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Hardawn
Mar 15, 2004

Don't look at the sun, but rather what it illuminates
College Slice

numberoneposter posted:

ive been seeing posts on facebook to act like you are already infected. i need to sit down and figure this out but it seems to me like a reverse prisoners dilemma kind of thing. it really rubs me the wrong way because i work in one of those "essential services" and short of seeing a total halt to society we still need to operate. until new guidelines are figured out on how to conduct "business as usual" how about people who are high risk stay the gently caress away. its crazy enough right now without me having to get anxiety weather im asymptomatic and actually a super spreader.

by the way im loving all the instagram poo poo of people working from home and students off school or just general ingrates who dont have anything better to do and playing it like a party. im healthy and i probably wont show many symptoms but you never know, knock on wood, so im going to be at work as much as i can. im getting all the crazy poo poo right now. im sure people in grocery stores are getting the same thing. nurses and doctors and support staff are doing gods work.

so if you are having a fun loving time self isolating but somehow also with a bunch of friends in a hot tub and drinking all your wine keep it to yourself.

:same:

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Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

numberoneposter posted:

by the way im loving all the instagram poo poo of people working from home and students off school or just general ingrates who dont have anything better to do and playing it like a party. im healthy and i probably wont show many symptoms but you never know, knock on wood, so im going to be at work as much as i can. im getting all the crazy poo poo right now. im sure people in grocery stores are getting the same thing. nurses and doctors and support staff are doing gods work.

so if you are having a fun loving time self isolating but somehow also with a bunch of friends in a hot tub and drinking all your wine keep it to yourself.

Uh yeah no by all means, I want to see people document them being irresponsible selfish pieces of poo poo on the internet, forever.

If you are socializing in the middle of this thing that's exactly not loving self-isolating. That is aggressively assholey behaviour right now.

Norway has instituted a cabin ban which is likely to span over Easter, going to the cabin for Easter is a major norwegian thing and when a right wing government shuts something like that down, you know poo poo is real. Assholes are naturally always complaining and want exceptions, but here's the thing: There are no exceptions. There will be no holiday. There will be self-isolating. There will not be loving helicopters dispatched to come get you and Knut when you're sick as gently caress on some mountain because you just had to go skiing and drinking.

The loving idea of enforced solidarity and showing some goddamned responsibility seems to be loving breaking people's minds. I hate everything about this virus except for the fact that it is forcibly reminding some very high-up people inside the bubble of their wealth and privilege that the actual real world is some very real poo poo and it can wreck you no matter how much money you have or who you think you are.

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe

MarcusSA posted:

They 100% should have closed the airports already. The fact they haven’t is kinda mind blowing.

TSA luggage handlers at JFK tested positive. So yea, they really should have.

Hardawn
Mar 15, 2004

Don't look at the sun, but rather what it illuminates
College Slice
Except with more mentionings of being an American hero and saving lives by getting products to the shelves, dammit! People need to be panic buying entire truckloads so we can make more to sell to the next weirdo who still has enough credit to stretch into the hopeful collapse

And I haven't seen these Instagram pictures, I don't need to.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

MarcusSA posted:

They 100% should have closed the airports already. The fact they haven’t is kinda mind blowing.

Our very special president is at like 60% approval rating so

Hardawn
Mar 15, 2004

Don't look at the sun, but rather what it illuminates
College Slice
Picked up SIL from the airport, infrection status: "I'm the highest in the riom :420: "

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

a hot gujju bhabhi posted:

Sorry but Tei this is utter horseshit and you're a smart guy you should really know better.

1) HTTPS is a thing
2) If they wanted to spy so bad why wouldn't they just inject the JS anyway (I mean other than the glaringly obvious technical inability to do so)? Why would it have to do with cookies and GDPR at all?
3) Forcing companies to explain what they're tracking and why is a good thing and if that annoys a user then that's that user's problem and they're stupid

1) HTTPS is weak to nation states attack
2) This is true. But I still have other reasons to believe they want more JS, to "open the gates".
3) Do not agree with this point. Maybe we are stupid for voting that people in power, but we are not stupid just for using a page that require to accept some conditions. Is how the page is presented to us, and the popup is a wall we have to pass, not very much we can do about it.

All of this is somewhat moot point now, that companies are going to cede cellular location data and whatever the governement may need to help fight people breaking quarantine.

Tei fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Mar 21, 2020

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

Romes128 posted:

TSA luggage handlers at JFK tested positive. So yea, they really should have.

My friend Jim travels for work, and got the virus a couple weeks ago - 'six airports in five days, it was inevitable'.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

The CDC estimates are only so high because idiots don't respect the need for isolation in a pandemic and are spreading this poo poo way way more than is necessary, they don't get that by the time you're in the hospital you've already infected all the friends you shared your bong with and that you really shouldn't squeeze in one more trip to the store today cause you're running low on margarita mix

Lazyhound
Mar 1, 2004

A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous—got me?
Student loan payments to be frozen interest-free in Canada fyi:

quote:

* To support student and apprentice loan borrowers during the COVID-19 pandemic, the Government of Canada has announced its plan to pause the repayment of Canada Student Loans and Canada Apprentice Loans until September 30, 2020, with no accrual of interest. Pending parliamentary approval, these measures will become effective March 30 2020. This will include pre-authorized debits. These measures will provide relief to nearly 1 million CSLP borrowers in repayment. We will provide more details shortly.
* Proposed legislation would temporarily pause the repayment of Canada Student Loans.
* Effective March 30, 2020, all student loan borrowers will automatically have their repayments suspended until September 30, 2020. No payment will be required and interest will not accrue during this time. Students do not need to apply for the repayment pause.
* These measures will provide relief to nearly 1 million CSLP borrowers in repayment.
* Students who are currently studying can continue to apply for Canada Student Loans. There will be no change to the application process. If a borrower wishes to apply for student financial assistance during the pause, they should apply through their Province or Territory of residence.

Not sure if that includes this month or not.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

MarcusSA posted:

They 100% should have closed the airports already. The fact they haven’t is kinda mind blowing.

large_gourd
Jan 17, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Nice piece of fish posted:

Uh yeah no by all means, I want to see people document them being irresponsible selfish pieces of poo poo on the internet, forever.

If you are socializing in the middle of this thing that's exactly not loving self-isolating. That is aggressively assholey behaviour right now.

Norway has instituted a cabin ban which is likely to span over Easter, going to the cabin for Easter is a major norwegian thing and when a right wing government shuts something like that down, you know poo poo is real. Assholes are naturally always complaining and want exceptions, but here's the thing: There are no exceptions. There will be no holiday. There will be self-isolating. There will not be loving helicopters dispatched to come get you and Knut when you're sick as gently caress on some mountain because you just had to go skiing and drinking.

The loving idea of enforced solidarity and showing some goddamned responsibility seems to be loving breaking people's minds. I hate everything about this virus except for the fact that it is forcibly reminding some very high-up people inside the bubble of their wealth and privilege that the actual real world is some very real poo poo and it can wreck you no matter how much money you have or who you think you are.

I don't think an inability to think collectively is something you can divide down these lines. The poorest people who are suffering or about to be suffering from this are also out there acting stupid right now. People from all levels of society are Not Gonna Let Corona Tell Me How To Live My Life. gently caress you got mine permeates everything.

I'm hoping this disaster serves as an inducement to changing that, and people start to feel like it is time to take a hammer to the market based hierarchy.

MarcusSA posted:

They 100% should have closed the airports already. The fact they haven’t is kinda mind blowing.

I haven't looked in detail or anything but I'd assume the reason they didn't is millions of people were travelling around the world and with all the travel disruption happening, they probably haven't been able to get back, and then you've got all the people who were just ignoring the advice to return home early. A decision was probably made to delay full closure of airports after weighing up the costs and risks of having millions of tourists stuck around the world vs a certain level of transmission likely to result.

large_gourd fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Mar 21, 2020

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
UUUUUGH, one of the people I know on Facebook has been posting links to articles about flattening the curve and shutting everything down and limiting non-essential gatherings but today she posted a photo of her Saturday itinerary where she's dropping the kids off to a martial arts class and scouts and several other social events with the comment "So much for self isolation"
The medium-sized country town she lives in has already had one confirmed case of coronavirus. WHAT ARE YOU DOING




Kase Im Licht posted:

I don't think the US and Italy are showing much similarity on that anymore. I think it was always kind of a lame correlation since the match was best when new cases were basically level and you could imagine whatever kind of early stage exponential growth you wanted to. They sort of appear close but if you imagined a smoothed line with a 3 day average or something, they would definitely appear to be on different paths. Could just be some short term divergence due to not much data, but you can say the same thing about the early charts showing how close they were too.


edit: well I hosed up that chart. How the hell do I delete it.



It turns out the US numbers for March 20 weren't finalised when you drew up that graph, it should actually look something like this:

.... so there's been a slight downtick in confirmed COVID-19 deaths in the US for one day instead of the expected exponential increase but as you said, that might be a short term divergence in the data and we won't really know whether the curve is being flattened or whether things are continuing to ramp up until we get a few more day's worth of data. Italy also had a slight downtick at this point.

The cumulative graph looks like this:

So that's a slight easing off but it's still not looking great.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Tei posted:

1) HTTPS is weak to nation states attack
2) This is true. But I still have other reasons to believe they want more JS, to "open the gates".
3) Do not agree with this point. Maybe we are stupid for voting that people in power, but we are not stupid just for using a page that require to accept some conditions. Is how the page is presented to us, and the popup is a wall we have to pass, not very much we can do about it.

All of this is somewhat moot point now, that companies are going to cede cellular location data and whatever the governement may need to help fight people breaking quarantine.

I work for a company which does GDPR and CCPA all day every day, up to and including talking to the lawmakers and lobbyists who got this done, and I can tell you that every single one of the problems behind GDPR and CCPA stem from the fact that almost every single lawmaker's understanding of technology is that of your 80-year-old grandpa, including, for some loving reason, the 30yo lawmakers. Lawyers don't touch the computers well.

There are lots of possible non-idiot regulations but they require the lawmakers to know something about computers so it won't happen

Tips about being really loving annoying while requesting GDPR poo poo now that they give you the right to request they do random poo poo w/ your data

1. Avoid asking for access or deletion, those are automatable pretty straightforwardly. Go hipster, ask for portability of data or other poo poo
2. Demand verification of identity. Refuse to use verification methods provided. It's not actually clear yet whether you have to use the verification methods provided
3. CCPA request? Call. That was in the regulations until like a month ago and they're fighting over it, see if they have a nonfucked process for this one

There's demands for recognizance of the requests, so if you don't get them yell at them on twitter

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Mar 21, 2020

vandalism
Aug 4, 2003
does a show like SNL work without an audience? how avant garde would that be... SNL with no live audience

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

My family is on lockdown, one grocery trip per week at most, no gym, no restaurants, nothing. I got talked into no preschool for the preschooler next month, probably longer, we can make do without it. People talking about making beer runs and going to the gym or a party or any social gathering at all are simply getting people killed in the long run. Stop meeting up with your friends. Stop going out for nonessential nonsense. Stay the gently caress home.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

vandalism posted:

does a show like SNL work without an audience? how avant garde would that be... SNL with no live audience

John Oliver did the latest episode of Last Week Tonight without a studio audience and it was weeeeird. The jokes felt real awkward without the audience responding to them.

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

bob dobbs is dead posted:

Tips about being really loving annoying while requesting GDPR poo poo now that they give you the right to request they do random poo poo w/ your data

1. Avoid asking for access or deletion, those are automatable pretty straightforwardly. Go hipster, ask for portability of data or other poo poo
2. Demand verification of identity. Refuse to use verification methods provided. It's not actually clear yet whether you have to use the verification methods provided
3. CCPA request? Call. That was in the regulations until like a month ago and they're fighting over it, see if they have a nonfucked process for this one

Thanks, I will consider these the next time I get a unrequested call from a company I don't have business with.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
the most important thing they should've done for gdpr is not listen to the tech major lobbyists trying to encode into law the stuff that the tech majors were doing and had automated already, in order to punch out their competition in europe

i mean, the tech majors in turn hosed it up themselves because nobody wants to be on the gdpr team, they wanna be on growth for fb, search for goog, etc but whatever

toggle
Nov 7, 2005

WaltherFeng posted:

Im gonna be so ripped by the time this pandemic is over

don't you mean r.i.p'd :D

Untrustable
Mar 17, 2009





An empty casino with all the machines turned off is loving creepy. I didn't know they were gonna turn off all the machines. I was told it will save us a ton in electricity so that workers can continue to be paid. Either way it's fuckin creepy. My employees are reporting strange noises. I told them it's probably noises they've never heard because they were covered by the constant noise of slot machines...but really I think it's ghosts.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Snowglobe of Doom posted:

John Oliver did the latest episode of Last Week Tonight without a studio audience and it was weeeeird. The jokes felt real awkward without the audience responding to them.

revenge of the laugh track

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Tei posted:

Thanks, I will consider these the next time I get a unrequested call from a company I don't have business with.

there will be an intake form for these dealios for most cases. look at the form. if they look suspiciously like this:

https://www.oracle.com/legal/data-privacy-inquiry-form.html

then that means that they are a customer of OneTrust, the biggest dealio in the space. OneTrust furiously claims to its customers that it automates poo poo, but it automates nothing, basically, it automates the sending of emails to people who own the data to dump it w/ sql or whatever and send it off. that probably means that a data request to one of those peeps will cost them like half a grand in lawyer time.

there are multiple OneTrust customers which can't finish gdpr requests in the 30 days that the law gives you because they're so hosed. it's a pretty ideal bad-faith target

every tech major, by contrast, is fully and actually automated. i've been trying to figure out ways to get them to spend lawyer time on me and make me unprofitable to them

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Mar 21, 2020

mike12345
Jul 14, 2008

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."





vandalism posted:

does a show like SNL work without an audience? how avant garde would that be... SNL with no live audience

so you're telling me there were real people laughing at those poo poo jokes?

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Working from home horror stories:

My project manager arranged for a "quick" Skype meeting which consisted of two hours of him and a graphic designer discussing pixel-level placements for UI elements and specific wording for button labels on a project where half the features aren't done and the rest are buggier than a loving straw mattress.

I muted my microphone and played Doom.

At the end of the meeting he says he wants to start having them every other day now so we can "keep the momentum going". What loving momentum?

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

http://conferencecall.biz has never been more relevant than now

Dell_Zincht
Nov 5, 2003



Professorjuggalo posted:

Back to hornychat what’s the reason for this sudden uptick?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXYW7kZP6jc

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Untrustable posted:

An empty casino with all the machines turned off is loving creepy. I didn't know they were gonna turn off all the machines. I was told it will save us a ton in electricity so that workers can continue to be paid. Either way it's fuckin creepy. My employees are reporting strange noises. I told them it's probably noises they've never heard because they were covered by the constant noise of slot machines...but really I think it's ghosts.

The casino here in Melbourne finally had its social distancing exemption revoked and will be closing its main gaming floor, but its smaller gaming rooms will stay open
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/crown-casino-stripped-of-social-distancing-exemption-20200321-p54ciy.html

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

Tei posted:

1) HTTPS is weak to nation states attack

How? Be explicit in how they would bypass https. Bear in mind you're claiming this is something they're doing on every site across the web.

putin is a cunt fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Mar 21, 2020

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

a hot gujju bhabhi posted:

How? Be explicit in how they would bypass https.

cops show up to the cert authority, say "ok do this this and this and shut the gently caress up about it"

thats the rub, with cert authorities

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

bob dobbs is dead posted:

cops show up to the cert authority, say "ok do this this and this and shut the gently caress up about it"

thats the rub, with cert authorities

What is "this and this and this" that would suddenly make certs across the entire web valid?

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
loling @ the idea that javascript wasn't 100% ubiquitous before GDPR.

And if you control a cert authority, you can create valid certificates for domains not under your control. Of course, if the EU were to do this it would be noticed pretty quickly.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

a hot gujju bhabhi posted:

What is "this and this and this" that would suddenly make certs across the entire web valid?

well, presumably you're using https to keep poo poo you want encrypted in transit, encrypted

the cops show up at the ca for the cert for the site that you're using, say, "give us a fake cert for this site and shut the gently caress up about it", they do, and now they mitm you

doesn't work w/ pinned certs but i bet you could do something about that

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
oh yeah, this actually did happen w the diginotar peeps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiNotar

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

Lambert posted:

loling @ the idea that javascript wasn't 100% ubiquitous before GDPR.

And if you control a cert authority, you can create valid certificates for domains not under your control. Of course, if the EU were to do this it would be noticed pretty quickly.

Yeah exactly. But then what. So we're supposed to believe that the EU has compromised the cert authorities and have manually trusted their own certs for every single GDPR site on the internet and are now injecting their own JavaScript into every page in order to track it but somehow this also requires that the page already have JavaScript on it somewhere because [...] so let's introduce a pop up to force companies to introduce JavaScript. And this makes sense to Tei, an apparently sentient human.

Oh and somehow this has gone completely undetected despite the fact any even remotely tech savvy civilian could have spotted this in seconds.

I know this seems like a derail and I apologise, but conspiratorial poo poo really shouldn't be here in this thread.

putin is a cunt fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Mar 21, 2020

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

bob dobbs is dead posted:

oh yeah, this actually did happen w the diginotar peeps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiNotar

Yes obviously for a nation state to do it with one site is possible and even realistic. But that's not what I said. (And not what Tei suggested).

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
yeah, javascriptification was materially finished by like 2007ish for the really high-amount-of-computer-peeps sites, 2010 for the rest of the web

generally one of the material things they could've gotten w/ the gdpr but didnt was the plain absolute turbofuck uselessness of any legal consent whatsoever on the internet. they could have legally binding e-signatures signing away peeps firstborn to indentured servitude and peeps would click in to post on facebook. average privacy policy gets written more than it's read

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

bob dobbs is dead posted:

generally one of the material things they could've gotten w/ the gdpr but didnt was the plain absolute turbofuck uselessness of any legal consent whatsoever on the internet. they could have legally binding e-signatures signing away peeps firstborn to indentured servitude and peeps would click in to post on facebook. average privacy policy gets written more than it's read

Yeah definitely this is actually a much more legitimate concern. The more innocuous popups people are shown the more likely they are to click through important ones without reading. But I would still contend that in this case that's not the intention of the GDPR stuff.

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost
Adding some info to the pile about chloroquin, Belgian pop star Stromae took some during a trip to Congo and it caused him a psychotic break and he almost stopped his career since because it broke his brain.

And that's a very rich person with access to the best doctors.

So yeah, Trump is an idiot

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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

a hot gujju bhabhi posted:

Yeah definitely this is actually a much more legitimate concern. The more innocuous popups people are shown the more likely they are to click through important ones without reading. But I would still contend that in this case that's not the intention of the GDPR stuff.

this is what i mean by the technical incompetence: this should also inform peeps' intentions. the data breaches are not happening from not getting the documents and poo poo together, they stem from an approach to programming and a worldview towards the data subject which is conducted almost entirely in bad faith and with an attitude towards testing and change management that would kill people if it were allowed to deal with stuff that could kill people

like how soc2 deals with papershuffling because that is what soc2 people can do, not because it helps security in any way shape or form

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