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Who is your first pick in the deputy leadership race?
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R. Allin-Khan 6 1.60%
R. Burgon 80 21.33%
D. Butler 72 19.20%
A. Rayner 35 9.33%
I. Murray 5 1.33%
P. Flaps 177 47.20%
Total: 375 votes
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Fumble
Sep 4, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 15 days!
I gave my neighbour about a 3rd of my toilet roll today because when i asked if she needed anything thing she said she was down to 4 rolls (she has 2 kids)

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Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
A couple of months ago, my mother was mocking my brexit stash of canned veg and meat/fish.
Just 3 weeks ago, my brother in law was mocking my brexit stash of various essentials.
NOW who's laughing? They had to drive 20 miles today to get a chicken.

But seriously, one of my friends is a divorced, single mother with 7 kids and they all have complex health needs. Some of the kids are teenage boys and we know how they hoover up food. She is in some distress over the limits the supermarkets are imposing on purchases let alone that the shops don't have stuff in them.

My physio is closed for the duration and my hip and leg are in agony if I walk more than 100m else I would offer to go get stuff for her (she lives about 30 mins walk away - an hour's walking).

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Mar 20, 2020

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

CoolCab posted:

good luck with first party nintendo games. i'm very happy if i can get it for under 40 (but then you can resell after so it's kind of a wash)
Yeah, that's surprisingly expensive.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

to be fair, you could wheel out a 20 foot high pile of dogshit which just screams "YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE" and it would look good instead of our PM
What is Biden up to at the moment?

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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NotJustANumber99 posted:

Only pc game I've got close to paying that for was a goon recommended disco Elysium which was so poo poo I stopped playing after about 10 mins. I paid quite a lot for the cowboy game on Xbox but also didn't hear from the lass I bought it for for ages so worth it.

Absolutely the worst loving take.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

to be fair, you could wheel out a 20 foot high pile of dogshit which just screams "YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE" and it would look good instead of our PM

I don't recall it being that tall, op

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Ms Adequate posted:

Right that's it you've gone too far, trolling or no, I'm calling for 99 to be Pissflaps'd.

...i really didn't like it either...

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Friend just said she thinks online gambling debts could be a big problem in a prolonged shutdown and maybe the government should either ban the ads for the duration or impose a maximum loss limit?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
otoh without any sports on, online gambling is reduced to this kind of tier games but less fun and they cost money.

Sharing that site would probably do more to help stop people playing lovely video roulette.

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

TACD posted:

I think that might be the thin silver lining to all this, though; the fact that it’s the Tories instituting ‘hard-left’ policies shows that they’re necessary, they’re workable, and there’s no magic free-market capitalist alternative in times of crisis. They’re desperately building a life raft so the country doesn’t completely collapse and it makes it much easier to present the argument that we’d be more resilient and better off if these policies were just standard.

Labour/the left need to really get on the ball with this, and the message that these are (broadly) their policies, their ideas and their principles. And that, however much they do or don't work out this year, they are infinitely better than the capitalist alternative.

They've got a similar opportunity to what they had in WW2 - implementation of socialist-y policies in a time of crisis, showing how they're feasible and how they work, and then getting people saying "Well why can't we just have this all the time?" And it's like a lot of Labour's universal/cooperative ideas at the last GE; once people have something it's harder to take it away. When things get back to normal, the conversation needs to be "Why can't we always get 80% salary for three months after a job loss. We could afford it when the economy was crashing and thousands of people were losing their jobs in the space of a week, so why not now?"

Lord Ludikrous
Jun 7, 2008

Enjoy your tea...

Well it looks like I’m a key worker. Nice to feel needed I guess.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


RLB has actually been tweeting some decent stuff, but all the replies are people telling her to not talk britane down

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Friend just said she thinks online gambling debts could be a big problem in a prolonged shutdown and maybe the government should either ban the ads for the duration or impose a maximum loss limit?

You think they're going to restrict one of the only things stopping the Almighty Number dropping even further?

In all seriousness I think your friend is right. I have in the past had some (minor) problems with gambling, and I've been consciously keeping off Betfair because between boredom and nothing scratching the (non-gambling) itch that football normally satisfies for me, I know the shiny casino games would have a pretty strong pull.

(I have been playing the poo poo out of Poker Night 2, which makes a pretty good gambling replacement patch to help stave the cravings)

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

otoh without any sports on, online gambling is reduced to this kind of tier games but less fun and they cost money.

Sharing that site would probably do more to help stop people playing lovely video roulette.

When the bookies across the road from my local closed down, they got in three new fruit machines which I'm fairly sure take in more than they ever make from booze.

Gambling addiction - particularly in people who have nothing to distract them - is a massively real problem. See also prisoners, professional footballers, and the entire global financial system.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Friend just said she thinks online gambling debts could be a big problem in a prolonged shutdown and maybe the government should either ban the ads for the duration or impose a maximum loss limit?

I've been getting literally nothing but ads for these scum on Facebook. Checked my interests and "Online Casino" and "Gambling" had been added even though I've never used a gambling site. So Facebook are almost certainly taking bungs from the digital roulette fuckers to push the adverts.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
I don't gamble for reasons that were originally religious and as such it's super foreign and strange to me. like smoking, it seems like one of those things that's only fun once you've already let your dopamine pathways be rewritten.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

BalloonFish posted:

Labour/the left need to really get on the ball with this, and the message that these are (broadly) their policies, their ideas and their principles. And that, however much they do or don't work out this year, they are infinitely better than the capitalist alternative.

They've got a similar opportunity to what they had in WW2 - implementation of socialist-y policies in a time of crisis, showing how they're feasible and how they work, and then getting people saying "Well why can't we just have this all the time?" And it's like a lot of Labour's universal/cooperative ideas at the last GE; once people have something it's harder to take it away. When things get back to normal, the conversation needs to be "Why can't we always get 80% salary for three months after a job loss. We could afford it when the economy was crashing and thousands of people were losing their jobs in the space of a week, so why not now?"

"Because we *couldn't* afford it, but the government had no choice but to borrow in the short term to stop the whole economy from imploding. Now back in your box, Corbin lost!" or something.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

When the bookies across the road from my local closed down, they got in three new fruit machines which I'm fairly sure take in more than they ever make from booze.

Gambling addiction - particularly in people who have nothing to distract them - is a massively real problem. See also prisoners, professional footballers, and the entire global financial system.
The ones that seem to target themselves more to men (betting on sports and horses and live Namibian ostrich racing, gambling/quizzing in physical locations like pubs) will probably take a hammering from this.

The ones that seem to target themselves more to women, like tablet apps for loud bingo/'casino' games, will probably gain.

I don't doubt that the ones that are hurting will become more predatory, you'll probably see a bunch of poker sites target marketing to men 1518+ to 60 and other poo poo, but that's all the more reason to inoculate with cardgames dot io. the site where you can play rummy and whist with Bill during lockdown.

I'm not on commission or anything, I promise.

cardgames dot io

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
I wouldn't be too hopeful about people taking away the right lessons from what's happening at the moment. The BBC news website's comments sections always provide a reliable dip stick into the collective mind of the British general public :stare:

quote:

1611. Posted byNick Selbyon
27 minutes ago
Seems that if many young people continue to disregard advice, the fact they’ll have to wait until they’re 80 for a state pension because of this government support, is a perfectly reasonable price to pay!

quote:

1649. Posted bykaton
12 minutes ago
So goverment are spending billions of pounds covering buisiness and wages but end of the day when it's all over who is going to pay it back to the goverment it will be the tax payers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51977802

Still, it's good for a laugh sometimes

quote:

1664. Posted byJakerisbackon
Just now
Those who flagrantly hoard should have their photographs taken then have them enlarged for all the public to see & know the next time they come into the supermarket also the press should get a hold of them & put them on the front pages doing a few per edition. And if possible people should ring in & name & shame them. That should soon stop the practice & let the rest of us shop properly in peace.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Those who flagrantly hoard should have their photographs taken then have them enlarged for all the public to see & put on the money and stamps.

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum
It's going to be sunny as hell this weekend so I'm going to spend all of it outside in the forest on my bike practicing some excellent social distancing.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded
Put some 'if anyone needs groceries or needs to talk' notes through doors today, all that's happened is an old man called me saying I need to shave and ladies like a nice smooth jaw.

We talked for like half an hour and it was based, I'm not gonna shave from it but so far reaching out to help others has paid off love that mad old fucker.

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost
Hearing rumours that H&M, Ikea and some others are gonna shut their stores effective a few hours ago or something

Dunno but wouldn't be surprised if poo poo is just now starting to hit the fan properly... too loving late but oh well

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

jaete posted:

Hearing rumours that H&M, Ikea and some others are gonna shut their stores effective a few hours ago or something

Dunno but wouldn't be surprised if poo poo is just now starting to hit the fan properly... too loving late but oh well
Ikea closed indefinitely at 6 today - we nipped in just beforehand to get a cheap desk so we can both work from home.

It makes sense though, if kids of all non-essential workers are at home then every parent you employ can no longer come in to work.

Goldskull
Feb 20, 2011

Who's the main Mod on the UKMT? I want to ask permission on selling prints (to help me) and also it donates to charity (to help my girlfriends's Mum who has motor neurone disease)

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back
those who built their TP forts up sensibly, over time - should be praised and encouraged

those who panic buy TP, desperately assembling a groverfort while denying others the ability to wipe - they will be dragged into the town square wherein people may speak at length of their faults and hit them with shoes; their TP forts will be reclaimed by the people

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Goldskull posted:

Who's the main Mod on the UKMT? I want to ask permission on selling prints (to help me) and also it donates to charity (to help my girlfriends's Mum who has motor neurone disease)
Hi. Not a mod but I do have thread mod privileges. What are the prints of?

I have no objection to people showcasing their own stuff within reason, especially if it helps people during this time, as long as other people in the thread don't mind.

Disgusting Coward
Feb 17, 2014
From Private Eye, presented without comment:

quote:

PANDEMIC UPDATE: M.D on the best medicine...
Funeral March
From the moment your sperm meets your egg, you join the queue for death. It's nature's way of recyling. You can fall back in the queue by eating your greens or washing your hands, but we all get to the front eventually. Even experts have been known to die. In 2018-2019 there were 541,589 deaths registered in England and Wales, 50,100 more than expected, due to a mixture of cold weather, prologed austerity and seasonal respiratory viruses. As of 15 March, there were 35 deaths from coronavirus; but pandemics grow exponentially and cases could quickly overwhelm the NHS, social care and funeral services, and cause widespread cancellation of treatment for other conditions like cancer and heart disease.
Estimates of how many extra deaths Covid-19 will casue range from 50,000 (i.e similar to 2018-19) to 500,000 (ie a doubling of annual deaths). It all depends on how well we manage the risks. The government's policy is to abandon containment and promote herd immunity, with Public Health England now anticipating the crisis could last a year, infectiong 80 percent of the population and leading to 7.9m people needing hospitalisation. This would likely put the deaths at the upper end of the estimates, and intensive care services would have to be strictly rationed.

Hand-washing: a roaring success
The government's scaling back of community testing has fuelled further uncertainty. One solution comes from Graham Medley, Professor of Infectious Disease Modelling at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. We should all assume we already have the virus and behave as if we're infectious until further notice. Wash your hands and keep your distance from the elderly (unless they need help getting on and off the commode. Then wash your hands again). The hand washing campaign at least has been a roaring success. Early figures suggest it may have delayed the surge of Covid-19, and is likely to have reduced the incidence of seasonal influenza, food poisoning and pubic hair in the Caesar Salad. Alas, 40 percent of the world's population do not have access to the miracle of soap and water in their homes, and that is where the virus will eventually hit hardest. They're used to death - more than 4,000 people a day die from TB and 1,200 from malaria. But because it doesn't crash the economy, hit pension funds and disrupt holiday cruises, it gets virtually no publicity.
For the UK public at large, the risk of a coronavirus death remains low. The predicted range is that out of every 100 random Brits, 99 won't die from Covid-19 this year (worst scenario) to out of every 1000 Brits, 999 won't die from Covid-19 (best scenario). Prime Minister Boris Johnson's "many of you will lose loved ones before their time" speech was hardly Churchillian ("We will lose thousands on the beaches"). Those at highest risk are in their eighties, unsurprising since the average life expectancy in the UK is 80.96 years. Those who die may have died from something else in the not too distant future.
If M.D (58) got seriously ill with Covid-19, I'd join the queue for a ventilator but accept it if a 40 year old jumped ahead of me. That's how rationing in the NHS has always worked. If I make it to 80, I would neither want nor expect to have prolonged intubation on ITU for prolonged respiratory distress. Overtreatment of the seriously ill ofeten just extends suffering. before we all demanded to live forever, pneumonia was known as "the old man's friend" (with a dose of morphine on top).
Experts have been predicting another pandemic for decades, but politicians refused to listen, preferring to run the NHS on near 100 percent bed occupancy, with fewer beds and intensive care facilities than most other countries. Indeed, over the last 30 years, the number of NHS hospital beds has halved. We have not built extra capacity into the system, and we will soon find out if we can.
All eyes will now switch to the overall death figures. The Office for National Statistics provides a weekly tally for those with a strong stomach. The week ending 10 January 2020 was the worst of the year so far, with 14058 deaths. But it's fallen every week since, to 10,816 in the week ending 28 February. Deaths are actually lower this year than the average for each week over the previous five years. I like to think it's the handwashing.

Bingeing on Fear
Many countries have taken much stricter measures than the UK, based on roughly the same evidence, which shows how uncertain the science is. We will only find out who got it right after the event. In the UK, many older people may say "bollocks!" to the 14 weeks of lockdowna and go about what's left of their one wild and precious life. All adults should already have made an advanced care plan (eg via Compassion in Dying) so doctors know in advance whether you want a shot at recovery or end of life care.
M.D works in the world of post-viral fatigue, so is expecting an increase in workload further down the line. Evidence suggests that if you're fearfula nd anxious when and after you contract a virus, it makes the symptoms and long-term sequelae worse. And the UK is currently bingeing on fear.
Down the corridor, my anaesthetic colleagues have started their spike in workload. The Chinese and Italian experience is that staff working in intensive care might be at increased risk of illness and death. This may be because repeated exposure to high doses of the virus from intubation and other intimate procedures takes its toll. It may be that the best protective equipment wasn't available. And it may also be that the stress and fear of working intolerably long hours with a relentless workload of critically ill infectious patients also damages the immune system and makes you more susceptible. By any projection, we're not well equipped to deal with a surge in demand. ITU staff need the best equipment available. And the right to refuse to treat.
GPs and other community carers are doing home visits to people likely to have Covid-19 without any protective equipment at all, or with cut-price garb that looks like they work behind the counters in Greggs. How virus-tight they are remains to be seen, but they are causing much nervous hilarity.

Keep It Up
Laughter is the best medicine - unless of course you have syphilis, in which case it's penicillin. There are no effective drugs for Covid-19 and the best ways to boost your immune system are not the nonsense new age supplements doing the rounds (there's a $200 magic yoghurt pill you can shove up your arse) but laughter and sex. The second drug my GP surgery ran out of (after paracetomol) was Viagra. The best position for reduced transmission and improved lung function is the wheelbarrow. Just don't go past your mum's house. Enjoy your isolation. Look out for others. Try not to fall down the stairs. Don't get caught in a bog-roll scrum (it's the ideal breeding ground for viruses). And remember it's the simple pleasures, not the big scares, that give purpose and meaning to life. Coronavirus may yet tell us to behave in a kinder, gentler, less consumptive way.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



goddamnedtwisto posted:

...i really didn't like it either...

All joking aside, much as I love DE and think it deserves all the praise it gets, I do recognize it may not be for everyone. I certainly had to be in the right mood for it if nothing else.

But the difference is you said you didn't like it, which still leaves open the possibility that you think it's good but not to your taste (Like I am with Animal Crossing and most Zeldas) rather than thinking it's bad (Like NJAN99)!

crispix posted:

I wouldn't be too hopeful about people taking away the right lessons from what's happening at the moment. The BBC news website's comments sections always provide a reliable dip stick into the collective mind of the British general public :stare:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51977802

Still, it's good for a laugh sometimes

Just shamelessly ruining the next Comment or Commentariat!

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


I'm one week into isolation and, my symptoms are mostly gone, gf has a lot more severe symptoms than me though but she's starting to recover. Been playing a ton of video games in between caring for her.

Active Quasar
Feb 22, 2011

Ms Adequate posted:

None of these are enough and none of them are dyed-in-the-wool blood red policies that Lenin would take no issue with. Most of the help comes either with strings attached or still isn't enough. And there's a lot of other stuff going on as well that's not so great, for sure. But ultimately a lot of these, backed up with things like actual rent strikes, homeless siezure of unoccupied properties, and solidarity efforts to do everything from making sure nan isn't too lonely to getting groceries for people on lockdown, all add up to both a shift left and evidence that leftism has a great deal to commend it, as well as being proof positive of unrestrained capitalism's failure/inability to deal with things and the caprice of a system that would otherwise readily turf people out into the streets in a pandemic or bankrupt them for getting treatment or what have you, as well as the more mundane stuff like showing the insistence on not implementing WFH was bollocks. And sure, we'll probably swing back at least some amount the other way once the crisis has passed, but it's going to prime things for the future even if we can't hold all the gains, both in subsequent elections and the next time a big crisis hits us.

This is what needs to be pushed right now or this will all be for nought. It's not enough to sit back and hope. The left needs to organise and get radical and aggressive. We've reached the endgame of late capitalism faster than anyone thought and poo poo is going to get real ugly. They're not just going to let the left take power and they'll have five years to undermine us if we keep at the failed route of electoralism in an owned democracy.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


https://twitter.com/goddersbloom/status/1241095750613905408?s=19

Drone_Fragger
May 9, 2007



gonna fight the coronavirus on the beaches of our 80 year olds lungs

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Thanks to learnincurve for the Morrissons intel! It came good, and sorry you got the roni - hope it's a mild one

Purple Prince
Aug 20, 2011


Just for context I used to live near that hospital and it's one of the worst-performing in London and the country in any case. It's also next to a university campus.

It doesn't surprise me that it's one of the first to be overwhelmed.

Nettle Soup
Jan 30, 2010

Oh, and Jones was there too.

So my friend works for Starbucks. What this tweet from them below means is "we've shut 120 partner owned stores, but franchisees are welcome to stay open"
("her: They closed company owned 120 stores. 760 is still open under franchises ")

And hey, if she gets sick and has to take time off, she gets statutory sick pay, not the 80% salary.

https://twitter.com/StarbucksUK/status/1241108762062204930

They should be loving ashamed of themselves.

https://twitter.com/kirrus/status/1241131956752060417

On top of that, she's not allowed to tweet them herself, as that's a breech of her contract!

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Saving myself the effort of retyping my reply:

https://twitter.com/CouncilCulture/status/1241152595521044482

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
Hey forkboy thanks for the Bandcamp recommendations, I've been having a loud night in as a result. I think your tastes are a bit crustier than what I'd usually listen to but there's some good stuff there!

Goldskull
Feb 20, 2011

Guavanaut posted:

Hi. Not a mod but I do have thread mod privileges. What are the prints of?

I have no objection to people showcasing their own stuff within reason, especially if it helps people during this time, as long as other people in the thread don't mind.

This essentially. I want to to help me , and my girlfriends Mum who has PLS and it donates to the carers who help her
https://twitter.com/Endless_PaulyT/status/1240629058121187332
If everyone's cool with it, no worries, if not I'll edit
Another edit: I have no money coming myselfbecause my trade in artworking is hosed and Rishi Sinak thinks I can manage on UC somehow. I've sold 4 of of these prints and I'll put the shot of my donation tp MNDA up soon

Goldskull fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Mar 21, 2020

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

I know a bloke who really likes skulls, I'll make sure he sees these :skeltal:

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Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

big scary monsters posted:

Hey forkboy thanks for the Bandcamp recommendations, I've been having a loud night in as a result. I think your tastes are a bit crustier than what I'd usually listen to but there's some good stuff there!

Check out the Leaf Library while you're there. They nurdle a lot, but you can get their entire catalogue for about £20 right now if you like it.

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