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justcola posted:My NHS pal says there's still no guidance, and though they've said operations are cancelled they haven't actually told hospitals yet so he's still amputating necrotic limbs and taking out gall bladders and the like. There's also divisions growing within the hospital of staff going out and about to get free McDonald's and post on social media and those that have been working 14 hour shifts and still not sure what's going on. Although they all think the surgical staff will be going to help CV19 patients, nothing has happened yet. How is a surgeon going to help with coronavirus? Very small scalpels to cut the viruses up?
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Per what I’ve heard from acute trust friends, surgical will be given a ‘Rona 101 leaflet and a manual for Great British Budget Ventilators and told to crack on
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Mar 20, 2020 14:09
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Communist Thoughts posted:i've seen a few non-crank sources suggesting this might not be the case or at least not only be the case. quote:Complications included acute respiratory distress syndrome (12 [29%]), RNAaemia (six [15%]), acute cardiac injury (five [12%]) and secondary infection (four [10%]). 13 (32%) patients were admitted to an ICU and six (15%) died. Compared with non-ICU patients, ICU patients had higher plasma levels of IL2, IL7, IL10, GSCF, IP10, MCP1, MIP1A, and TNFα. Also from a less public source doi:10.1001/jama.2020.1585 that you may have access (or  ) to.quote:Common complications among the 138 patients included shock(12 [8.7%]), ARDS (27 [19.6%]), arrhythmia (23 [16.7%]), and acute cardiac injury (10 [7.2%]). Patients who received care in the ICU were more likely to have one of these complications than non-ICU patients. I've only skimmed both so idk if they've shown causation or whether it was all from existing comorbidity or side effects of the treatment, but it's happening. I remember a source saying people were getting myocarditis a couple of weeks after 'recovering' but I can't find it. Shogi posted:The potential changes to the Mental Health Act being floated certainly run counter to the recommendations put forward by the (recent!) independent review of the MHA. Ideally we are supposed to be helping people exercise autonomy wherever practical. Though staffing is inevitably going to be low and we need to keep people safe, I’d be concerned about changes becoming a new norm. The changes to sections 35 and 36 are also quite ‘interesting’ given they could potentially funnel you into the mental health system for the crime of being outdoors while infected, on the advice of way less professionals than we use now. They're going to use this to push a bunch of bullshit new powers that do precisely gently caress all to stop a pandemic and everything to stop people publicly complaining about the government that did nothing during a pandemic.
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Mar 20, 2020 14:11
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At this trying time, Bandcamp have waived their (already not huge) fees for 24 hours for artists on there. Lot of bands are losing out on tours & that's a massive revenue source for them. Combine that with the general thrill of new tunes, if you can afford it it'd be a swell time to maybe find some new favourite bands. Anyway, I am doing a Twitter thread with recommendations from last year & it won't appeal to everyone but maybe you find something you like https://twitter.com/forkboy84/status/1240973073005887491?s=20 Worth saying that the Bandcamp website is running slow under the demand so I hope that's a good sign.
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Mar 20, 2020 14:12
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https://twitter.com/markdistef/status/1240986685850206210?s=21 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1240982622144167938?s=21 Top-tier pandemic comms strategy, amazing.
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Mar 20, 2020 14:15
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I mean that would explain why journalists might be considered key workers how else is the government meant to tell people what it's planning to do and why, if not through a series of anonymous briefings to their favourite lobby hacks?
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Mar 20, 2020 14:18
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learnincurve posted:
I've spoken to tories, and heard similar from others, that are somehow realising right now that the tory party gives no gently caress about the british people. They're not happy. They're apparently not many if approval numbers are to be believed but this is sitting quite awkwardly with small c conservatives and general common sense nationalist types
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Mar 20, 2020 14:19
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Guavanaut posted:I've only skimmed both so idk if they've shown causation or whether it was all from existing comorbidity or side effects of the treatment, but it's happening. Could it be that the pneumonia kills first, and treating that just means one of the others gets a go? Also I know pneumonia (and infection in general) puts a big strain on the heart, so it might just be activating underlying problems.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/markdistef/status/1240986685850206210?s=21 Need to butter up some egos so they don’t realise they’re involved
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XMNN posted:I mean that would explain why journalists might be considered key workers On the one hand this is of course bollocks but it's not like the journalists are going to call them out on it, especially if they get to consider themselves VALIANT WARRIORS AGAINST THE VIRUS. On the other, this strategy would seem to be a fairly solid way of improving the survival rates of the perma-online (especially when those casuals on Facebook are still all telling themselves that it's a hoax) which might have some interesting electoral effects down the line, let's not make too much fuss about it.
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Mar 20, 2020 14:23
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Spangly A posted:I've spoken to tories, and heard similar from others, that are somehow realising right now that the tory party gives no gently caress about the british people. They're not happy. i do think the tune will change once they or people they care about start getting it and realise how loving rough it is, but there are already attempts to scapegoat labour and the MSM rather than boris, so that anger could go either way.
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Mar 20, 2020 14:31
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Spangly A posted:I've spoken to tories, and heard similar from others, that are somehow realising right now that the tory party gives no gently caress about the british people. They're not happy. I said this over Brexit, the moment Waitrose stores and Ocado/Sainsbury’s home delivery is effected the combined wroth of the middle classes and rich people will be dreadful to behold. One liberal twat in his early 30s is currently bitching at riverford about how unfair it is and what about loyal customers. When like, all they did was cut you down to one veg box per person so way more people could have one dude.
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Mar 20, 2020 14:34
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Tesseraction posted:Sorry I'm a little behind on thread news, have you two both tested positive for covid19? No community testing so who knows, but it's definitely not anything else I've ever had and matches what I've seen reported for milder (read: not seriously ill) cases of it.
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Mar 20, 2020 14:35
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Communist Thoughts posted:i do think the tune will change once they or people they care about start getting it and realise how loving rough it is, but there are already attempts to scapegoat labour and the MSM rather than boris, so that anger could go either way. the yank right pivoted from "this isnt real" to "chinese bioweapon for the democratic party also we're strasserites now" within a very short time of the CPAC+aipac+bolso thing I have bad news about the rationality of already credulous people during any major international crisis that breaks your normalcy bias
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Mar 20, 2020 14:36
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I've just nipped out to my local shops because despite my best planning, I had run out of Marmite and such a thing cannot be allowed to stand. The local shops are a bit busier than normal (no bread) and there still seems to be a lot of traffic about in my bit of Hemel Hempstead, so the whole 'stay the gently caress indoors' line doesn't seem to have sunk in here. The local cafe run by a top Kosovan lad is still open, "I ain't making no money but I ain't closing mate". He was always really supportive when I nipped in for a drink or a bite when I'd been canvassing or leafleting for the Labour party locally so I went and got a takeaway coffee. Probs got the 'roni now.
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Mar 20, 2020 14:38
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I would kind of suggest that in a normal, sane, non-British setting certain sections of journalists are definitely key personnel.
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Mar 20, 2020 14:38
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The quality of information and advice would probably go up it all the journalists in the UK were fired at the moon
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Mar 20, 2020 14:41
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Communist Thoughts posted:The quality of information and advice would probably go up it all the journalists in the UK were fired at the moon Don't even get me started on the moon
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Mar 20, 2020 14:43
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learnincurve posted:I said this over Brexit, the moment Waitrose stores and Ocado/Sainsbury’s home delivery is effected the combined wroth of the middle classes and rich people will be dreadful to behold. it's really weird to watch political recombination play out this fast. The right develop international message discipline quite soon after the US decides the message in the best of times, we're probably watching a massive opportunity to develop a new consensus slip away from us while hoping the fash don't get thir poo poo rolling. I mean I feel politically reinvigorated at least, it's sure as hell made apparent that our media must be destroyed first before we can do much else, and there's community work to do. And when this is over we'll have demonstrated that the climate crisis is an immediately solveable problem at a time where massive state intervention on employment will be an obvious self-preservation measure for pretty much every government
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Mar 20, 2020 14:44
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Hmm, I've just received an email that (in a very roundabout way) very strongly suggests that the Powers That Be expect us to be back to normal (as in no travel restrictions or social distancing) by June at the latest. While obviously this is a fair bit further out than they're publicly admitting to it's also much closer in than seems to be the consensus ITT, so I'm really not sure what to make of it.
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Mar 20, 2020 14:50
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Things won't be normal for a year at least.
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Mar 20, 2020 14:54
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keep punching joe posted:Things won't be normal for a year at least. There's normal and then there's normal though. Like, if most people can get back to work and see their friends that'd be pretty loving good.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Mother's quite impressed with the dinners delivery to my surprise! But one of the 10 dinners was leaking so I said throw it out. I have emailed the company and suggested that they could donate a replacement to a food bank or something near where they are rather than send a replacement out. My wife works for a company that sends out meals, it's been a busy week. They're going to run out of food.
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Mar 20, 2020 14:59
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Updated on the schools thing I posted last night: quantity schools are being given very wide discretion to tell parents to gently caress off and look after their kids, so the situation is looking a lot better than it was 24 hours ago. In worse news I'm seeing a lot of panic buying being blamed on "organised groups of Asian men". So there is a conspiracy theory that Al Qaeda is hoarding our pure English toilet paper which is inevitably to going to lead to some hate crimes.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Hmm, I've just received an email that (in a very roundabout way) very strongly suggests that the Powers That Be expect us to be back to normal (as in no travel restrictions or social distancing) by June at the latest. While obviously this is a fair bit further out than they're publicly admitting to it's also much closer in than seems to be the consensus ITT, so I'm really not sure what to make of it. June is the earliest that this first wave could die down, and some semblance of normalcy might return through the summer, but until there is a vaccine there will be waves after that -- almost certainly multiple over the next 18 months.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Hmm, I've just received an email that (in a very roundabout way) very strongly suggests that the Powers That Be expect us to be back to normal (as in no travel restrictions or social distancing) by June at the latest. While obviously this is a fair bit further out than they're publicly admitting to it's also much closer in than seems to be the consensus ITT, so I'm really not sure what to make of it. If the combination quinolones work anywhere near as well as those french hospitals are claiming then maybe? even if they don't get close to the high 90s cure rate, if it's not a large fluke then there'll be something extremely valuable there that makes this a bit less about waiting for a vaccine ofc with millions infected and a sample size in 3 figures for a disease that targets a heavily segregated population group, it would be a bit stupid to assume it's not a fluke. It'd also be lazy and easy so we'll be doing that. a pipe smoking dog posted:So there is a conspiracy theory that Al Qaeda is hoarding our pure English toilet paper which is inevitably to going to lead to some hate crimes. Al Qaeda are out there securing a future for muslims and their children, one face covering at a time. they've planned this for centuries!!!!
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Mar 20, 2020 15:01
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In some personal good news, I just got my hernia surgery before everything inevitably gets cancelled, so that's one problem out of the way. Stings like a bitch, unsurprisingly, but I get two weeks of playing videogames before working from home anyway, so I couldn't have timed it much better. 
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Mar 20, 2020 15:06
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a pipe smoking dog posted:In worse news I'm seeing a lot of panic buying being blamed on "organised groups of Asian men". So there is a conspiracy theory that Al Qaeda is hoarding our pure English toilet paper which is inevitably to going to lead to some hate crimes.
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Mar 20, 2020 15:07
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biglads posted:I've just nipped out to my local shops because despite my best planning, I had run out of Marmite... Probs got the 'roni now. Like 90% of the people who seem the most-worried seem to be finding any excuse to pop out for frivolous things right now. And 90% of them end up complaining about the crowds and how crazy everyone else is acting. World is doomed.
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Mar 20, 2020 15:08
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OwlFancier posted:How is a surgeon going to help with coronavirus? Very small scalpels to cut the viruses up? Transplant the lungs of young people into pensioners, human resources left untapped might cause a catastrophe amongst cyborg billionaires. It seems the only people who aren't key workers are those that work in arts and culture hey.
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Mar 20, 2020 15:09
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got beef at the butchers and a buddy picked me up some eggs from a petrol station shop so i finally had a fried breakfast also i'm a 'key worker' because i do deliveroo.
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Mar 20, 2020 15:26
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hemale in pain posted:also i'm a 'key worker' because i do deliveroo. New thread title.
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Mar 20, 2020 15:31
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hemale in pain posted:got beef at the butchers and a buddy picked me up some eggs from a petrol station shop so i finally had a fried breakfast Technically the same, as fudge making counts as ‘good production’.
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Mar 20, 2020 15:39
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I assume that it's going to start getting a lot worse over the next month or so, hitting a peak sometime around my Birthday in late May and then getting weirder after that.
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Mar 20, 2020 15:40
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We’ve had no new deaths in Scotland, but a 100% increase of new cases. 
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Mar 20, 2020 15:46
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I feel sorry for all the children of the key workers. They have to keep going to school while their mates stay home and play fortnite or whatever it is the youth do these days.
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Mar 20, 2020 15:48
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Updated on the schools thing I posted last night: quantity schools are being given very wide discretion to tell parents to gently caress off and look after their kids, so the situation is looking a lot better than it was 24 hours ago. Surely Al Qaeda use bidet hoses? Meanwhile, just been to our Community Hub (formerly known as the library) to bag a couple of rolls of the yellow bags our council use to collect nappy-type waste. If people in this block of flats start shoving wet wipes (including so called 'flushables') and kitchen towel down the bogs it'll block the drains and I'm on the ground floor. So I thought if I got a couple of rolls of the yellow bags and put a note up about wipes etc shouldn't go down the bogs and here's a yellow bag for that, it might help a bit! I did face an inquisition at the library! Shopping report: No bog roll in Waitrose or Home Bargains. About 12 cartons of long life milk in Waitrose, fresh milk in both. Waitrose still haven't covered up their open selection of bread rolls so people can touch them and cough all over them. (I did email Waitrose about this but to no avail obviously). None of my favourite icecream. No nescafe (yeah I know, wall) coffee in 200g jars, only really expensive stuff. Even the fresh fruit and veg looking sparse now. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Mar 20, 2020 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Hmm, I've just received an email that (in a very roundabout way) very strongly suggests that the Powers That Be expect us to be back to normal (as in no travel restrictions or social distancing) by June at the latest. While obviously this is a fair bit further out than they're publicly admitting to it's also much closer in than seems to be the consensus ITT, so I'm really not sure what to make of it. yeah june 2021 seems about right
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smiling giraffe posted:I feel sorry for all the children of the key workers. They have to keep going to school while their mates stay home and play fortnite or whatever it is the youth do these days. My sister just got my 61 year old diabetic mother to look after her children next week while she works at the hospital because apparently the children found it boring to be in school/kingergarten when others are home. Im not pleased.
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