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gandlethorpe posted:How can anyone judge the difficulty of the game when all we have available is essentially the tutorial? I'm mostly going by the gameplay video that came out last week. Maybe they were playing on easy but they utterly annihilated every enemy and nuked the boss super quickly without ever needing to heal (even with intentionally failing a boss mechanic to show it off), and that was a much later-game area. It seems weird to me they'd play on easy mode for a gameplay preview video so I was assuming it was normal mode. Maybe they were really, really overleveled? This video, specifically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p29PSJEdjpc Harrow fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Mar 19, 2020 |
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Harrow posted:One thing to note is that there's exactly one team comp that (assuming the spell lists are the same as in the original) can never have a healer: Hawkeye, Riesz, and Angela. I had that party in the latest playthrough of the original but ended up putting Charlotte in the party in this demo so I won't have to buy dozens of Poto oils and swap them out of storage all the time.
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I haven’t gotten there on the demo yet but don’t you get the third party member after full metal hugger (unless your third partner is Charlotte)? Did they change that?
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Calaveron posted:I haven’t gotten there on the demo yet but don’t you get the third party member after full metal hugger (unless your third partner is Charlotte)? Did they change that? You're correct, and this is honestly something I wish they would have been clearer about. You will not get to use your 3rd party member in this demo. (unless you picked Charlotte maybe?) All good though, just means we have a great excuse to play through the demo thrice instead of twice! 
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timp posted:You're correct, and this is honestly something I wish they would have been clearer about. You will not get to use your 3rd party member in this demo. (unless you picked Charlotte maybe?) Yeah if I remember correctly Charlotte joins you in the waterfall cave after you rescue her if she’s your third party member Also I am so glad that there are different weapon models. I love that little detail. Shame that all the armor menu sprites are the same now though
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I am anti-Charlotte.
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Throne of Bhalz posted:I am anti-Chawlowtte. fixed this for you
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Harrow posted:I'm mostly going by the gameplay video that came out last week. Maybe they were playing on easy but they utterly annihilated every enemy and nuked the boss super quickly without ever needing to heal (even with intentionally failing a boss mechanic to show it off), and that was a much later-game area. It seems weird to me they'd play on easy mode for a gameplay preview video so I was assuming it was normal mode. Maybe they were really, really overleveled? They're 3 levels higher than the boss and 7 higher than the mobs. Not necessarily really overleveled, but still significant. I don't think it's necessarily weird to do the game in easy mode if they just want to show off the gameplay. It's very likely not hard mode though, and we don't have enough information to say whether that'll be a challenge or not. Throne of Bhalz posted:I am anti-Charlotte. What's youw pwobwem?
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Calaveron posted:Yeah if I remember correctly Charlotte joins you in the waterfall cave after you rescue her if she’s your third party member That tracks. It’s funny when she’s not your 3rd party member and she’s just begging to join you. Hawkeye was just like “absolutely not” and I lol’ed Another random thought: I like how your party splits up when you get to towns. Makes them all seem more like people with their own plans and preferences and whatnot, and it’s cool when you run into them while exploring random establishments. Oh hey Duran! 
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timp posted:You're correct, and this is honestly something I wish they would have been clearer about. You will not get to use your 3rd party member in this demo. (unless you picked Charlotte maybe?) My party had Charlotte as the third, so I can confirm you do get her in the demo as a third party member. That actually made me forget you don't usually get the third yet. Facehugger seemed much easier than on the original game too, dying before I noticed any eyes popping.
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timp posted:That tracks. It’s funny when she’s not your 3rd party member and she’s just begging to join you. Hawkeye was just like “absolutely not” and I lol’ed I got spooked by Angela when turning a corner in Wendel, because I assumed the "party members disappear inside you" thing happened. Nice touch when I got used to it.
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timp posted:I really like what they did with this track Agree 100%. I have a video game OST playlist, and while there are the usual suspects of WoW, Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy, etc., the game with the most entries on the list is SD3. I'm supremely happy how they handled the music. I became a bit misty eyed during the intro upon first hearing the music. There are so many things to like about the remake. I noticed in the help popup during the loading screens, when they talk about silver and gold goddess statues, that they mention a special goddess statue with further powers. And it's immediately clear which statue they're talking about. I guess you will just be allowed to do the second class change at the Mana Holyland regardless of level (provided you have the correct item). They did say you would be able to get that class change before fighting the Benevodons.
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Did the demo, Angela/Duran, Riesz as third. Thoughts: Oh god the soundtrack. Barney_Gumble_into_my_veins.mp4 To anyone with Angela as main: 2 points in strength training after the first levelup for the +5 str passive, there'll be time to jack up her int later, when she has spells and Apart from that, the training system is a neat extension to the original's level up system, linked abilities look like an interesting idea that'll probably break the game wide open, and I can't wait to rain magical death and destruction on our enemies.
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My current speculation is that there's only 1 item seed now, and upgrading the flower pot will eventually let the item seed reach class change status.
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seiferguy posted:That's how it was in the original, Angela had to slog through the ice with her staff and nothing else. I don't think I ever finished Angela's prologue properly in the original, I'd die quickly and wake up in the next town.
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Allarion posted:My current speculation is that there's only 1 item seed now, and upgrading the flower pot will eventually let the item seed reach class change status. I really like the flower pot leveling up. I also love how they kept those bouncy things in, they just do something else now. I'm super stoked for this game to come out.
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Harrow posted:I'm mostly going by the gameplay video that came out last week. Maybe they were playing on easy but they utterly annihilated every enemy and nuked the boss super quickly without ever needing to heal (even with intentionally failing a boss mechanic to show it off), and that was a much later-game area. It seems weird to me they'd play on easy mode for a gameplay preview video so I was assuming it was normal mode. Maybe they were really, really overleveled? Not sure if they changed the level balancing for the remake, but in the SNES version, I'd usually be in the low level 30s range when going into the God Beast/Benevodon rush. The second class change usually came about midway or 2/3 of the way through fighting them. Level 45 is a bit high for that point, with that in mind. I'd usually be at the final boss around Level 50-51.
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The Demo IS stupidly easy, but it could be a demo thing. Regardless, I think that buying the steam version means there will be difficulty mods coming in soon.
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Arkeus posted:Regardless, I think that buying the steam version means there will be difficulty mods coming in soon. Most of the infrastructure for a genuinely difficult game is already there, too, given that you're strictly limited to whatever you can fit in your item ring while in combat. A mod that did nothing more than up the damage and decrease the individual amount of each item you can hold in the item ring would probably be more than enough. Wyvernil posted:Not sure if they changed the level balancing for the remake, but in the SNES version, I'd usually be in the low level 30s range when going into the God Beast/Benevodon rush. The second class change usually came about midway or 2/3 of the way through fighting them. Judging by the boss levels, it seems like they've shifted around the curve somewhat, probably to accommodate the greater customization inherent with stat ups and the additional class. Zable Fahr is 46 in the original game, but they're 56 in the trailer. Vermain fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Mar 19, 2020 |
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Torrannor posted:Agree 100%. I have a video game OST playlist, and while there are the usual suspects of WoW, Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy, etc., the game with the most entries on the list is SD3. I'm supremely happy how they handled the music. I became a bit misty eyed during the intro upon first hearing the music. Considering Benevodons are something like Lv. 40-50 boss encounters now and the level requirements for class changing hasn't been mucked with (as confirmed by the library in Duran's intro), I do think you're clearly supposed to class change around that time, yeah. It's also possible that they're talking about being able to respec your characters.
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Bruceski posted:I don't think I ever finished Angela's prologue properly in the original, I'd die quickly and wake up in the next town. It's possible by extremely fancy footwork and utilizing your range (or just running past everything), but after a few screens Angela simply collapses from hypothermia and the same thing happens as when you get clobbered by monsters.
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It's going to be funny finding out how things are supposed to look versus how my mind interpreted the sprites. To me, Ludgar was always this bloodhound-faced dude with a glorious lion mane. But it turns out he's pretty, and what I thought were jowls were his pecs.
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I think the one model that hasn't quite translated to my expectations is the werewolf model. They look like a loving Shiba Inus with a muscular wolfman body.
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Yeah, really loving the demo, definitely buying the game on launch.Allarion posted:My current speculation is that there's only 1 item seed now, and upgrading the flower pot will eventually let the item seed reach class change status. I actually got a Silver Item Seed from... somewhere... on my second playthrough of the demo. I can only assume an enemy in Angela's starting area dropped it, because I had it in Jadd and didn't notice where I got it.
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From what I've heard, ??? seeds can be found in Treasure Chests so I'd suspect you're going to find them once you get to around the Mana Sanctuary or directly thereafter on normal playthroughs.
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Folt The Bolt posted:From what I've heard, ??? seeds can be found in Treasure Chests so I'd suspect you're going to find them once you get to around the Mana Sanctuary or directly thereafter on normal playthroughs. Are they still going to have gacha / RNG methods to get the item you need?
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I finally finished the demo, doing a Duran/Angela playthrough. It was pretty fun! If nothing else, I'm glad they made it worthwhile to explore areas for treasure chests and dropped items scattered throughout the world, even in settlements. Before you just explored and fought enemies because you needed to level grind, but it feels a lot nicer now. I'll be for sure trying out the different characters later.
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As a dirty pc player who can’t get a demo, how does Duran play? He was always the most boring physical attacker in the original.
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Roobanguy posted:As a dirty pc player who can’t get a demo, how does Duran play? He was always the most boring physical attacker in the original. You can get a demo on steam though...? I’ve played as Hawkeye and Duran and I liked how strong Duran’s single sword swings felt compared to Hawk’s double knives
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Rofl, I had realized the different main characters rotated saying the title on the title screen, but "Twails of Mana" still took me off guard.
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gandlethorpe posted:Rofl, I had realized the different main characters rotated saying the title on the title screen, but "Twails of Mana" still took me off guard. I was misty-eyed after the incredible opening, and then that was the one I got for my first playthrough. I just busted out laughing
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It's real loving weird hearing the official localized names and how they're pronounced against my memories from the fan translation twenty year ago. Edit: the real purpose of the demo is to figure out whose running animation is too obnoxious to be the lead. YggiDee fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Mar 20, 2020 |
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timp posted:You can get a demo on steam though...? oh poo poo, when i looked yesterday i didn't see the download.
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YggiDee posted:It's real loving weird hearing the official localized names and how they're pronounced against my memories from the fan translation twenty year ago. I'm probably going to be saying "Hawk," "Lise," and "Carlie" for the rest of my life
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YggiDee posted:Edit: the real purpose of the demo is to figure out whose running animation is too obnoxious to be the lead. In the trailer it looks like some of Angela's costumes get an upskirt.
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What the gently caress is Lumina's voice, I love it.
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Lumina reminded me of SF4 DeeJay thumbs up from me
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DoubleDonut posted:I'm probably going to be saying "Hawk," "Lise," and "Carlie" for the rest of my life They can call God-Beasts whatever they want but they're still God-Beasts.
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Of all the things that didn't get retranslated, I'm surprised Astoria is the same. I always thought the fan translators were just fans of Astoria, Oregon
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