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Who is your first pick in the deputy leadership race?
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R. Allin-Khan 6 1.60%
R. Burgon 80 21.33%
D. Butler 72 19.20%
A. Rayner 35 9.33%
I. Murray 5 1.33%
P. Flaps 177 47.20%
Total: 375 votes
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Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



think of it from the trades side. if you think after you're clear you can go back to work, do you believe you can freely work in an infected person's house? do you then go onto the next job as you would a month ago? you're still carrying the virus on clothing, tools, etc just not actively creating it in your body.

the airborne and temperature resistance of this virus creates a ton of trouble in the post-peak slow recovery of a country. the models of boom-bust cycles are the most realistic if we get past the obsession with an effective vaccine being deployed globally within a year.

the social upheaval and proactive measures countries are deploying are going to be hard to put back in the bottle and return to pure capitalism anytime soon. with everyone forced online we're at a tipping point for global politics, where it tips depends on who has the ear of the public

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Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



bump_fn posted:

how is weed not legal on this stupid island yet

is it even legalised in scotland

no because what if a trans person gets some

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

bump_fn posted:

how is weed not legal on this stupid island yet

is it even legalised in scotland
Police in Derbyshire, Durham, and some parts of Wales have effectively decriminalized simple possession, but no.

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


Prince John posted:

Not posting to contradict you, but interesting that the NHS advice very much does not reflect this:

Yeah. If you look at various reports it does mention that longer term viral shedding is pretty well documented but not universal and that it is unclear if it can lead to transmission:
e.g. https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/COVID-19-Discharge-criteria.pdf

quote:

Prolonged viral shedding from nasopharyngeal aspirates–up to at least 24 days after symptom onset–was reported among COVID-19 patients in Singapore [2]. Researchers from Germany also reported prolonged viral shedding with high sputum viral load after recovery in a convalescent patient [3]. They acknowledge, however, that viability of SARS-CoV-2 detected by qRT-PCR in this patient has not been proven by viral culture. Prolonged virus shedding has been observed among convalescent children after mild infections, in respiratory tract samples (22 days) and faeces (between two weeks and more than one month) [4]. A shift from positive oral swab samplesduring early infection to positive rectal swab samples during late infection was observed on Chinese patients; the authors raised concerns about the fact that COVID-19 patients were discharged from hospital on the basis of negative oral swabs [5].

Researchers from China report that in upper respiratory specimens, the pattern of viral nucleic acid shedding in SARS-CoV-2-infected patients resembles that of patients with influenza; appears to be different from the pattern seen in patients infected with SARS-CoV-1[6].

ECDC comment: Although the oral-faecal route does not appear to be a driver of transmission, its significance remains to be determined. Discharged patients should be advised to strictly follow personal hygiene precautions in order to protect household contacts. This applies to all convalescing patients, but particularly to convalescent children.

The NHS advice might not be wrong but it does depend on your level of caution/paranoia.

Munin fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Mar 19, 2020

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Ms Adequate posted:

no because what if a trans person gets some

I heard it lets you shoot gay rays from your eyeballs.

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
:siren: The UKMT Solidarity Fund is now live! :siren:

This has taken way longer than it was ever meant to (for various reasons as Rarity has already explained), but the pandemic and the current dire straits faced by many workers have finally galvanised us to Get Brexit UKMTSF Done.
  • Our draft constitution can be found here. If you care, please peruse it and feed back - it pretty much follows the suggestions that fell out of the first meeting back in December, so there shouldn't be any huge surprises, but I'm not a lawyer so there are probably holes to be picked in it. I'll leave a day or two for discussion before we adopt it and officially become an unincorporated association.

  • Due to the coronavirus making it unwise to travel around and meet up in person, the Fund's bank account is currently a temporary one held solely by the account holder (IrvingWashington, aka Bill Drummond on Discord). In due course we plan to move to a clubs and societies bank account with at least two signatories for added security, so we won't be offended if people prefer to hold off donating until that happens.

  • The limit on total donations to the Fund via PayPal is currently £2500 a year. We'll be insanely surprised and pleased if we get close to hitting this, but just to be on the safe side, donations via bank transfer are preferable.

Now the actual details - Guavanaut if you could add this info to the OP that would be super awesome:

:siren: How to Donate Funds: :siren: Paypal - https://paypal.me/ukmtsolidarity OR Bank Transfer - PM IrvingWashington (aka Bill Drummond on Discord) for account details
:siren: How to Apply for Funds: :siren: Fill in the Google Form OR PM a committee member on forum or Discord: AceClown, Fargle (discord only), Maugrim, Oscar Diggs or Rarity.

Thanks folks - hoping this will really help some comrades in need.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




If anyone wants a distraction from the apocalypse noted transphobe Suzanne Moore is drunk on Twitter and burning bridges:

https://twitter.com/DrRobertZands/status/1240422679896784896?s=20

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


blunt posted:

I genuinely wonder if a bunch of us have already had this recently. I spent two weeks with a persistent cough and intermittent shortness of breath that just cleared up last week, before that my brother-in-law had a really gnarly flu and i know a bunch of people my age (early thirties) with similar stories over the last ~6 weeks. I'm hiding from the world though because who knows...


I've had a lot of family have similar stuff, so either they already had it or theres some other fucker around too.

quote:

Hopefully the anti-body test comes through soon. Am I right in assuming that once you've had it and recovered you're basically fine to rejoin society?

Unfortunately not at the moment, unless its been proven in the last couple of days there is no guarantee of immunity. You almost certainly become resistant but not guaranteed immune.
Additionally as someone said I think, the infectious period seems to be a whole month in some people.
The Wuhan study I was looking at (which was genuinely chilling) said "viral shed" finished by a median of 20 days and a max of 40. I think that means the time you are spewing virus out of your mouth, but smarter goons correct me if they know.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

They keep dropping Irish Reunification hints again.

Maugrim posted:

:siren: The UKMT Solidarity Fund is now live! :siren:

:siren: How to Donate Funds: :siren: Paypal - https://paypal.me/ukmtsolidarity OR Bank Transfer - PM IrvingWashington (aka Bill Drummond on Discord) for account details
:siren: How to Apply for Funds: :siren: Fill in the Google Form OR PM a committee member on forum or Discord: AceClown, Fargle (discord only), Maugrim, Oscar Diggs or Rarity.
Added!

Necrothatcher posted:

If anyone wants a distraction from the apocalypse noted transphobe Suzanne Moore is drunk on Twitter and burning bridges:

https://twitter.com/DrRobertZands/status/1240422679896784896?s=20
https://twitter.com/suzanne_moore/status/1240426500333191171

I think she's had enough nore than enough gin.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Is half the guardian staff gonna re-enact the shining in their flats at this rate?

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
40 tube stations to close from Friday (I presume they mean after the end of Thursday evening services).
Waterloo & City line to close and no overnight service.
Fewer buses but night buses to provide night transport for critical workers.



https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2020/march/planned-services-to-support-london-s-critical-workers

quote:

Planned services to support London’s critical workers
18 March 2020
TfL to run a reduced service to enable London's critical workers to make essential journeys
"London will get through these extraordinarily challenging times, and ensuring the capital's critical workers can move around the city will be crucial "
Sadiq Khan
The Mayor of London
From this Friday, there will be no Waterloo & City line.
Until further notice, on Friday and Saturday nights there will be no all-night 'Night Tube' service or the all-night 'Night Overground' service that currently runs on the East London line. This is to ensure the resilience of the regular Tube and Overground services. Late services on both the Tube and Overground will continue to run for essential journeys.
London buses will operate fewer services, but TfL's extensive night bus network will continue to provide critical workers with a reliable night option on Friday and Saturday nights and throughout the week.
Everyone urged not to use public transport for anything other than essential journeys
Following the Government's advice to stop non-essential social contact, the Mayor of London has asked Transport for London (TfL) to make a number of changes to services to ensure a safe and reliable service to enable London's critical workers who need to make essential journeys. The Mayor of London and TfL are urging all other customers to follow the Government's advice and not make anything but essential journeys.

From tomorrow, up to 40 London Underground (LU) stations that do not interchange with other lines will be closed until further notice. Anyone who needs to make essential journeys should check https://www.tfl.gov.uk for live travel updates before they travel.

From this Friday morning (20 March), there will be no service on the Waterloo & City line. On Friday and Saturday nights there will be no all-night 'Night Tube' service or the all-night 'Night Overground' service that currently runs on the East London line. Available staff will be redeployed to ensure the resilience of the regular Tube and Overground services. Late services on the Tube and Overground will continue to run, with trains running late into the night on all days for essential travel only.

From Monday 23 March, TfL will gradually reduce the frequency of other services across the TfL network to provide a service for critical workers to get to where they need to - ensuring that remaining services are not overcrowded. TfL is aiming to run Tube trains every 4 minutes in Zone 1, with the possibility that this will reduce further.

Similarly, from next week until further notice, London Overground, TfL Rail, the DLR and London Trams will run fewer services.

On the bus network, from Monday 23 March until further notice, a service similar to a Saturday will run. TfL's extensive night bus network will continue, to provide critical workers with a reliable night option.
Following the decision to close many schools completely, TfL will review which school buses should still run and which should be amended at a later date.

Although these are the services TfL plans to run, if fewer staff are available further measures may be needed. TfL is working closely with the Government and other agencies and keeping all services under review.

London's Transport Commissioner, Mike Brown MVO, said:

'The advice from Government is clear - people should now only be making journeys that are absolutely essential. We and our staff are doing everything we can to ensure that people who need to make essential journeys can continue to do so.

'To make sure we can do that there will be a number of changes to the services we provide, including suspending the Night Tube and Night Overground, suspending the Waterloo & City line and closing some stations to ensure we can staff key locations. Night bus services still continue to run so that people making critical journeys can get to where they need to at all times.

'Everyone should follow the advice of Public Health England to ensure they are doing everything they can to stay safe and limit the spread of the virus.'

The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, said:

'People should not be travelling, by any means, unless they really, really have to. Londoners should be avoiding social interaction unless absolutely necessary, and that means they should be avoiding using the transport network unless absolutely necessary.

'London will get through these extraordinarily challenging times, and ensuring the capital's critical workers can move around the city will be crucial.

'Frontline staff across our health and care service - as well as those ensuring Londoners stay safe and can access food and other essentials - should be commended for their hard work. We owe it to them to do whatever we can to help them do their jobs effectively.

'I'm urging Londoners to only use public transport for essential journeys. Everyone should follow this and the other advice to help keep themselves and each other safe.'

Fewer Santander Cycle hubs will be open in central London. To see available Santander Cycle Hubs, visit https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/cycling/santander-cycles/find-a-docking-station?intcmp=2321 or download the Santander Cycle app.

Cycle route maps can be found here: https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/cycle?intcmp=40402

Walking times between Rail and Tube stations can be found here: https://www.tfl.gov.uk/walking.

Customers are asked to please check before they travel and allow more time, re-planning their journey if necessary if that journey is absolutely essential.

Notes to editors:

Following the outbreak of coronavirus (COVID-19), we are doing what we can to support customers who are impacted and need to self-isolate or work from home.

While the vast majority of our customers now use pay as you go to travel around London, any customers who have a season ticket loaded onto an Oyster card and require a refund can always contact our Customer Services team on 0343 222 1234.

TfL is also waiving the £5 admin fee when processing refunds for customers who are following government guidance to self-isolate or work from home.

Stations that could be closed tomorrow include the following. Customers are advised to check the TfL website for live updates before they travel:

Bakerloo line

Lambeth North
Regents Park
Warwick Avenue
Kilburn Park
Charing Cross
Central line

Holland Park
Queensway
Lancaster Gate
Chancery Lane
Redbridge
Circle line

Bayswater
Great Portland Street
Barbican
District line

Bow Road
Stepney Green
Mansion House
Temple
St James's Park
Gloucester Road
Jubilee line

Swiss Cottage
St John's Wood
Bermondsey
Southwark
Northern line

Tuffnell Park
Chalk Farm
Mornington Crescent
Goodge Street
Borough
Clapham South
Tooting Bec
South Wimbledon
Hampstead
Piccadilly line

Caledonian Road
Arsenal
Covent Garden
Hyde Park Corner
Bounds Green
Manor House
Victoria line

Pimlico
Blackhorse Road

IrvingWashington
Dec 9, 2007

Shabbat Shalom
Clapping Larry

Guavanaut posted:


They keep dropping Irish Reunification hints again.

Added!

https://twitter.com/suzanne_moore/status/1240426500333191171

I think she's had enough nore than enough gin.

Kinda worried for her toenails

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Prince John posted:

Not posting to contradict you, but interesting that the NHS advice very much does not reflect this:

given that most people who do die rally first then die around day 10, this is extremely loving bad advice.

how is the NHS so far behind on this... all stuff laid out in January

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

40 tube stations to close from Friday (I presume they mean after the end of Thursday evening services).
Waterloo & City line to close and no overnight service.
Fewer buses but night buses to provide night transport for critical workers.



https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2020/march/planned-services-to-support-london-s-critical-workers

Doing this without legally forcing businesses to close (absent any way of genuinely restricting service to key workers) is going to cause utter loving chaos.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
Looks like my company made the correct call allowing us to work from home.
We share the same building with a few other companies, and one of them has a confirmed positive who was in the building.
Full place is on lockdown, and its only 1/2 mile from where I live.
poo poo.

I think I will let my beard grow, until the all clear is given.
Anyone in for a beard growing competition?

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Jesus christ by the end of this I was experiencing the exact same sensation of dreadful realisation you get waking up hungover and suddenly remembering sending extremely unfortunate texts to your ex while steaming

She's going to have quite a fun morning!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

happyhippy posted:

Looks like my company made the correct call allowing us to work from home.
We share the same building with a few other companies, and one of them has a confirmed positive who was in the building.
Full place is on lockdown, and its only 1/2 mile from where I live.
poo poo.

I think I will let my beard grow, until the all clear is given.
Anyone in for a beard growing competition?

Sure but I've got a head start :v:

If anyone's bored in quarantine and wants a fairly cheap hobby that will help in constructing your fortress come the revolution, I've been enjoying this series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sei5_9JIms

It's like that stupid show where they find old poo poo from the tip and tart it up to sell to gullible hipsters, except good.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Mar 19, 2020

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

happyhippy posted:

Looks like my company made the correct call allowing us to work from home.
We share the same building with a few other companies, and one of them has a confirmed positive who was in the building.
Full place is on lockdown, and its only 1/2 mile from where I live.
poo poo.

I think I will let my beard grow, until the all clear is given.
Anyone in for a beard growing competition?

This happened with the curfews in Egypt. At first if you broke curfew by half hour or so and were near home ('near' to be individually decided by the army person stopping you at the checkpoint and proportional to the size of tip he got) but after a while, even if you were only half km from home and curfew was only a couple of minutes past, they forced you to park in off-road areas and stay in your cars all night til curfew was over. (Curfew was for some of the time 3pm - 6am!)

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Personally once I'm better I'm gonna clean shave for the first time in like a decade so my mask fits.

I got in real late on a couple p3 masks and it's loving bizzare that I'm more prepared than the NHS is.
Got my mask, swimming goggles, gloves. Now just need to stop eating rear end...

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
to this day I do not understand why anyone would want to eat rear end, I know this makes me a lame old man I know

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


ThomasPaine posted:

to this day I do not understand why anyone would want to eat rear end, I know this makes me a lame old man I know

I'm actually not cool enough to eat rear end :(
It probably feels pretty great but the missus ain't up for it and I don't blame her. I wouldn't either.

FairyNuff
Jan 22, 2012

If you are feeling unwell during out of hours time I'd definitely recommend using 111 online as opposed to calling the very busy phone line. I mean if you get a callback you'll probably still end up waiting a while but less than if you called.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


FairyNuff posted:

If you are feeling unwell during out of hours time I'd definitely recommend using 111 online as opposed to calling the very busy phone line. I mean if you get a callback you'll probably still end up waiting a while but less than if you called.

can you link? i cant find that

Jollity Farm
Apr 23, 2010

Labour MP Lloyd Russell-Moyle has been tested positive for coronavirus

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Eating rear end is loving great, and the inability to do so for the next 6 months at least is among the greatest tragedies of the Covid-19 crisis, second perhaps only to Eurovision being cancelled.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Raises questions about the phrase "tastes like rear end" if eating rear end is loving great.

FairyNuff
Jan 22, 2012

Communist Thoughts posted:

can you link? i cant find that

https://111.nhs.uk/

Should work for most areas.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010


It's really weird how all these asymptomatic MPs are testing positive when only hospital patients are being tested.

Oh wait no, he was tested "on the last day the NHS was doing community testing", like the rest of the MPs who tested positive. His result just took... six days for some reason.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

jabby posted:

It's really weird how all these asymptomatic MPs are testing positive when only hospital patients are being tested.

Oh wait no, he was tested "on the last day the NHS was doing community testing", like the rest of the MPs who tested positive. His result just took... six days for some reason.

I'm all for cynicism on this but tbh it's absolutely right that the parliament of the country is thoroughly tested considering one of their number already came down with it and all of them are potentially exposed - it's a crowded chamber. You absolutely do not want your entire legislative body (with a relatively high average age!) dropping MPs left and right in a time of crisis. Much though I would very much enjoy it if Boris keeled over dead, and much though this guy might be lying about exactly when he was tested to avoid public criticism, it's absolutely right that he was.

They should 100% be community testing though, for a whole pile of reasons.

Coohoolin posted:

Eating rear end is loving great

I don't believe you!

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Mar 19, 2020

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

OwlFancier posted:

Raises questions about the phrase "tastes like rear end" if eating rear end is loving great.
It's less the taste and more the effect it has on the other person, much like going down.

The wonderful thing about it is that it's absolutely gender neutral. We all got rear end.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

ThomasPaine posted:

I'm all for cynicism on this but tbh it's absolutely right that the parliament of the country is thoroughly tested considering one of their number already came down with it and all of them are potentially exposed - it's a crowded chamber. You absolutely do not want your entire legislative body (with a relatively high average age!) dropping MPs left and right in a time of crisis. Much though I would very much enjoy it if Boris keeled over dead, and much though this guy might be lying about exactly when he was tested to avoid public criticism, it's absolutely right that he was.

They should 100% be community testing though, for a whole pile of reasons.

They're hoarding tests for themselves at the expense of frontline medical staff.

There are 650 MPs and 792 Lords, and the entire country has a testing capacity of about 4,000 a day. I don't see any reason why they can't self-isolate if they have symptoms like they're advising the rest of us to do.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Maugrim posted:

:siren: The UKMT Solidarity Fund is now live! :siren:

It pleases me greatly to see this moving ahead! It pleases me less that Paypal deadnames me, but whatever - hope it can help some goons out. :)

Relatedly, eating rear end owns, would recommend.

e; No wait, unrelatedly!

Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Mar 19, 2020

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

jabby posted:

They're hoarding tests for themselves at the expense of frontline medical staff.

There are 650 MPs and 792 Lords, and the entire country has a testing capacity of about 4,000 a day. I don't see any reason why they can't self-isolate if they have symptoms like they're advising the rest of us to do.

Yeah, when you put it like that.

What pisses me off most of all is that you can have private tests done for a few hundred quid. Now I know I'm a raging communist but I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that in this situation all of these should be immediately requisitioned (along with all private hospitals, equipment, and staff)

Bobby Deluxe posted:

It's less the taste and more the effect it has on the other person, much like going down.

The wonderful thing about it is that it's absolutely gender neutral. We all got rear end.

I think I'd feel deeply uncomfortable with a tongue in my rear end

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


ThomasPaine posted:

I think I'd feel deeply uncomfortable with a tongue in my rear end

Same, but supposedly it's a young people thing these days.

One of those, huh, I really AM getting old things.

e: Enough so that BBC reported specific coronavirus guidance about it (you can get it that way even if sex is otherwise not a means of transmission). Thus making it a key political issue.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Mar 19, 2020

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~

Coohoolin posted:

Eating rear end is loving great, and the inability to do so for the next 6 months at least is among the greatest tragedies of the Covid-19 crisis, second perhaps only to Eurovision being cancelled.

Oh poo poo they cancelled Eurovision?

Now I know how the football fans felt...

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
With Britain it's more like how Aston Villa fans feel. Performatively outraged but secretly happy to avoid further humiliation.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
The experience of having my rear end ate is my inspiration for eating rear end.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I would much rather eat other parts of the body for preference.

Just about any part, for that matter.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
It's easier to eat rear end when the person has prolapsed

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

That raises the question of whether that is still, anatomically speaking, the rear end.

Like anus, rectum, glutes etc, these are all specific terms, but we really need to drill down on what constitutes the rear end.

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