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That Works posted:The end result of impeachment might have been the same but I think the general enthusiasm and integrity of the party were harmed a lot by doing what they did. It was obvious from day 1 that they could impeach trump and that the Senate would not convict. I think it harmed the Dems a lot more than being more active. Time will tell I guess since we are just talking hypotheticals. There's a lot to criticize the Dem House leadership for, but in this particular case I think they made the right choice. Keep in mind, everyone knew that there was no way in hell the Senate Republicans would vote to convict and remove—so if the Democrats wanted impeachment to matter, it had to make as big of an impact on the media and on voters as possible. And in that regard, Ukraine was perfect: it was a simple crime, easy for voters to understand (President GoodBrains tried to shake down a foreign nation to generate dirt on a political rival) while still being filled with enough layers of criminality for new explosive revelations to detonate in the media week after week. In addition, multiple officials within the administration were willing to risk their careers and defy Trump by testifying, with Lt. Colonel Vindman in particular becoming a household name. This had the overall effect of creating a massive media narrative that dominated coverage for months, in a way that any other impeachment effort likely would have failed to do—and not only did it damage the President, it damaged a number of very vulnerable Senate Republicans like Susan Collins that need to be beaten in November. Really, what it comes down to is that while the Senate trial was an anticlimactic farce, we haven't yet seen the end results of impeachment. That is going to come in November, not just for Trump but for everyone who voted to defend him.
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Mar 17, 2020 16:31
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Mar 17, 2020 16:31
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Acebuckeye13 posted:There's a lot to criticize the Dem House leadership for, but in this particular case I think they made the right choice. Keep in mind, everyone knew that there was no way in hell the Senate Republicans would vote to convict and remove—so if the Democrats wanted impeachment to matter, it had to make as big of an impact on the media and on voters as possible. And in that regard, Ukraine was perfect: it was a simple crime, easy for voters to understand (President GoodBrains tried to shake down a foreign nation to generate dirt on a political rival) while still being filled with enough layers of criminality for new explosive revelations to detonate in the media week after week. In addition, multiple officials within the administration were willing to risk their careers and defy Trump by testifying, with Lt. Colonel Vindman in particular becoming a household name. This had the overall effect of creating a massive media narrative that dominated coverage for months, in a way that any other impeachment effort likely would have failed to do—and not only did it damage the President, it damaged a number of very vulnerable Senate Republicans like Susan Collins that need to be beaten in November. I was under the (possibly incorrect?) impression that the Ukraine stuff happened and then more or less forced Pelosi et al to start actually going with impeachment. While the timing of it can be interpreted as beneficial to help Senate elections etc, if they wanted to play it that way they'd have held it in the house and released it to the Senate just a few weeks ago as primary campaigning ramped up. To me it seems like they were just gonna sit on it and do nothing (shocking) and only did so because WH just kept getting dumber.
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Mar 17, 2020 16:33
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Sorry but I don’t care what excuses you give for Democrat action/inaction since 2015. Cool, I’ll let them off the hook for the last four years but if the Democrats lose to Trump in November, it is 100% on them, whether they run Biden or Bernie. You might be able to convince me that Republicans are dismantling our election safeguards and begging for things to be interfered with, but I still don’t think that’s an excuse to lose to Donald loving Trump.
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Mar 17, 2020 16:38
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Woofer posted:Sorry but I don’t care what excuses you give for Democrat action/inaction; if the Democrats lose to Trump in November, it is 100% on them, whether they run Biden or Bernie. Dems still won in 2016, even with depressed turnout. Electoral college said 'lol no' for the second time in living memory. Gerrymandering has only gotten a lot worse. You cannot blame the Dems for that, solely. I don't know what to say aside from that. Spin up a new party, I suppose, and hope the right spins off a viable libertarian party so the opposition doesn't all flock to Republicans in the hellworld this plague spawns.
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Mar 17, 2020 16:41
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That Works posted:I was under the (possibly incorrect?) impression that the Ukraine stuff happened and then more or less forced Pelosi et al to start actually going with impeachment. While the timing of it can be interpreted as beneficial to help Senate elections etc, if they wanted to play it that way they'd have held it in the house and released it to the Senate just a few weeks ago as primary campaigning ramped up. To me it seems like they were just gonna sit on it and do nothing (shocking) and only did so because WH just kept getting dumber. I think (And this is entirely speculation) that it was a mixture of both, with Dems in leadership like Pelosi reluctant to impeach unless it was for something that could generate maximum impact that they could get the entire party behind. And there were certainly those who didn't want to impeach at all until events and other members of the party forced their hands (IIRC there were definitely at least a few of those). I do think though that regardless if the Dems were actually highly calculating or spineless idiots (or both), the actual decision to impeach for Ukraine and not for something earlier was the right move. It's just hard to imagine an impeachment over, say, the Mueller report (Which pretty much everyone had said they were waiting on previously, and which had been ground into irrelevance by the media and Republicans over the previous two years) generating nearly the same kind of impact.
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Mar 17, 2020 16:43
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Old Boot posted:Dems still won in 2016, even with depressed turnout. Electoral college said 'lol no' for the second time in living memory. A new socialist party, being publicly owned, every election cycle would be ironic.
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Mar 17, 2020 16:46
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That Works posted:A new socialist party, being publicly owned, every election cycle would be ironic. This got a much-needed laugh out of me, thank you.
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Mar 17, 2020 16:47
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That Works posted:I was under the (possibly incorrect?) impression that the Ukraine stuff happened and then more or less forced Pelosi et al to start actually going with impeachment. While the timing of it can be interpreted as beneficial to help Senate elections etc, if they wanted to play it that way they'd have held it in the house and released it to the Senate just a few weeks ago as primary campaigning ramped up. To me it seems like they were just gonna sit on it and do nothing (shocking) and only did so because WH just kept getting dumber. I think it had the added benefit of "This is happening right now, right here" instead of "He did these things prior to the election or over a year ago" and that's part of the calculus in why Pelosi et al started moving forward on impeachment. Acebuckeye13 posted:I do think though that regardless if the Dems were actually highly calculating or spineless idiots (or both), the actual decision to impeach for Ukraine and not for something earlier was the right move. It's just hard to imagine an impeachment over, say, the Mueller report (Which pretty much everyone had said they were waiting on previously, and which had been ground into irrelevance by the media and Republicans over the previous two years) generating nearly the same kind of impact. Yeah, pretty much this. That Works posted:A new socialist party, being publicly owned, every election cycle would be ironic. 
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Mar 17, 2020 16:49
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Old Boot posted:This got a much-needed laugh out of me, thank you. 
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Mar 17, 2020 16:53
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That Works posted:A new socialist party, being publicly owned, every election cycle would be ironic. Heh
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Mar 17, 2020 16:55
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Handsome Ralph posted:I think it had the added benefit of "This is happening right now, right here" instead of "He did these things prior to the election or over a year ago" and that's part of the calculus in why Pelosi et al started moving forward on impeachment. That, and all the other obviously impeachable poo poo was playing really well with his base, and the Republicans were unshakably in lock-step behind him. More importantly, you can't really pull the impeachment trigger twice. You do it at all, you'd best make it count.
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Mar 17, 2020 16:55
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Trump has Mnuchin speaking right now about how there might be work stoppage relief checks of about $1000 going out in the next couple weeks. But what Trump really wants is a payroll tax holiday which somehow will help the people whose jobs were ordered to close by ????
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Mar 17, 2020 17:03
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Internet Wizard posted:Trump has Mnuchin speaking right now about how there might be work stoppage relief checks of about $1000 going out in the next couple weeks. https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1239938361231585286?s=20 And then you've got these ghouls out there loving pushing the same broken for 99.9% of society ideology
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Mar 17, 2020 17:09
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Giving money to rich people always helps the poor, man. You gotta help those "job creators" instead of those "job consumers". Otherwise it leads to "job overpredation"
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Mar 17, 2020 17:09
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1239938361231585286?s=20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMHCw3RqulY
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Mar 17, 2020 17:10
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:Really feel like we're only a couple of days from it popping up everywhere. It already is, we just can't/won't test for it.
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Mar 17, 2020 17:13
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1239938361231585286?s=20 Ghouls is 100% the right word, gently caress.
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Mar 17, 2020 17:28
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Ghouls is 100% the right word, gently caress. Just gonna casually keep my mouth shut about what we should do to these people. But it's a lot of fun to think about.
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Mar 17, 2020 17:30
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Just gonna casually keep my mouth shut about what we should do to these people.
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Mar 17, 2020 17:41
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Just gonna casually keep my mouth shut about what we should do to these people. Nobody cares dude.
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Mar 17, 2020 17:55
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Just gonna casually keep my mouth shut about what we should do to these people. The toughest guy on the internet right here, folks.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:03
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My initial test was negative. As I still have unexplained pneumonia and they do not know the false negative rate, I might be tested again. Waiting on the VA.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:07
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Why is the Democratic Party addicted to tax credits instead of direct payments? Every benefit they propose feels like something the Army would offer. The headline sounds great, "$10,000 Bonus!" then you find out that it's taxed and paid out monthly over a period of 5 years.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:08
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SimonCat posted:Why is the Democratic Party addicted to tax credits instead of direct payments? Cause they’re owned by corporate interests, op.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:10
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SimonCat posted:Why is the Democratic Party addicted to tax credits instead of direct payments? I think it's all about how the thing is actually done, rather than the effect itself. Even the Bush check was just a tax cut sent out early and I think administered by the IRS itself. Either you build up a new system from scratch (Treasury?), use Social Security system/records in some way, use the IRS, or use unemployment insurance. I don't think there's actually a system capable of just processing "send out X amount of money" in existence. Even the states wouldn't have good records for this kind of thing - drivers license would miss tons of folks, other systems would have issues with addresses, and none of the software/auditing would be setup to handle this.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:15
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Anyone else have a SO that is freaking the gently caress out? I can't figure out how to calm her down.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:15
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Tax credits also is how they're trying to get around the concept of "but then everyone would get it" because American politicians are addicted to means testing.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:15
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Went to bed with discomfort in right chest, woke up with it in both. Welp it was nice knowing ya. No fever though
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Mar 17, 2020 18:19
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On the bright side I feel relieved I can scratch my face now that I'm doomed.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:21
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SimonCat posted:Why is the Democratic Party addicted to tax credits instead of direct payments? Fixed that for you.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:21
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Milo and POTUS posted:Went to bed with discomfort in right chest, woke up with it in both. Welp it was nice knowing ya. No fever though Had a stuffy nose for a few weeks and had a mild cough this morning, been spending most of the day trying to remember what pneumonia feels like for comparison and avoiding saying anything that'll panic my fiance
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Mar 17, 2020 18:23
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ASAPI posted:Anyone else have a SO that is freaking the gently caress out? I can't figure out how to calm her down. Yep. I started teaching her best practices, 1st aid and trauma aid, got food and stores and did everything I could to make her feel safe. But she's the child of Serbian immigrants and her dad fought so there's always an underlying paranoia. To all you guys who are having some sort of cold flu allergy maybe death symptoms just remember that a fever is the big indicator. So don't assume the worst until you have a fever and then when you have a fever assume you have the flu but take precautions. If you're feeling sick stay home.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:27
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If you have a fever and a dry cough you're in trouble. If you have a fever and a cough and you're making GBS threads yourself, you have the flu.
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Mar 17, 2020 18:31
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bird cooch posted:Yep. I started teaching her best practices, 1st aid and trauma aid, got food and stores and did everything I could to make her feel safe. Yeah, covered all that stuff. She panics when she sees others panic. I was hoping my staying calm would rub off. Instead I'm calm because, "I'm dead inside and the Army killed off any empathy I ever had". Granted she isn't completely wrong....
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Mar 17, 2020 18:41
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i keep a themometer in my pocket now
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Mar 17, 2020 18:48
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Mr. Nice! posted:All florida bars/nightclubs closed for one month starting at 5pm today per order of governor desantis. Slam that barn door shut
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Mar 17, 2020 18:53
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:i keep a themometer in my pocket now Everyone knows the best method for temperature-taking is the Mom technique: •Apply back of hand directly to forehead
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Mar 17, 2020 18:55
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1239938361231585286?s=20 The base eats this sort of poo poo up. God drat I loving loathe republicans
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