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Karia posted:Jrod, what is your opinion on this story about price gouging? Clearly the problem is that the government didn't step in and force Amazon to be an open market with traditional gunship diplomacy The correct price of sanitiser is whatever the nearest idiot can be coerced and frightened into paying to stock up on it But let's not lose sight of the prize here folks, JRod, you said that New Zealand was Libertarian. Why did you say this?
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I have a feeling jrod has realized just how badly he's hosed up on the New Zealand and it's gonna be awhile before he can either think of a justification or he believes it's been long enough we'll have forgotten.
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Somfin posted:JRod, you said that New Zealand was Libertarian. Why did you say this? Look, if we want the bottomless well of comedy that is the libertarian psyche, we're going to have to give him a pass on these unanswerable questions, like, "Are Nazis bad?" and "Why is everything you say demonstrably wrong?' Also, he needs to bring more friends from whatever libertarian Utopia he came from. It's going to be a long time under self-quarantine, I need the laughs. I guess, what I'm saying is, that we should start subsidizing libertarian entertainment ITT.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I guess, what I'm saying is, that we should start subsidizing libertarian entertainment ITT. What kind of statist talk is this? If libertarians are more than willing to make fools of themselves for free, it would be immoral to provide them material compensation for it.
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Mar 15, 2020 02:39
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What is the Libertarian opinion on QAnon?
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Who What Now posted:I have a feeling jrod has realized just how badly he's hosed up on the New Zealand and it's gonna be awhile before he can either think of a justification or he believes it's been long enough we'll have forgotten. Oh, absolutely. I just want to make sure that he gets nailed to the wall with it when he decides to show up and start waffling on about some core concept again
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Somfin posted:Oh, absolutely. I just want to make sure that he gets nailed to the wall with it when he decides to show up and start waffling on about some core concept again Look, I'm trying to go bird watching, and you are circling the area with an air-horn. Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Mar 15, 2020 |
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Somfin posted:Oh, absolutely. I just want to make sure that he gets nailed to the wall with it when he decides to show up and start waffling on about some core concept again Look, I can tell you right now what his answer is, and it's honestly not very interesting. The list isn't trying to rank countries on how libertarian they are, it's ranking them on how free they are (this is actually true: the word libertarian does not appear in the body of the study.) Freedom is a nebulous, abstract concept, and all he wanted to do was demonstrate that countries that are generally thought of as "better" tend to be more free than countries which are generally thought of as "worse". The list is just supposed to show general trends, and the position of any single country on the list isn't very significant. When you accept that simple linear trend, it suggests that you can extrapolate out further to hypothetical countries which are even more free, and thus even better. According to his axioms, libertarianism is a state of perfect freedom (or as close as you can possibly get.) A country that's libertarian would be the most free, and therefore the best, according to that simple extrapolation. Imagine that, but stretched out over ten times as many words. It's BS, of course, but you're not going to get anywhere by attacking single countries on the list. We should move on to more interesting, and less abstract, topics. The more concrete the arguments are, the less wiggle room there is for "first principles."
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Karia posted:Look, I can tell you right now what his answer is, and it's honestly not very interesting. The list isn't trying to rank countries on how libertarian they are, it's ranking them on how free they are (this is actually true: the word libertarian does not appear in the body of the study.) Freedom is a nebulous, abstract concept, and all he wanted to do was demonstrate that countries that are generally thought of as "better" tend to be more free than countries which are generally thought of as "worse". The list is just supposed to show general trends, and the position of any single country on the list isn't very significant. When you accept that simple linear trend, it suggests that you can extrapolate out further to hypothetical countries which are even more free, and thus even better. According to his axioms, libertarianism is a state of perfect freedom (or as close as you can possibly get.) A country that's libertarian would be the most free, and therefore the best, according to that simple extrapolation. Oh, I wasn't talking about New Zealand's position on the list, it was this part: polymathy posted:Especially the two countries at the very top of this list, New Zealand and Switzerland, come fairly close to a libertarian ideal in terms of their economic policies. Both have relatively low public debt and are very decentralized societies. Those were his fuckin words, his interpretation of the list, his idea about New Zealand and its structure.
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Mods please rename the thread to "Libertarians: Answer the questions about New Zealand, JRod"
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JRod, how do you feel about watermelons grown in New Zealand?
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I love you all. Also, I know my last post was low effort, but in my defense, I was running on three hours of sleep and potentially looking at being quarantined for corona-exposure. But now that I'm more awake, let's see if we can't polish my latest little sticking-point a bit more: JRod, you claim that we cannot say that the entirety of America belonged to its indigenous peoples prior to or just after the arrival of Europeans. Why can we not make such a claim? By what reason do you make this assertion? Or, if you like this better: By what right could any European colonist lay any claim to land in the Americas?
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TLM3101 posted:By what right could any European colonist lay any claim to land in the Americas? There is an important libertarian principle I believe we are all forgetting that perfectly explains the fair colonization of America: "Move your feet, lose your seat."
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Cpt_Obvious posted:"Move your feet, lose your seat."
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Cpt_Obvious posted:There is an important libertarian principle I believe we are all forgetting that perfectly explains the fair colonization of America: I mean, I have a suspicion as to what the justification will be, but I\m curious to see just what flavour of it we'll get to see.
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Guavanaut posted:This, but as an order rather than an action/consequence. The action of moving one's seat causes the losing of one's seat. This is a common law acknowledged by even the most ignorant of children, ergo thus verily. Retort.
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TLM3101 posted:
"After all, by no rational standard could it be said that the Polish owned the entire country of Poland  "
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TLM3101 posted:JRod, you claim that we cannot say that the entirety of America belonged to its indigenous peoples prior to or just after the arrival of Europeans. Of course not, they didn't put any fences around it
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Who What Now posted:Of course not, they didn't put any fences around it There was a significant lack of their labor ejaculated into the land.
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How would that work with Australia? The original inhabitants mixed so much of their labor with the land that when the first Brits arrived they described it as a gigantic well tended country garden. Now that's been disrupted and it's on fire, maybe that's a case for giving it back.
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Guavanaut posted:How would that work with Australia? The original inhabitants mixed so much of their labor with the land that when the first Brits arrived they described it as a gigantic well tended country garden.
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I don't doubt that Native Americans mixed their labor with the land, but also a big chunk of the land would still have been inhabitable even if they hadn't. Also only the West Coast and some small parts of the South randomly self-incinerates because of this being interrupted. 
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polymathy posted:
It loving isn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hills#20th_century_land_claims
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Alhazred posted:It loving isn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hills#20th_century_land_claims It would be very difficult for JRod to personally do it, for various reading-related reasons, so he thinks that it would be difficult for any individual person to accomplish even any part of the task. Turns out it's not all that hard for a government agency with lots of human hours to put toward the cause.
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Also if you're going into the process throwing roadblock after roadblock into your own way for the express yet carefully hidden purpose of making sure it doesn't succeed, then yeah, of course it's going to be "hard" or "impossible despite our best efforts" 
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Nearly all of the land in the united states is stolen and nearly every native person had their land stolen from their ancestors. Are you saying that if we can't pair up exactly who stole what from whom on an individual level, the onwership is now legitimate and no justice is required? I have the perfect crime. I'm going to steal your TV. However, I'm also going to steal another TV from someone with the same model TV. Then, I'm going to mix them up so you can't tell which is which. I am now immune from all prosecution.
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Dr. Stab posted:Nearly all of the land in the united states is stolen and nearly every native person had their land stolen from their ancestors. Are you saying that if we can't pair up exactly who stole what from whom on an individual level, the onwership is now legitimate and no justice is required?
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Weatherman posted:Mods please rename the thread to "Libertarians: Answer the questions about New Zealand, JRod" unfortunately the current title is too good request denied
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VitalSigns posted:Look those TVs were stolen in the past, it was a different time, we must look forward and declare that taking TVs is wrong starting now. Now if you'll excuse me I need to set up my new TVs You can't seriously expect me to remember who I stole this TV from, can you? That means I get to keep it.
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Dr. Stab posted:
"Your honor, I would like to present my first evidence against the defendant. A loving painting showing him stealing TVs": 
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If I'm a landlord and I change the tenancy contract to say "the tenant agrees that I now own their TV" and their choice is between being kicked out and the time cost of finding new accommodation or losing ownership of their TV, how many libertarian points do I get? If I do the same but I'm an elected authority how many do I lose?
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Panfilo posted:So how does Galt's Gulch handle a pandemic?
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Further cementing New Zealand's credentials as a libertarian paradise, the government just took the pandemic as an excuse to permanently increase the unemployment benefit by 25 bucks a week
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https://twitter.com/wongkarwax/status/1239733301562298368?s=21
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It's over 18?
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Billy Gnosis posted:It's over 18?  Edit: IDGI either, but I like this answer.
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https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/ron-paul/the-coronavirus-hoax/ no quotes. no commentary. this is Dr. Ron Paul, a loving medical doctor, saying it's a hoax, nothing to worry about, only killed 100 people LUL. loving christ.
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Golbez posted:https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/ron-paul/the-coronavirus-hoax/ Ron Paul finally steps up to kill you’re parents
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For a libertarian he is very distrustful of the market's ability to make the correct decision and the market seems to believe it's real lol.
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OwlFancier posted:For a libertarian he is very distrustful of the market's ability to make the correct decision and the market seems to believe it's real lol. The markets are worries about the government's over-reaction, obviously.
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