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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Mozi posted:

https://twitter.com/ChasMorrison/status/1239655709681299458?s=20

it's going to be very difficult to prevent this from working and the only way to do so would be to suddenly start doing an extremely competent job ourselves

Also, to stop doing poo poo like this:

Trump 'offers large sums' for exclusive US access to coronavirus vaccine

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Shadow0
Jun 16, 2008


If to live in this style is to be eccentric, it must be confessed that there is something good in eccentricity.

Grimey Drawer
The debate on what to call the drink is quite clear.

If you consult the ancient Chinese texts where it's first referenced, you'll see that the Chinese have been calling it "bubble tea" for millennia.


The Americans, however, became confused and unable to pronounce this foreign word and started referring to it as "boba tea" - obviously in reference to the distinctively American word "boba."

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Shadow0 posted:

The debate on what to call the drink is quite clear.

If you consult the ancient Chinese texts where it's first referenced, you'll see that the Chinese have been calling it "bubble tea" for millennia.


The Americans, however, became confused and unable to pronounce this foreign word and started referring to it as "boba tea" - obviously in reference to the distinctively American word "boba."

didnt a taiwan national make it popular in the us and he called it that?

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Mozi posted:

https://twitter.com/ChasMorrison/status/1239655709681299458?s=20

it's going to be very difficult to prevent this from working and the only way to do so would be to suddenly start doing an extremely competent job ourselves

It would be vastly entertaining if the psychopathic elite were drawn into helping the poor survive this in order to say that they beat China.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
Bubble tea chat is giving me flashbacks to when I lived in MA and the town I lived in had an inordinate amount of bubble tea shops. Like, places that only did bubble tea. There were something like three on Main Street. I think they’ve died back down to a sustainable level but it was so weird.

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood
i'm within a half hour walk of 5-7 places that i know of which specialize either in burble tree or froyo and this is only possible because the three colleges which are my neighbors can only suvive economically by bulk importing rich international students. mass is wacky like that.

doesn't even matter which kind of international. if you want to hold court with literal sheiks while enjoying some cake batter froyo i know just the place. there's an illegal hookah lounge and nightclub in the basement. it's up the street from a private albanian coffee club, which somehow manages to always have live soccer playing, even at 4AM.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.
Football is always live somewhere.

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

Since when do only international students like bubble tea and froyo?

Frozen yogurts great probably gonna get some tomorrow now just cuz you mentioned it.

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood
the only folks i see in these shops are international students or otaku trying to date them. why the hell would someone be an otaku for poland? poltaku. pierogi aren't even originally polish. polka sucks.

now, Korea on the other hand, that's the thinking dweeb's obsession.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


BrigadierSensible posted:

I assumed it was a stupid American thing. Like calling coriander 'cilantro', chick peas 'garbanzo beans' and affordable healthcare 'socialist heresy'
Coriander and cilantro is a useful distinction, though. The seeds are coriander, the leaves/stems are cilantro. Cf. dill seed and dill weed.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Nutmeg and mace should both be called nutmeg imo

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

Chinese internet is actually turning against Sun Yang after his trial video or whatever. Did not expect that.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Bubble tea is the drink, boba are the things inside the drink. That's how it was in Singapore.

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

Megillah Gorilla posted:

You mean kombucha?

Smelling it before I tried drinking it was definitely a tactical error on my part.

no i mean something like this:



which i guess is thai but I think there are similar things around Asia, like chaga/reishi tea. Or maybe those are just an American abomination?

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood
the packages sold in asian markets are labeled anything from "tapioca pearls" to "boba pearls" to "tapioca boba." is there a special name for the juice-filled bubbles? those I only see at White People Froyo joints.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Mozi posted:

https://twitter.com/ChasMorrison/status/1239655709681299458?s=20

it's going to be very difficult to prevent this from working and the only way to do so would be to suddenly start doing an extremely competent job ourselves

They have a "friendly" history with China, but I'm betting they very recently accepted a large donation from the CCP.



That would have been a nice reelection coup for Trump. "I personally created the vaccine that cured America! YUUUUUUUGEEEEE!"

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

PHIZ KALIFA posted:

the packages sold in asian markets are labeled anything from "tapioca pearls" to "boba pearls" to "tapioca boba." is there a special name for the juice-filled bubbles? those I only see at White People Froyo joints.

popping bubbles

they are made via a complicated (for cooks, not like actual difficult synthesis) chemical process and last like a day or so so you gotta buy constitutent chemicals

Fumble
Sep 4, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 9 days!

Blistex posted:

They have a "friendly" history with China, but I'm betting they very recently accepted a large donation from the CCP.


Didnt America shwack the embassy there?

CIGNX
May 7, 2006

You can trust me

Blistex posted:

They have a "friendly" history with China, but I'm betting they very recently accepted a large donation from the CCP.

The money is not even hidden as donations. The Serbian government is openly stating that they depend on Chinese investment to prop up economic growth

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...r-idUSKCN1U71VG

quote:

The Serbian government hopes that infrastructure deals will give a boost to country’s economy. It is expected by the IMF and central bank to grow by 3.5% this year, down from 4.4% a year earlier, and around 4% annually between 2020 and 2022.

“The state must start new investments if it wants continuous economic growth or we could have major problems,” said Mihajlovic who also serves as the Deputy Prime Minister in Ana Brnabic’s Cabinet.

To achieve that, Belgrade plans to invest up to 8 billion euros in the medium term in infrastructure, mainly through deals funded by China, but also Russia, Turkey and Azerbaijan, as part of a wider 10 billion euro development plan made public by President Aleksandar Vucic last month.

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Over the past decade, Chinese companies bought Serbia’s sole copper mine, a steel plant and invested in power production. In 2017 Serbia and Hungary also started construction of a Chinese-funded rail link between Belgrade and Budapest.

Mihajlovic sought to dispel fears Serbia could overburden itself with debt levels similar to that of Montenegro which borrowed heavily from China to build its own highway.

“We did not start anything without being sure we could offer guarantees for it,” she said.


The Montenegro highway project mentioned cost around $1 billion. If that debt level was too much, then surely 8 billion euros is more manageable.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
https://twitter.com/carolyujiayin/status/1239583581325778944?s=12

This is some thick astroturf. Does no one realize the surveillance apparatus was in place for decades before this virus, failed to stop it and won't be turned off when it's run its course?

Imagine having the gall to leverage on your own plague to normalize one of the worst things about your society.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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The current phase of the outbreak in the West has prompted an embarrassing amount of "China number 1" rhetoric from morons. It's only been a few weeks and these dumbasses have forgotten that all of this was caused by China in the first place and it is frankly outrageous that China would so opportunistically take advantage of a crisis that they caused. And because this outbreak has had the side effect of making everyone scared and stupid, it's working.

It's the Paris Accords all over again

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

BrigadierSensible posted:

Like calling coriander 'cilantro', chick peas 'garbanzo beans'

"Cilantro" is specifically a Spanish loanword iirc, and more people know it as cilantro than coriander here because you typically see it in the context of Latin American food. I believe "garbanzo bean" might be a similar situation, but I'm less sure on that one.

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

I was always under the impression people said boba tea because that's what they call it in taiwan. At least that's what someone from HK told me

MyronMulch
Nov 12, 2006

show bobas and vaccine

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

Wow, the CCP kicked out pretty much all the NYT / WaPo / WSJ journalists. Won't be able to work from Hong Kong either.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/business/media/china-expels-american-journalists.html

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


They should all go to HK and force Beijing to kick them out. Not that I think many people in HK believe China respects their sovereignty anymore, but still. Make them violate their own agreements to do it.

E: Then move them all to Taiwan and report on China from there.

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

MyronMulch posted:

show bobas and vaccine

thread title please

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Jeoh posted:

Wow, the CCP kicked out pretty much all the NYT / WaPo / WSJ journalists. Won't be able to work from Hong Kong either.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/business/media/china-expels-american-journalists.html

I wonder what big thing the chinese communist regime is planning to lie about, where they wouldn't want foreign journalists around to say otherwise.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

d0s posted:

thread title please
Holy poo poo :sickos:

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

a lot of uk/us food word differences are due to stuff becoming popularized after the americas were colonized by the english. usually it is England being lazy and using a French word while North Americans use some other thing.

cilantro is the Spanish word, coriander is from French.

Aubergine is just the french word for the thing, eggplant is an original English word for the same plant

courgette is french, the US decided to be wacky and use zucchini which is italian on this one!!!

etc...

Shumagorath posted:

https://twitter.com/carolyujiayin/status/1239583581325778944?s=12

This is some thick astroturf. Does no one realize the surveillance apparatus was in place for decades before this virus, failed to stop it and won't be turned off when it's run its course?

Imagine having the gall to leverage on your own plague to normalize one of the worst things about your society.

If you live in China this poo poo is like barely a half step forward from the amount of surveillance they already do so no one gives a poo poo because it makes them feel marginally safer and is close to 0 extra work on their part. 99% of expats here don't really care about this cuz we all assume the gov. is already watching us all the time anyway. I'm not saying this makes it right but it's why no one who has lived in China for any period of time is even blinking at this stuff. Also I don't really think that video is saying "hey wow look how great this is!!! It's not bad at all guys!" it's way more just explaining the system????

I was more weirded out when I had to download a special app to track me from the Korean government when I transferred through Incheon cuz while I expect that stuff from China I did not from Korea.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
It's not meant for mainland viewers though; the video is in English to make the communist party's brand of authoritarian surveillance look good and necessary. It exports that model to other cultures and squelches human rights arguments.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus
It's funny how rights in every country vanish when there is a problem.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

MyronMulch posted:

show bobas and vaccine

Barudak
May 7, 2007

A beautiful world with beautiful places to visit

Barudak fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jun 28, 2021

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Barudak posted:

This talk of the thread title not having always been show bobas and vaccine is disharmonious
Plz imagine a big red hall of party members going :golfclap:

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

ded posted:

It's funny how rights in every country vanish when there is a problem.

But there's always been a problem in Chi-

Oh. Oh I see.

Well played.

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Despite all of these shortcomings, the Sten still has a long track record of shooting people right in the face.
College Slice
This whole article by Michael Auslin is great. Just some snippets below

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/beijing_fears_covid-19_is_turning_point_for_china_globalization__142686.html

quote:

Beijing Fears COVID-19 Is Turning Point for China, Globalization

While the world fights the coronavirus pandemic, China is fighting a propaganda war. Beijing’s war aim is simple: shift away from China all blame for the outbreak, the botched initial response, and its early spread into the broader world. At stake is China’s global reputation, as well as the potential of a fundamental shift away from China for trade and manufacturing. Also at risk is the personal legacy of General Secretary Xi Jinping, who has staked his legitimacy on his technocratic competence. After dealing with the first great global crisis of the 21st century, the world must fundamentally rethink its dependence on China.

...

What Beijing cares about is clear from its sustained war on global public opinion. Chinese propaganda mouthpieces have launched a broad array of attacks against the facts, attempting to create a new narrative about China’s historic victory over the Wuhan virus. Chinese state media is praising the government’s “effective, responsible governance," but the truth is that Beijing is culpable for the spread of the pathogen around China and the world. Chinese officials knew about the new virus back in December, and did nothing to warn their citizens or impose measures to curb it early on.

Unsurprisingly, China also has enablers abroad helping to whitewash Beijing’s culpability. World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus refused for months to declare a pandemic, andinstead thanked China for “making us safer,” a comment straight out of an Orwell novel. This is the same WHO that has refused to allow Taiwan membership, due undoubtedly to Beijing’s influence over the WHO’s purse strings.

Most egregiously, some Chinese government officials have gone so far as to claim that the Wuhan virus was not indigenous to China at all, while others, like Mr. Tedros, suggest that China’s response somehow bought the world “time” to deal with the crisis. That such lines are being repeated by global officials and talking heads shows how effectively China’s propaganda machine is shaping the global narrative. The world is quickly coming to praise the Communist Party’s governance model, instead of condemn it.

The reality is that China did not tell its own people about the risk for weeks and refused to let in major foreign epidemiological teams, including from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control. Thus, the world could not get accurate information and laboratory samples early on. By then, it was too late to stop the virus from spreading, and other world capitals were as lax in imposing meaningful travel bans and quarantines as was Beijing.
...

Regardless of how much some governments and global voices praise China, Xi and the Communist Party care about dominating the propaganda war because the Wuhan virus has stood their nation on a razor’s edge. Xi’s own legitimacy is not merely at stake. His government is ferociously fighting to divert blame and attention, fearing that the world rightfully may utterly reassess modern China, from its technocratic prowess to its safety. Decades of a carefully curated global image may crumble if nations around the globe start paying attention to China’s lax public health care, incompetent and intrusive government, and generally less developed domestic conditions.

...

That carefully tended image is now cracked. Those concerned with global health issues may wonder why it is that China is wracked regularly by viral epidemics in addition to coronavirus, such as SARS, African Swine Fever, and avian flu (another outbreak is happening right now). Others may begin to look more carefully at China’s environmental devastation and the hundreds of thousands of premature deaths each year from air and water pollution.

...

The coronavirus pandemic is a turning point for China and the world. Today, Washington and other global capitals are solely responsible for the success or failure of their own efforts to control the Wuhan virus. In the short term, however, they should not let Mr. Xi and China get away with rewriting the history of the epidemic. In the longer run, they must look to reform globalization by prudently reshaping their economies and societies in the shadow of future crises.



threelemmings
Dec 4, 2007
A jellyfish!

Sten Freak posted:

Those concerned with global health issues may wonder why it is that China is wracked regularly by viral epidemics in addition to coronavirus, such as SARS, African Swine Fever, and avian flu (another outbreak is happening right now)

I never actually stopped and thought about this, mostly just chalked it up to population density. Are there actual structural reasons that makes China more vulnerable (beyond stuff like certain climates helping disease prosper and wealth/lack thereof like you can see in Africa)? Does the slightly racist "Chinese medicine = exposure to weird animals" actually contribute or is that coincidental, given that people world-wide eat basically all animals and so should be getting exposed there too?

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

threelemmings posted:

I never actually stopped and thought about this, mostly just chalked it up to population density. Are there actual structural reasons that makes China more vulnerable (beyond stuff like certain climates helping disease prosper and wealth/lack thereof like you can see in Africa)? Does the slightly racist "Chinese medicine = exposure to weird animals" actually contribute or is that coincidental, given that people world-wide eat basically all animals and so should be getting exposed there too?

Noting the existence of some communities in China having exposure to more and a greater variety of wild animals (including known disease vectors) due to TCM, wet markets, etc. is a fact and not inherently racist, though certainly some people leverage that fact to make statements that are racist or racist dog-whistles.

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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


LimburgLimbo posted:

Noting the existence of some communities in China having exposure to more and a greater variety of wild animals (including known disease vectors) due to TCM, wet markets, etc. is a fact and not inherently racist, though certainly some people leverage that fact to make statements that are racist or racist dog-whistles.

Yep. It is a legitimate factor, though the majority of why China spawns diseases so often is that the southern half or so of China is an excellent climate environment for disease and China is crazy densely populated compared to most places. Outbreaks are also more dangerous in China because it's so well connected to the rest of the world.

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