://www.pslweb.org/ ?
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Donated $50 to RFS. Hope somebody makes good use of it. Edit: What are good offices for progressives to run for while holding a day job? School board and city council? PerniciousKnid fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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If you're trying to get a Bernie Sanders-type elected to the presidency, you've got to win over African-Americans. You can get all the white leftists and Latino/Hispanic persons on your side, but until you can convince African-American voters to go out of their comfort zone they're going to be more moderate in their candidates of choice.
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Edward Mass posted:If you're trying to get a Bernie Sanders-type elected to the presidency, you've got to win over African-Americans. You can get all the white leftists and Latino/Hispanic persons on your side, but until you can convince African-American voters to go out of their comfort zone they're going to be more moderate in their candidates of choice. It was disproportionately older African Americans. Younger African Americans support Bernie. The older African Americans have views consistent in line with over 50's in other demographic groups as well.
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All the people under 40 run for positions in govt until we get it then change social programs to benefit under 50 and turn the tables. Zerg Rush. But really, have good candidates, run for positions in local govts, governor, senate, house, etc. Local and State matters. The youth can be more plugged in and coordinated than the adults but the capital isn’t the same. No positions of influence. Need to get that on our side. I wonder if we start with Media. Gatts fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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I still need to get off my rear end and attend a DSA meeting.
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DrSunshine posted:It was disproportionately older African Americans. Younger African Americans support Bernie. The older African Americans have views consistent in line with over 50's in other demographic groups as well. Younger, as in younger than 30. Now this is just Texas, but it shows that, unlike whites and Latinos, the 30-44 age range went wide for Biden.
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Not to knock on your arguments, but Edward I think this discussion would be better off in the State & Local thread. Getting knee deep in electoral stats here is kind of missing the point of this thread imo.
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Warlocktopus posted:Does PSL = https://www.pslweb.org/ ? Yeah and their news site liberationnews.org
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WOWEE ZOWEE posted:Not to knock on your arguments, but Edward I think this discussion would be better off in the State & Local thread. Getting knee deep in electoral stats here is kind of missing the point of this thread imo. Well, OK then.
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WOWEE ZOWEE posted:Not to knock on your arguments, but Edward I think this discussion would be better off in the State & Local thread. Getting knee deep in electoral stats here is kind of missing the point of this thread imo. Talking about variations in support for a candidate based on age, gender, race, income, etc. and what causes those variations is an appropriate part of a discussion about political movement building. Edward Mass posted:Well, OK then. Please feel free to ignore that poster.
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Helsing posted:Talking about variations in support for a candidate based on age, gender, race, income, etc. and what causes those variations is an appropriate part of a discussion about political movement building. Ok sorry. Go ahead.
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So it seems like the age divide in black voters was apparent in the 2016 Dem primary as well: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna580996 This rules out the idea that older black voters are voting for Biden simply because of his association with Obama. There is a longer term trend of support for more establishment candidates among older black voters (and really in general). Now, something I want to understand is, are there problems specific to older black voters that need to be addressed, or is this more symptomatic of the overall trend that older Dems vote for the establishment? It's probably a little bit of both but the first part of this discussion is understanding where the problems are before coming to any solutions. Going off my own anecdotal experience, I would say black people in general are more religious and socially conservative than other groups. NPR even backs me up: https://www.npr.org/2019/06/15/733081628/barbershop-how-black-votes-frame-the-abortion-issue quote:African American adults are more likely than any other racial group to regularly attend religious services. They are also more likely to say religion is very important in their lives. And data from the Public Religion Research Institute finds that just over half of African Americans believe having an abortion is wrong. However, the same data shows 67% of black Americans believe that abortion should still be legal in all or most cases. Which leads to this broader idea (discussed in the article) that some black voters are conservatives that nonetheless vote D because they believe the Democrats will protect their civil rights while the Republicans will tear them down. This is the tip of the iceberg, nothing too groundbreaking, I just wanted to restart the discussion since I feel a little guilty. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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Another question. Why do Latino voters sway more towards Bernie when there are similar trends of social conservatism among them? Obviously we can pin much of it on Trump and the Republican's immigration policy, but is that all there is to it? You would think Latinos would be all in for the media narrative that we supposedly need Biden to beat Trump given that. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Mar 12, 2020 |
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WOWEE ZOWEE posted:Another question. Biden played a role in deporting a lot of their buddies, IIRC.
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Bernie's also the only candidate spending any effort on outreach to Latino communities from what I can tell
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Relevant article. https://jacobinmag.com/2020/03/bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-results-joe-bidenquote:Where Do We Go After Last Night’s Defeat?
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I could quibble on some of the details, but I think the general thrust is correct. We had the lead for a hot moment, but couldn't retain it against the might of the establishment and team sports thinking. Progressives beed a more solid base to stand on, and that means more true progressives in whatever seats we can find. Fall back for a bit, build a stronger coalition, and come back with a different tack.
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I think Bernie will be uniquely positioned to have a strong hand in reshaping future DNCs to come. Even with the smaller portion of delegates he arrived at in 2016, he was able to push through reforms to the primary system such as taking off the superdelegates to the second ballot. I think he'll arrive at the convention with even more delegates this time and be able to force through even more changes. If there is significant pressure from a mass demonstration outside, I think there could be a lasting impact in the Democratic Party.
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Put all the chips on education reform and wait 10 years. Seriously, send all your donation money to support teacher's strikes and curriculum reforms. Vote on all your school board nominations. When public education makes people smarter rather than dumber, then you will have change.
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We don't have ten years to wait
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:We don't have ten years to wait You should've thought of that 10 years ago. The world isn't going to end, it may get really sucky but it isn't going to end. Long term planning is the only thing that will make the world appreciably better. Short term solutions never address the underlying cause.
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It will in fact end for those who keep dying due to lack of Healthcare. My uncle just loving died to unmanaged diabetes last night I guess I'm not in a good place right now. I just don't see a progressive politician winning when the establishment is fighting it this hard to push someone who was to the right of reagan while reagan was in office. If it happens it'll be so far in the future that it shouldn't be the focus of anyone, use that energy in local matters SSJ_naruto_2003 fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Mar 12, 2020 |
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I think focusing on local politics is the first and right thing to do. Every reasonable solution presented is that we need a build a coalition from the ground up. Sorry about your uncle. I don't know if it's any consolation but know that we're fighting for people like him, you and me.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:It will in fact end for those who keep dying due to lack of Healthcare. My uncle just loving died to unmanaged diabetes last It takes 12 years to realign congress. It takes 10-20 years of realigning primary education before the populous would be informed/not deluded enough to realign congress. The U.S. government is designed to slow and stifle change, it was designed to prevent revolutions, not adapt to decades of ignored knowledge on the immediacy of the needs of the people. Mr. Dick's sorry for your loss, so he's not going to call you a lib, but you're posting in DnD, if you want change to happen at faster rate, it's going to require means which Mr. Dick is almost certain you will be uncomfortable with. Mr. Dick fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Mar 12, 2020 |
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Mr. Dick posted:It takes 12 years to realign congress. It takes 10-20 years of realigning primary education before the populous would be informed/not deluded enough to realign congress. The U.S. government is designed to slow and stifle change, it was designed to prevent revolutions, not adapt to decades of ignored knowledge on the immediacy of the needs of the people. I'm a revolutionary communist, so you're almost certainly wrong there haha. I don't think electoralism will work, but it someone like a Bernie cam conceivably get Medicare for all, then it's a good thing. But clearly even this centrist (for the entire world lmao) position of Healthcare being a right for all citizens is too much for the United States. Tomorrow is hopefully a good day for me, got a number of new people coming to our monthly meeting about shutting down the local jails contract with ICE.
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No Communist Party USA in the OP? http://www.cpusa.org/ Twitter: @communistsusa
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A4R8 posted:No Communist Party USA in the OP? Ah, the good old cop party, USA (all leftist orgs are probably full of cops, that's just one that we have historical accounts for lol)
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Ah, the good old cop party, USA Well Erik Prince just said they’re going to infiltrate leftist groups so... And COINTELPRO never ended.
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