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Pook Good Mook posted:Using just American numbers, 20% unemployment is much much much worse for social order and public health than a Covid. good thing the economy isn't real
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NofrikinfuN posted:stupid question, but how much money is available via social security? money isn’t real so pick an amount
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Pook Good Mook posted:I understand that. We cannot keep this up for 10 months. There's going to be more and more events like the people raiding the food truck in Barcelona and the world governments are going to come together and say "gently caress it this isn't worth it." ...like, i thought you were trying to say "so how long will they actually put up with this tanking economy?" which is a reasonable question but then you said the thing about the ripping off the band-aid, which makes me think you DON'T think we should quarantine at all. i don't know what you're saying. also, people raiding the what now?
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Bulgakov posted:don’t worry it’s hp hovercraft u good
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even if it was a tax credit for like, 20k or whatever, since it's a tax credit doesn't that mean it's not even money we'd see until we filed our taxes next year?
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snoo posted:good thing the economy isn't real I like that people are realizing this but the entire society is not "fake number" and if we let everything rot for 24 months it's just suicide.
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Epic High Five posted:even if it was a tax credit for like, 20k or whatever, since it's a tax credit doesn't that mean it's not even money we'd see until we filed our taxes next year? Nope, it's done against a previous year's taxes, even no specific year, and "regardless of tax liability" which is just saying that we have a mechanism to send checks to people, so we'll use that.
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shovelbum posted:I like that people are realizing this but the entire society is not "fake number" and if we let everything rot for 24 months it's just suicide. yeah maybe the government should be functional and able to handle catastrophic situations
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I personally am betting "negative and only the doctor could give me results and he hasn't been into the office" to win, but also "they hosed up and lost the sample" and "they didn't have my name right on the sample because they saw me in the parking lot" to show
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tz0UYno7BA
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Paramemetic posted:I personally am betting "negative and only the doctor could give me results and he hasn't been into the office" to win, but also "they hosed up and lost the sample" and "they didn't have my name right on the sample because they saw me in the parking lot" to show You got the rona
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lmao the hospital ships when they parked Comfort off of Puerto Rico after the hurricane, no civilians were allowed on board
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pathetic little tramp posted:10,000 dollars for all + clearing 25k in credit card debt would be a great start. Can those of us who paid their credit card off every month for the past 20 years get $35k cash then? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Eat This Glob posted:my wife is bringing three pairs of scrubs to work every shift in case they're forced to shelter in place at the hospital Nuke plants are working plans for shelter in place for essential staff two weeks at a time
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shovelbum posted:I like that people are realizing this but the entire society is not "fake number" and if we let everything rot for 24 months it's just suicide. china is already reopening major factories and their infection rates are leveling off
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mod sassinator posted:Can those of us who paid their credit card off every month for the past 20 years get $35k cash then? Lol no shut the gently caress up
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can you imagine the chaos and poo poo that will be hitting the fan when/if the panama canal closes down because everyone is too sick to work it?
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mod sassinator posted:Can those of us who paid their credit card off every month for the past 20 years get $35k cash then? load those fuckin cards up in the time between it being announced and the relief comin in you dummy
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someone just sent me their cover of this song for me to give them advice on their track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgUgNXTYIVc loving crucial, man
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snoo posted:good thing the economy isn't real that too. you can tell Number to go gently caress itself, i do not care about Number we've been bailing out the "farmers" for billions, right? then i guess they owe us. have the government drop a fuckin' sack of corn on my stoop every month and i'll stay home until this poo poo isn't murdering everyone. how the govt gets us from here to there is their problem.
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Marx Headroom posted:china is already reopening major factories and their infection rates are leveling off Yeah and they didn't "lockdown until vaccine" so we have to assume the whole place will be Italy-tier in a month if it's not already + being covered up.
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mod sassinator posted:Can those of us who paid their credit card off every month for the past 20 years get $35k cash then? if I say yes, will you agree to it or will you still be mad that people aren’t getting hosed as hard? *questions to ask boomers*
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slopJoe 2020330 posted:...like, i thought you were trying to say "so how long will they actually put up with this tanking economy?" which is a reasonable question From a few pages back: https://twitter.com/ConflictsW/stat...genumber%3D1454 I guess my point is a combination of your first two sentences. People will not do this for 10 months or more. Everyone intuitively knows this. This disease just frankly isn't bad enough for people to do that. And governments are going to just stop bothering when events like the one above become more and more commonplace. And it's just a fact that a higher jobless rate means worse nutrition, worse housing, worse health, and a protracted 20% unemployment will kill or harm far more people than a mass outbreak of the virus. So what is the actual goal of this. People will stop cooperating in a month if the goal continues to be "flattening the curve" with a disease everyone knows we won't be able to get rid of.
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lol if you have a credit card. grow up
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mod sassinator posted:Can those of us who paid their credit card off every month for the past 20 years get $35k cash then? "If I don't need money can I get extra money" is a pretty good summary of capitalism.
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Salt Fish posted:Nope, it's done against a previous year's taxes, even no specific year, and "regardless of tax liability" which is just saying that we have a mechanism to send checks to people, so we'll use that. no offense but what tf does this mean. is it literally just sending checks to people regardless of their taxes? if not, how do your taxes come into play? and if it is just literally sending checks to people why can't they say that?
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Trying to reconcile "lockdown until vaccine is the only way" with "china is reopening factories" which you can confirm is true because if you order stuff from China it actually comes again
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shovelbum posted:Yeah and they didn't "lockdown until vaccine" so we have to assume the whole place will be Italy-tier in a month if it's not already + being covered up. https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1239936951823843328 its not clear that you can't manage this with contract tracing and targeted lockdowns as long as you're devoting the necessary resources to it the goal is to get past Italy and land in SK, where we can manage at 80-90% function until targeted therapeutics/vaccines become prevalent.
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Sharkie posted:no offense but what tf does this mean. is it literally just sending checks to people regardless of their taxes? if not, how do your taxes come into play? and if it is just literally sending checks to people why can't they say that? I don't make the rules, I just follow them when its convenient for me.
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One thing I realized after having a kid was how many people rely on their parents to assist in childcare. poo poo's gonna get real interesting post-COVID for those who'd been relying on boomers to watch their kids.
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Pook Good Mook posted:a protracted 20% unemployment will kill or harm far more people than a mass outbreak of the virus. It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism
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Sharkie posted:no offense but what tf does this mean. is it literally just sending checks to people regardless of their taxes? if not, how do your taxes come into play? and if it is just literally sending checks to people why can't they say that? Part of the reason the IRS does it is because they have everyone's up to date address and can ensure the check is going to someone who pays taxes already so they know how much to write the check for (assuming they means test it, which, ugh).
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Paramemetic posted:Called MD's office again, told them I'm waiting for results still, they said they'll "put in a message and they'll call you today" if you had it they would have contacted you by now
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mod sassinator posted:Can those of us who paid their credit card off every month for the past 20 years get $35k cash then? maybe if you tried being a little more responsible with your money you wouldnt be in this situation and you'd deserve the 35k
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Salt Fish posted:Nope, it's done against a previous year's taxes, even no specific year, and "regardless of tax liability" which is just saying that we have a mechanism to send checks to people, so we'll use that. Yeah you do it as a fully refundable tax credit because the IRS can already send a check to every American very easily. Political framing could be better but that's the quickest and simplest way to just give everyone cash today.
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brugroffil posted:unbelievably terrible leadership Goons claiming that Trump wasn't running to the left of democrats because there was some means testing. Lmao the dems are a right wing party and love want even more testing
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to be clear i don't know when the US will be at the point where we can replicate SK style response to this Probably at least a month or two of massive nation wide quarantines + tons of deaths at minimum
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Marx Headroom posted:It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism From 2011: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3070776/
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